Whingeing retail billionaires and the 10% GST

[Rod Speed]

Rob wrote

SG1 wrote

Each and every Labor government has stuffed around with the economy.

We saw hikes in the unemployment rate under the coalition too.

That fool Fraser was actually stupid enough to claim that his best achievement was
to pay child benefits to women, the first time we saw lots of middle class welfare.

Gough started with a 3500b in the coffers and ended up with 3500b in the red.

Thats a lie.

Keating as treasurer increased sales tax to make ends sort of meet.

Another lie.

We were doing nicely thankyou then Rudd said lets spend,

Because the shit hit the fan in the world financial system.

we have savings from the previous mob.

He didnt just spend the savings.

Now they can't make anything work

Thats a lie, they did see the economy work a hell of a lot
better thru the GFC than in any other first world country.

or willing to release full details of their stuffups.

Thats another lie.

Gerry said lets have another hand out so its spent in my stores.

He's always been a terminal fuckwit.

This NBN s,,ts me.

Then do the decent thing and set fire to yourself outside parliament house.

 

[Rod Speed]

SG1 wrote

My how one's perception changes with time.

We'll see...

In the 60s the unemployment rate was 2% and that was classified as FULL employment.

And then we were actually stupid enough to pay fools
the dole even when they werent interested in working.

Then came Gough the destroyer and unemployment will never be 2% again.

How odd that Howard couldnt return it to 2% when he was in for 3 times as long as Witless.

Now full employment is classified as an unemployment rate of 5%.

A full 2 1/2 times what it used to be.

Thank you Labor party idealist shit......

How odd that Howard couldnt return it to 2% when he was in for 3 times as long as Witless.

 

[fritz]

My how one's perception changes with time. In the 60s the unemployment rate was 2% and that was classified as FULL employment.
Then came Gough the destroyer and unemployment will never be 2% again. Now full employment is classified as an unemployment rate
of 5%. A full 2 1/2 times what it used to be. Thank you Labor party idealist shit......

Gough came to power at a time when employment would never be 2% again,
no matter who was in charge.

He did make a university education free for those clever enough, not just
those who could pay enough.

He also eliminated the ridiculous TV license fee, something much of Europe
still hangs on to - to prop up TV stations that cannot compete.

He also led the world in banning tobacco advertising on TV - which has probably
saved thousands of lives. Something only the 'socialists' would have done in
the '70s - the lieberals were happy to see their tobacco industry shares rise
alongside the deaths from tobacco-related causes.

Anyway, the definition of 'employed' has also changed. It used to mean a
full-time job, now it means a few hours a month.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mr.T wrote

As did many countries during the first oil crisis.

And Howard introduced a GST so the poor could pay for tax cuts for the rich.

Thats a lie. The GST goes to the states, doesnt affect federal income tax rates.

And Cheating had tax cuts for the rich anyway.

And reduced services and infrastructure spending,
and privatised everything to make ends meet.

Corse Cheating never ever privatised anything at all, eh ?

Now we are gong to spend more than we got for the sale of Telstra, to provide the
infrastructure that Telstra once provided at a PROFIT to the government/taxpayer.

Not once its flogged off again we aint.

What an amazing cock up that decsion was, nearly as bad as privatising
public transport and continuing to pay MORE in taxpayer funds for it's
infrastructure than we did when the government owned it. :-(

No one ever has private industry build public transport, stupid.

 

[SG1]

Benway (original non-Zionist) wrote




Odd that the Dud gave up on it.

He did, though the solar rebate still applies,
but the Carbon bullshit still raises its head from time to time from
Gillard.
AKA "Price on Carbon"

The Dud reduced the rebate, while I was waiting for my install from $8K to
$7.5K. Check what it is now....

 

[Mr.T]

And Howard introduced a GST so the poor could pay for tax cuts for the
rich.

Thats a lie. The GST goes to the states, doesnt affect federal income tax

rates.

So you think those tax cuts introduced by Howard at the same time were just
co-incidence?
And the reduction in grants from the Feds to the states was another
co-incidence?
What drugs are you on?

And Cheating had tax cuts for the rich anyway.

Yep, they all do, Rudd did however introduce tax cuts for the poor after 10
years of the Libs charging income tax on people earning less than the
dole!!!! AND introducing a GST to make them even worse off of course.

Corse Cheating never ever privatised anything at all, eh ?

Yep, as I said, they all do. They are ALL bastards!

government/taxpayer.

Not once its flogged off again we aint.

We will NEVER make a profit on the NBN, AND they will sell it at a loss.

No one ever has private industry build public transport, stupid.

IF that were so, why privatise it then? You are wrong though of course.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

A lot of the lounge suites etc that HN they stock are Australian
Made.

That's about all, and only because shipping costs allow them to compete with
imported ones.
Actually a few Fridges are still made here for the same reason.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

Gough came to power at a time when employment would never be 2% again,
no matter who was in charge.

He did make a university education free for those clever enough, not just
those who could pay enough.

He also eliminated the ridiculous TV license fee, something much of Europe
still hangs on to - to prop up TV stations that cannot compete.

He also led the world in banning tobacco advertising on TV - which has probably
saved thousands of lives. Something only the 'socialists' would have done in
the '70s - the lieberals were happy to see their tobacco industry shares rise
alongside the deaths from tobacco-related causes.

And he introduced universal health care!

Anyway, the definition of 'employed' has also changed. It used to mean a
full-time job, now it means a few hours a month.

NOT so, ANYBODY not on the dole is NOT counted as unemployed, no matter how
many hours they work or don't work. Plenty of people that WOULD work are not
counted as unemployed because the government doesn't care about the ones who
don't cost them anything!.

MrT.

 

[Rod Speed]

kreed wrote

As I understand it, the rail link from Eagle Junction station to the
Brisbane Airport is private, and to use it the fare is exhorbitant.

Thats a tiny part of the BrizVegas rail system.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mr.T wrote

Rod Speed wrote

So you think those tax cuts introduced by Howard at the same time were just co-incidence?

Those werent FOR THE RICH, they were to partially compensate those who
then had to pay tax on some of the stuff that was previously sales tax exempt.

And the reduction in grants from the Feds to the states was another co-incidence?

Nothing to do with your lie, TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH.

What drugs are you on?

You've obviously gone blind from too much wanking, you cant even
manage to read and comprehend what you said in your own lie.

Yep, they all do,

Yep, so your original is a bare faced lie.

Rudd did however introduce tax cuts for the poor

All the others had tax cuts for the poor too.

after 10 years of the Libs charging income
tax on people earning less than the dole!!!!

The rich paid much higher amounts of income tax!!!!!!!!

AND introducing a GST to make them even worse off of course.

Thats another bare faced lie, the income tax cuts that
happened at the same time as the GST was introduced
ensured that the poorest paid less total tax.

Yep, as I said, they all do.

Another lie, Ming and Witless didnt.

They are ALL bastards!

And so are you pathological liars.

We will NEVER make a profit on the NBN,

Irrelevant to whether the taxpayer will be paying for it.

In fact it will be the users of it that will be paying
for it, just like they paid for the copper network too.

AND they will sell it at a loss.

Bet they dont. They didnt with the copper network.

IF that were so, why privatise it then?

Because they run it a lot more efficiently than shinybums ever do.

You are wrong though of course.

Like hell I am with the entire public transport system.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mr.T wrote

That's about all,

Another bare faced lie. Most of the matresses and the bigger fridges and freezers are too.

and only because shipping costs allow them to compete with imported ones.

Another pig ignorant lie.

Actually a few Fridges are still made here for the same reason.

Its a hell of a lot more than just a few.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mr.T wrote

And he introduced universal health care!

Another lie, it didnt cover foreigners.

NOT so, ANYBODY not on the dole is NOT counted as unemployed,
no matter how many hours they work or don't work.

Another pig ignorant lie. The ABS does not use the dole as the measure of who is unemployed.

Plenty of people that WOULD work are not counted as unemployed because
the government doesn't care about the ones who don't cost them anything!.

Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected]/0/BAEE975B131AD2CACA25775900180C64?opendocument
The comment on sampling error proves that they dont count those receiving the dole.

 

[terryc]

Thats a lie. The GST goes to the states,

Yep, instead grants to states for other things, they got some of the GST
colleted in their state

doesnt affect federal income tax rates.

what do you think little johnny did with the grant money he saved?

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Yep, instead grants to states for other things, they got some of the GST colleted in their state

Some states got more than the GST collected in their state.

what do you think little johnny did with the grant money he saved?

That went on lower taxes for the low income earners to compensate them for
the GST they now had to pay on stuff that was not previously sales taxed.

 

[John Tserkezis]

Whingeing retail billionaires and the 10% GST

Gerry Harvey (Harvey Norman) says he is loosing money because people are
shopping on line from overseas, in order to save the 10% GST. Wrong
Gerry. It is not about the 10%. It is about greed. Why pay sometimes two
to three times the price here, when you can get it from the US or China,
for a third of the price. Retailers simply have to be more competitive.

My attitude on this has been the same for several years. Bring it on.
I've routinely brought in goods from overseas WITH GST paid, and still
have it significantly cheaper than buying locally.

If they think the government mandated 10% is the difference between a
viable business or a closed shop, they crazier than I am.

And Australia Post is going broke because ordinary mail is being
overtaken by email. What about all the packages that are being delivered
from overseas that Gerry Harvey keeps telling us about. You can't have
it both ways.

That's what they're claiming (though it appears not to be the case) and
regardless, it's a case of boo bloody hoo.

And the motor vehicle killed off the horse-drawn carriage too. And of
the half dozen or so people who are crying about that are probably doing
it from their climate controlled modern motor vehicles. Hypocrites.

 

[fritz]

Mr.T wrote

Another lie, it didnt cover foreigners.

Why should Aussies pay for the problems that reffos introduce ?
Are you a Pom ?

 

[Rod Speed]

fritz wrote

Why should Aussies pay for the problems that reffos introduce ?

Never said they should, JUST rubbed his nose in the fact that it wasnt universal.

Are you a Pom ?

Nope.

 

[Mr.T]

Sure it does, even those boat people they call illegal immigrants get free
health care while in detention! Plus a HUGE number of Australian residents
who are not Australian citizens. In that respect it goes TOO far IMO.

MrT.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mr.T wrote

Rod Speed wrote

Sure it does,

No it didnt.

even those boat people they call illegal immigrants
get free health care while in detention!

There were no boat people then, stupid.

Plus a HUGE number of Australian residents who are not Australian citizens.

That wasnt the case when Witless introduced it either.

In that respect it goes TOO far IMO.

Yes, but that wasnt what Witless introduced.

His didnt even cover all australians, most obviously with those
with no healthcare anywhere near them and with dental.

 

[John Tserkezis]

Computer stuff & tv's etc you'd find bugger all aussie made stuff, but
that's because there is bugger all aussie made stuff in the first place.
One of the PC's I bought there was "Assembled in Australia", which is
better than nothing. I have noticed Australian software (education
software) on their shelves.

Getting that "Made In Australia" sticker to stick is a farce too.

A place I used to work for made some electronic gear.

With the exception of the actual components, the battery, and the
waterproof case, EVERYTHING else was entirely designed and assembled
here. And that was only because Australia doesn't actually make any of
those critical bits.

The circuit was designed by us.
The control software was written by us.
The PCBs were designed here, manufactured here and assembled here.
The aluminium chassis case was designed by us, and manufactured here also.
The whole thing was assembled, tested and calibrated here.

Though all the electronic components came from overseas, with exception
to a couple of the speciality bits, all others were purchased locally
where possible.

Our "second generation" box did not have a "Made In Australia" sticker
on it, and the boss went to great pains to point out that it also should
NOT have the sticker on it.

When I questioned why (the first generation box DID have the sticker
after all), he said it costs a bomb to have the right to display the
sticker, so he told them to **** off. (though perhaps not in those
particular words), the clients already knew we made them anyway, so he
saw no point in paying lots of money for something that doesn't really
add anything to the product.



In constrast, I did a Compaq course a bazillion years ago, where they
told us (quite proudly) they only had something like 11% (long time ago,
my numbers might be wrong) Australian content on their gear before being
able to display the assembled in Australia sticker.
Yep, the McDonalds-style cardboard, paper, plastic and foam packaging,
counts as Australian content too, even if the ENTIRE computer was imported.
Though to be fair, some specific bits of the software was configured or
modified to suit the Australian region.


Seriously, the "Made In Australia" badge has turned out to be entirely
about selling any old crap, rather than ensuring the thing is made here
in the first place.