Maker Pro
Maker Pro

Why is electronics so complicated?

S

Sylvia Else

For that matter, why doesn't God just rain manna down from heaven, so
none of us has to do anything?

He will, just as soon as we discover the correct way of praying for it.
Why isn't electricity free?

See above.

Sylvia.
 
J

Jamie

Tim said:
-- snip --

Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.
While we're on this subject, why don't women (and men, for that matter)
come with instruction manuals?

Why don't my elected officials pay their own way, so I don't have to pay
taxes?

For that matter, why doesn't God just rain manna down from heaven, so
none of us has to do anything?

Why do I have to learn to read?

Why, if China attacks the US, will my sons get drafted?

Why isn't electricity free?

Why do my joints ache in the winter (and summer).

Etc.
Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.

Jamie
 
W

WhySoSerious?

Who implied "all" parts needed to be the same? Obviously not possible.

Learn how to read, you retarded ****. The OP stated "essentially" the
same. Now, I know that since you completely missed that bit, that you
have serious reading skill issues, but "essentially" really isn't that
big a word, and if you are having problems with it, you should likely
stay the **** out of Usenet, because you are going to get your ass
reamed, idiot.
Granted, with specialization, this ideal becomes less relevant.

Even less so, since it was not what was said, you retarded POS.
But
what about the rest of the field? The foundations, so to speak, that
set the tone for this discipline.

How would a retarded **** like you even know what a tone is?
I am referring to more "basic" applications, and there are far too
many to mention,

Especially for a skull cavity devoid ditz like you.
that could benefit from a periodic consolidation of
both design and componentry.

This group get periodic stupid posts by dumbfucks like you.
IMHO there is a tipping point



Especially since you cannot even fucking read, nor remember what it was
that YOU wrote previously.

You're a real prize. Now FOAD.
beyond which choice and redundancy costs
disproportionately more. If you don't believe it, take the misses into
a store that sells specialty bathroom fittings :)

Yeah... I am sure that there is a store for retarded twits like you as
well.
Elsewhere, this type of cost may be better hidden, beneath a veneer of
complacency.

Or as it is in your case, a full on dipped cladding of utter stupidity.
 
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TheGlimmerMan

blue is for metal film. 1% is the brown band spaced differently at one
end.

Bullshit. Light blue was chosen, and then adopted by nearly all the
makers because it renders the stripes the most readable. It also shows
heat damage by discoloration better.

There are NO other reasons.

Blue is NOT "for metal film"
 
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TheGlimmerMan

With the computers we have now, there is no consequence to
bad software, it all runs the same.

You're about as far off the mark as someone claiming to have an
education in the field can possibly get.

You are not a computer scientist or an electrical engineer. Hell, you
would **** up qualifying as a layman.

You are one of those guys that stands around with your thumb up your
ass acting like you belong to the group. Yet half of the CRAP that
issues from your MOUTH is so fucking immature and bogus, that you should
be drummed out of the industry and never be allowed near it again.

If we did more of that to dweeby dumbfucks like you, we would have a
better free world. Instead, we have to endure stupid, uneducated,
uninformed, asinine cracks from assholes like you that claim to know
about things, but obviously knows nothing, as evidenced by the fucking
crack.

Idiots like YOU are the reason why kids today are not getting educated.
I sure hope you don't have any that you are raising to be just as utterly
fucking stupid as you are. That's all society needs. More dumbfucks
expounding total bullshit as fact.
 
T

TheGlimmerMan

It's cheaper. Burning a brownish lettering into a black plastic chip
costs less than silk screen printing.

Chips were NEVER "silk screen printed". Not ever... not once.

Any ink you ever saw on a chip was stamped there by a rubber impression
device either rolling wheel or flat stamp.

It was not so much about cost as it was about permanence.

Initially, they began using unique injection mold dies which declared
which shift or production line the chip was made on.

Currently, they can encode far more data onto a chip surface, and know
that it will always be there, unless the chip itself is abraded.
 
T

TheGlimmerMan

It is next to 'A', 'B',
and spelled 'C'.

Hope this helps :)

Is there anything that you post here that does not make you look like
an adolescent dork?
 
J

Jon Kirwan

On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:13:33 -0800, Jon Kirwan

[snip]
Thanks. But while we've been through everything that might
break up people (and far more, since we have two disabled
children, one profoundly autistic and experiencing grand mal
seizures that have broken her arms, smashed out her teeth,
given her 3rd degree burns over largish areas of sensitive
skin, and threatens to kill her every single waking day), we
have found our way and become far stronger and more profound
friends for all that we've been through with each other, too.

Those experiences have shaped us and there is no way anyone
else could ever come anywhere close to having and knowing
what we know without having to say so much as a single word
about it, now. We can just look for a second a each other
and communicate so much. Our focus is no longer on what is
between us, but on what is outside of us -- larger goals
beyond our family and towards helping others.

There is nothing anyone else could ever hope to offer that
would cause me to spend a single second considering losing
all that -- except perhaps some permanent security and love
for my daughter after we die, I suppose. (No contract, no
trust fund amount, can force love and good relationship.) On
that odd score, both my wife and I would simply look at each
other with eyes that say, "yes, go for it you idiot." But we
wouldn't lose what we've gained over the years, either.

It's a powerful feeling to have been through so much and to
have survived everything others go through and far more and
still remain standing and all the stronger for the challenges
experienced. It does give truth to that saw, "what doesn't
kill you makes you stronger."

Jon

Jon, A caution I just encountered. I don't know whether it applies in
your state or not: Here in AZ, when my autistic grandson (soon) turns
18, his parents must apply for guardianship and pay about $2K in
INVESTIGATION and attorney fees to prove they are fit to continue as
guardians :-(

Yes, I spent a fair bit more than that, in fact. And yes,
someone came out to investigate us in detail and her
testimony was provided to the court, at the time. The
investigator said I was fit and that my wife was not. a very
painful and hurtful time for her that still causes her pain
when reminded about it. The investigator simply was a dead
pan, unimaginative stiff who was facing a stand-up comedian
(my wife) and they didn't get along. Nothing more or less.
But the court took her report and ordered me to be the solo
guardian.

My daughter is now 25 and I went through guardianship work 8
years ago. I now have to maintain it, each year, by also
filing long papers with a county judge updating them about
all the significant things during the year and asking that I
be retained for the next year. It will go like that each
year until I either give up, or die, or have her taken from
me.

And by the way, it is only the beginning of lessons ahead.

There are services available for children under 18. Sometimes
for children under 21. But the entire world changes for
adults 21 years old and over -- almost everything disappears
and the supports becomes almost frighteningly poor. There
are strange games one must play, as well. SSI, medicaid,
etc.

If you need an attorney, it's almost impossible to find any
for adults. By definition, adult disabled are indigent and
there is no money available for an attorney to make a life.
Unless they work for the state or county offices or the
federal gov't. So no one in private practice, when you need
one, with any practical experience. You can pay for some
attorney to learn all this stuff, of course. But it will
cost you a lot more, then. (This all comes from long
experience talking with legislators in the senate and house
in my state, plus talking with the director of the DRO which
is a federally funded watchdog program that is present in
each state of the union, plus my making phone calls 8-5, for
two weeks solid, calling (literally) the mothers of attorneys
when they asked me to do so.

Finding a private practice attorney with 1990 ADA experience,
or with the 2008 modification to the 1990 ADA, is like
finding hens' teeth. They don't exist.

Most states would prefer that they simply disappeared from
the world never to be seen or heard from again. And in fact,
that's about what happens. Two statewide long term study
reports, one released from Minnesota in 2007 and one from
here in Oregon in January of 2008, both concluded that --
after abstracting away medically associated causes and
leaving only "affectable quality of care" reasons, that the
median life span was 25 years less than the US population at
large.

You are only at the beginning of the ride, Jim. I wish you
the best here. And I mean it with all my heart.
We need to start killing off government workers.

Well, I have to say that had it NOT been for two of them here
I would have been forced to give up Athena. But other gov't
parties have also been quite a bane, as well. But I don't
believe Athena would be in a better situation than she is
right now, were I to have to depend entirely upon my ability
to handle her situation alone or had to depend upon private
grants. The support we get from gov't sources makes the
difference between whether or not she is with someone who
loves her, or not. And it is being done for less than half
of the marketplace price (we went through crisis procedures
here where a multi-county regional and state group attempts
to find private placement for her and the best price they
could find from private business was more than $15k/month to
care for her.) So taxpayers are getting a fair deal on all
fronts, for now. If we died tomorrow, the costs would more
than double the very next day and for poorer health and
safety and a much worse quality of life, as well.

It took relationships with politicians here, plus their
aides, built over years of time, plus as well the active
support of county workers whom I dearly owe for their help
and support when it counted. I've been lucky. Many are not.

So I've got very mixed feelings. I've spent a year and a
half commuting to our capital city, in meetings with top
state staff positions (the head of the Department of
Education, the head of the Department of Health Services, the
state attorney general, the head of the bureau of labor,
etc.) and I know just how terrible and mean and despicable
gov'ts can be. I used to think like "pollyanna" about my
beloved state. No longer. I know better, now. There is a
lot that is bad here, and a terrible lack of courage and
imagination in gov't workers that is frightening at times.
But there is good, too. Especially down closer to the
trenches where most of us live.

Jon
 
C

Cydrome Leader

Jan Panteltje said:
LOL
That is why NASA has to hire them to get to the spaced-out station.

I'd hire them too if I needed cheap labor to man handle some outdated
space junk too.
I remember little portable Russian TVs, 'Rigonda' in the seventies.
Nice and small, all transistor, easy serviceable,
in the UK, but the UK forced them to put in a large bulky UK made UHF tuner.
I was told that hat was the condition for them to sell in the UK...
I had a good 'commie' flip mirror 35 mm camera too, for very little money,
'Werra' IIRC.

werra would be east german, so it's still commie, but with with upto 1949
german technology.
Put a good lens on it, beautiful.
Things did break down over time though, but same with ipod, pad, Philips TVs.
It is a pity media always make people in US think the Russians had inferior products,

it's a fact too. leftovers from the soviet union really aren't good at
much other than running botnets, financial fraud and digging stuff out of
the ground, sometimes followed by crude refining steps.
it simply is not true, everybody had some bad products.

true. however, communist places tended to have nearly all bad products.
Why the scare of the missiles, and the missile treaties?
And then there is China, now putting out more engineers than the US ever did it seems.

I think you might be confusing lead, coal pollution and adulterated food
products with engineers.
 
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Joerg

TheGlimmerMan said:
Chips were NEVER "silk screen printed". Not ever... not once.

I've seen it done, in a factory. But there is no paste and screeding,
it's blasted through. All it made was a faint hiss, and then another for
cleaning the screen.

[...]
 
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Jon Kirwan

[Lots of good stuff deleted]

Jon Kirwan said:
There is a
lot that is bad here, and a terrible lack of courage and
imagination in gov't workers that is frightening at times.
But there is good, too. Especially down closer to the
trenches where most of us live.

...which is pretty impressive, to me, when AFAIK many of those low-level
workers down in the trenches often make little more than minimum wage.

For the caregivers, it's true they make on the order of
$10/hr. And there is NO FUTURE for them -- no career
providing such services. So you get quite a spectrum of
motivations, most of the sane ones being that the job is very
temporary until they can find something better. Turnover in
Oregon is, depending upon who you talk to and when, on the
order of between 150% to 300% per year. This is a serious
health and safety issue that can only be addressed by
retaining qualified staff and by providing some kind of
career path. That's even less likely today, than yesterday.

Many of the really good ones gravitate towards gov't staff
position work. Good benefits, retirement (PERS), and steady.
You can at least live a life. But those positions often
don't have direct care responsibilities (I don't know of any
that do direct care, in fact), instead acting to guide
agencies which pay those caregivers almost nothing, manage
paperwork, and do the occasional annual review to force
certain double-checks that basic minimums are met. One of
those two I mentioned earlier is in this position and she has
her own medically fragile child (bed-ridden, grand mal
seizures, and multiple disabilities) and I don't even need to
say anything at all to her. We just look for a few seconds
at each other and all the communication has already taken
place. She knows exactly what we go through without a word
said. And she has made a huge difference in our lives.

Some good ones even gravitate into mid-level staff positions
where the pay is decent and the actually do good work from
there. My first contact with one of these was because of a
crisis taking place and she runs the entire county level
program here. She made a huge difference during that time. I
still have (and I will keep forever) a recorded message from
her during the most difficult moments we were going through.
Just to remind me from time to time. The situation could
have become something quite terrible and it didn't, in
significant part because of her personal involvement and
care.

But my experience with those who gravitate to the very top
staff positions, those who get paid more than the Governor
himself (or herself when that happens), is much more spotty
and their concerns (even after 20-30 years of much more
direct service that is respectable) have transitioned because
of all the politics that surrounds every minute of every day.
This is where, especially, there is fear of losing such a
well paid job over some news article, for example. Or where
there is a federal mandate (such as PL 99-457, passed I think
in 1989 and required by the states to be implemented in 1991)
that requires more state spending (matched by fed funds in
some formula) that the legislature is no way going to spend.
When I was traveling to attend a 15-member governor appointed
committee for PL 99-457 here in Oregon, the best estimates by
the DOE and DHS were the costs would be at least $100M per
biennium. No way. They simply asked, "What's the penalty if
we don't do it?" Well, under USC 10-20 (PL 94-142) the
penalties were a loss of $7M per biennium for failure to
comply. That was a no-brainer for the legislature. Join
Mississippi as the only state in the union saying they won't
do it. Easy. So negotiations happened. One of the ideas
was to violate the federal law by not looking at children
until they reached 6 months of age, on the theory that most
children identified as needing services before that are
identified at birth and have serious problems.... a great
many don't survive to reach 6 months of age. So doing a
cutoff at 6 months means a lot of money doesn't get taken to
the grave. Kind of ruthless, but one must draw lines.
However, they weren't going to enter into a public discussion
about it and allow the people of the state to decide what
they were willing to stomach. More, they decided that they
could only pass a maximum of $30M per biennium (negotiated
figure after months of backroom meetings), so the legislature
simply said to DOE and DHS, "You need to come up with a plan
that says $30M per biennium. We don't care how you do it,
that's the number that you have to present. Or it won't
pass." So the agency staff (Karen was head of DOE at the
time) people didn't even bother to find out what services
were needed around the 36 counties in the state or bother to
make any predictions about future needs. They simply cobbled
up a dummy document.

It passed. But then, there wasn't anywhere near enough money
by anyone's better guesses and the pieces were left to be
picked up by those at the bottom who have to provide those
direct services, 1 on 1, day in and day out, and somehow
survive and get by.

It is a god-awful mess. It's no wonder what I see operating
in these homes and the rates of death.

Also, the State leaves death reports in the hands of the
agencies. They don't get copies, nor do they require copies
to be kept. They leave it to the agency policies what
happens. As a result, analyzing the real situations is very
difficult. There are only three pieces (datums) that are
sent to the state and that only started happening recently
(last decade.)
Do you think the shift from Kulongoski back to Kitzhaber is going to make any
difference in your case? Or are the governors at such a high level they
really don't influence this sort of issue one way or the other?

I will be meeting with Kitzhaber this coming year. So I will
know better, then. This is "his baby" in a sense. So maybe
so. But there is so much going on -- the state is "driving
over a cliff" according to Kulongoski's public statement
about four months ago -- that I suspect there are some very
big fish to fry. But I'll see.

Bottom line is that our society (US) is a relatively bad
place to be in, if you are developmentally disabled.
(Probably that includes many other disabilities, too. But I
know this part of it better.) Over and over again I've been
told to move to Europe (and considered it) where in a fair
number of gov'ts there the services are reasonable and median
life spans much longer as a result. The Swiss have an
incredibly good design which keeps what services they do
provide in public view (for example, by providing disability
services in the center area of a regular school that makes it
visible to parents and voters who otherwise would have no
idea what takes place) and this constant vigilence produces
results. In the US, it is "out of sight, out of mind." And
if people die, no one knows or cares and many times it is in
everyone's interests to hide anything that might be untoward.
It rarely makes a news item at all.

I spoke with the associate director of a large operation in
the state who told me that probably 10% of those they care
for see any family member, at all. And then, once a year. Of
those who get a regular visit (more often than once a year is
'regular') it is about 1% of those they serve. So even the
families are out of the picture, by and large.

So why should the public care if the families don't? It's a
question.
That investigator who didn't think your wife was fit does sound like the kind
of government worker that shouldn't be one :-( ; I'm sorry you and your wife
had to go through that. (I was briefly guardian for my stepfather, and there
the investigation was all of filling out some form and a 5-minute phone
interview -- I found it more a formality than anything else.)

The odd thing is that it is a clear fact to me that she is
much better able to keep track of Athena. She is constantly
aware and her mind is always scanning and thinking about, and
anticipating, some possible problem. She asks me to remedy
these when appropriate. But she is the one whose mind seems
to be more fully engaged across the wide spectrum of risks
and I've no doubt in my own mind which of us Athena needs
more to be around her. So it was a complete shock to us that
this lady felt Becky to be sufficiently less able that she
couldn't even add her endorsement. The only thing I can
chalk it up to is that Becky makes light of situations, tells
jokes, puts things in funny ways. It is part of how we cope,
I suppose. But it works and makes having to face the fact
that upon any one day we might find our daughter laying in a
pool of blood, dead, because we just happened to be
distracted for a second and weren't there to catch her during
a seizure at the wrong place and time. Without it, with only
some serious grinding view of life, I'm not sure how we'd
survive and remain sane. But some people are really not very
humorous and take humor about like making a bomb joke would
be taken when at some airport.

Oh, well.

Jon
 
J

Jamie

TheGlimmerMan said:
You're about as far off the mark as someone claiming to have an
education in the field can possibly get.

You are not a computer scientist or an electrical engineer. Hell, you
would **** up qualifying as a layman.

You are one of those guys that stands around with your thumb up your
ass acting like you belong to the group. Yet half of the CRAP that
issues from your MOUTH is so fucking immature and bogus, that you should
be drummed out of the industry and never be allowed near it again.

If we did more of that to dweeby dumbfucks like you, we would have a
better free world. Instead, we have to endure stupid, uneducated,
uninformed, asinine cracks from assholes like you that claim to know
about things, but obviously knows nothing, as evidenced by the fucking
crack.

Idiots like YOU are the reason why kids today are not getting educated.
I sure hope you don't have any that you are raising to be just as utterly
fucking stupid as you are. That's all society needs. More dumbfucks
expounding total bullshit as fact.

My, Such hostilities! ;)


Happy New Year
Jamie
 
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TheGlimmerMan

TheGlimmerMan said:
Chips were NEVER "silk screen printed". Not ever... not once.

I've seen it done, in a factory. But there is no paste and screeding,
it's blasted through. All it made was a faint hiss, and then another for
cleaning the screen.

[...]

That is NOT "silk screen printing".

That is spray over stencil.
 
TheGlimmerMan said:
It's cheaper. Burning a brownish lettering into a black plastic chip
costs less than silk screen printing.

Chips were NEVER "silk screen printed". Not ever... not once.

I've seen it done, in a factory. But there is no paste and screeding,
it's blasted through. All it made was a faint hiss, and then another for
cleaning the screen.

[...]

That is NOT "silk screen printing".

That is spray over stencil.

ROTFL! AlwaysWrong, you're a RIOT!
 
J

Joerg

TheGlimmerMan wrote:
It's cheaper. Burning a brownish lettering into a black plastic chip
costs less than silk screen printing.
Chips were NEVER "silk screen printed". Not ever... not once.

I've seen it done, in a factory. But there is no paste and screeding,
it's blasted through. All it made was a faint hiss, and then another for
cleaning the screen.

[...]
That is NOT "silk screen printing".

That is spray over stencil.

ROTFL! AlwaysWrong, you're a RIOT!


Yeah, I wonder how he's going to injection-print the number "8" via
stencil without the two centers all splotched out :)

Although I'd like it if the numbers were sprayed as on old military ammo
boxes, looks kind of cool.
 
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TheGlimmerMan

TheGlimmerMan wrote:
It's cheaper. Burning a brownish lettering into a black plastic chip
costs less than silk screen printing.

Chips were NEVER "silk screen printed". Not ever... not once.


I've seen it done, in a factory. But there is no paste and screeding,
it's blasted through. All it made was a faint hiss, and then another for
cleaning the screen.

[...]

That is NOT "silk screen printing".

That is spray over stencil.

ROTFL! AlwaysWrong, you're a RIOT!


I find it amusing when a dopey fucktard takes a known acronym and
twists it so blatantly that it shows his utter stupidity before even a
word is spoken. You are one such dopey fucktard.

Spray shot through a screen is STENCIL printing., whether the screen
has a mesh or not. The media is sprayed.

SILK SCREEN printing is where the print media is forced through a
masked screen directly onto the target surface. The media is wiped.

The riot here is that you actually think you had a proper reason to be
laughing, much less doing so while rolling on the floor.

I think your mental age has been progressing backward for about the
last nine years now. You lose three years as each new year passes.

A couple more years and you will be posting mere babbling... wait!
Too late!
 
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TheGlimmerMan

You don't understand governments very well. The US didn't buy a spares
package for the F-16, to keep it's apparent costs down. Whenever they need
spares they're purchased in onesies, sometimes requiring re-tooling.


That must be why we have hundreds of spares on hand (cycling through
the system) for our products. And yes, they are main mission flight line
equipment.

Where the **** do you think the term "Repair Depot" comes from?

Talk about always wrong. You've been spouting off while looking in a
mirror for years now! That dumb crack ranks up in your top ten most
stupid claims LIST.

The only thing in this thread that is a "onesie" is the count of
neurons you have between your ears that actually fire correctly.

Now, go look in the mirror, right as you come back and claim that I am
wrong again.

Aircraft carriers purchase spares in TENsies. And we are talking about
quarter mil pieces too.
 
J

Jamie

TheGlimmerMan said:
TheGlimmerMan wrote:

It's cheaper. Burning a brownish lettering into a black plastic chip
costs less than silk screen printing.

Chips were NEVER "silk screen printed". Not ever... not once.


I've seen it done, in a factory. But there is no paste and screeding,
it's blasted through. All it made was a faint hiss, and then another for
cleaning the screen.

[...]

That is NOT "silk screen printing".

That is spray over stencil.

ROTFL! AlwaysWrong, you're a RIOT!



I find it amusing when a dopey fucktard takes a known acronym and
twists it so blatantly that it shows his utter stupidity before even a
word is spoken. You are one such dopey fucktard.

Spray shot through a screen is STENCIL printing., whether the screen
has a mesh or not. The media is sprayed.

SILK SCREEN printing is where the print media is forced through a
masked screen directly onto the target surface. The media is wiped.

The riot here is that you actually think you had a proper reason to be
laughing, much less doing so while rolling on the floor.

I think your mental age has been progressing backward for about the
last nine years now. You lose three years as each new year passes.

A couple more years and you will be posting mere babbling... wait!
Too late!
I can't say how they were printed in the past but I think this is one
way they are printed now, for some that is. 48 needles on a machine,
making their mark! No ink here..

Maybe this will help


http://www.bio.davidson.edu/Courses/genomics/arrayer.mpg

Jamie

Whenever I fill out an application, in the part that says "In an
emergency, notify," I put "DOCTOR".
 
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Jasen Betts

Bullshit. Light blue was chosen, and then adopted by nearly all the
makers because it renders the stripes the most readable. It also shows
heat damage by discoloration better.

It seems to me to have only been picked up by the makers or metal film
resistors.
Blue is NOT "for metal film"

I've not seen any blue axial inductors or carbon film resistors, but
that doesn't mean they don't exist. can you point me to some
examples?
 
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