Whingeing retail billionaires and the 10% GST

[Gillard = Rudd in a frock]

How many Australian Manufactured Items does Harvey Norman stores stock
in support Australian Industry?

In the type of retail he is in, how many such articles are made in
Australia?

 

[Mr.T]

We had a 25% increase end of last year

And you'll get another one next year.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

Why bother ? Our energy systems work fine as they are right now.
Got enough coal to last for centuries, one of the cheapest ways to
make electricity
If there isn't enough capacity, then build more power stations.

Exactly, they don't "work fine as they are" because they have not increased
generating capacity to meet demand. With global emmission targets,
continuing to build coal fired power stations is not gonna happen. Carbon
capture and seqestration is only a pipe dream, and it would probably be
cheaper to invest in solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, or even nuclear.
Let's face it, it's a lot easier to live without high speed internet than
electricity!

As for the electricity bills going up again, already happening in QLD

As everywhere, and will continue to outpace inflation (in fact will help
drive inflation) by a considerable margin, for a long time to come.

I dont know about capital cities, but wireless is too expensive if you
want to download files, or download any significant amount of data (if
you are in Australia that is).

Stop downloading movies and you are fine. I just borrow DVD's from the
council library instead, since I can't avoid council rates.

We are made to pay for this stuff that because these interests that
end up with these assets on the cheap when its 'privatised"
own and control both major parties via donations, media and other
influence., which is why most decisions are made for these people,
not for the average person.
The individual is just there to foot the bill for all these grubs.

Exactly my point.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

How many Australian Manufactured Items does Harvey Norman stores stock
in support Australian Industry?

Pretty close to zero I would think from my visits.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

In the type of retail he is in, how many such articles are made in
Australia?

Not many, but that's partly because of shops like his stocking the cheaper
imports for decades. Not that I'd want to pay 3 or 4 times as much for
electrical items like was the case in the 60's when we did have a
manufacturing industry.
In any case you can't have it both ways unless you are a rich hypocritical
asshole like Gerry Harvey!

MrT.

 

[Gillard = Rudd in a frock]

Pretty close to zero I would think from my visits.

A fair bit of the furniture seems still to be made in Oz.

 

[T.T.]

"SNIP

In any case you can't have it both ways unless you are a rich hypocritical
asshole like Gerry Harvey!

Why are you using an imported pejorative?

 

[Jasen Betts]

Being 12 volt and low amperage it's unlikely you would feel a tingle.

It depends mostly how damp your hands are.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mr.T wrote

Nope, we have price increases on electricity EVERY year,

That wasnt always the case.

and it has nothing to do with a carbon tax. The price WILL
increase again (and show up as an added tax) whenever a
carbon tax is introduced. Shame we couldn't spend $43Billion on
a national alternative energy scheme rather than an NBN though.

We should be spending it on nukes if we believe that CO2 production
in australia actually matters a damn to world CO2 levels.

I won't be paying $60 a month connection fee as is proposed, and I'm
sure others will just switch to wireless phone and broadband as well.

Going to be interesting to watch. Some I know like wireless, and others
dont, basically the thruput isnt good enough for those that dont.

Another white elephant at taxpayer expense.

Dunno. You can make a case for spending what was raised by flogging
off Telstra on a modern infrastucture to replace the copper network if it
wasnt for what that money could be better spent on.

Why the hell do we privatise everything AND still
expect the taxpayer to foot the infrastructure costs?

Because no one but the govt is ever going to spend anything like $43B on infrastructure.

If they can flog it off once its done, its more a way of getting that
sort of thing done because it doesnt necessarily end up costing
the taxpayer anything, just like the copper network itself didnt.

 

[Rod Speed]

How many Australian Manufactured Items does Harvey Norman stores stock in support Australian Industry?

Varys with the part of the store. Its not too bad in some areas like matresses etc.

And when they dont its mostly because there is no locally manufactured stuff
available or the customers wont pay the price for the locally made stuff.

There is no way out of that problem when overseas labor costs are so dramatically lower.

And we clearly dont need to support australian industry at that level when
the unemployment rate is 5% with most of it made outside the country.
At that unemployment rate, anyone who wants a job can get one.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mr.T wrote

Exactly, they don't "work fine as they are"

Yes they do.

because they have not increased generating capacity to meet demand.

Yes they have, mostly with stupid gas fired power stations.

With global emmission targets, continuing to build
coal fired power stations is not gonna happen.

Bet it does.

Carbon capture and seqestration is only a pipe dream,

Not a pipe dream so much as uneconomic.

and it would probably be cheaper to invest in solar, wind, tidal, geothermal,
Nope.

or even nuclear.

Yep. And that fixes the CO2 problem forever.

Let's face it, it's a lot easier to live without high speed internet than electricity!

That isnt even a possibility.

As everywhere, and will continue to outpace inflation (in fact will help
drive inflation) by a considerable margin, for a long time to come.

Because the stupid 'alternative' energy schemes are so much more expensive.

That has to be paid for by someone.

Stop downloading movies and you are fine.

I can download movies fine with the current broadband.

I just borrow DVD's from the council library instead,

They dont have any of the stuff I want to watch.

since I can't avoid council rates.

Thats not why Telstra was flogged off. Aussat either.

Exactly my point.

Nope.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mr.T wrote

Pretty close to zero I would think from my visits.

You're visiting the wrong parts of the store.

 

[Rod Speed]

Benway (original non-Zionist) wrote

kreed wrote

Odd that the Dud gave up on it.

There is no "alternative" energy - at least
not at a price any of us could ever afford.

Too many breeding people is the problem.

Nope, not one first world country is even self replacing if you take out immigration.

Knowledge and productive skills are useless unless
you can exploit skilled and trained savages from
the third world. The imported scab labour Ponzi
scheme sure beats real, honest work, and delivers
lower wages, higher rents, and growing poverty.

That last is a bare faced lie.

Aussies need to look behind the facade of cooked
statistics. A powerful plague immigration lobby has
been telling them that growing poverty and strife

Thats a lie.

is really growing prosperity and multicultural harmony.

We do have growing prosperity.

 

[SG1]

Varys with the part of the store. Its not too bad in some areas like
matresses etc.

And when they dont its mostly because there is no locally manufactured
stuff
available or the customers wont pay the price for the locally made stuff.

There is no way out of that problem when overseas labor costs are so
dramatically lower.

And we clearly dont need to support australian industry at that level when
the unemployment rate is 5% with most of it made outside the country.
At that unemployment rate, anyone who wants a job can get one.

My how one's perception changes with time. In the 60s the unemployment rate
was 2% and that was classified as FULL employment. Then came Gough the
destroyer and unemployment will never be 2% again. Now full employment is
classified as an unemployment rate of 5%. A full 2 1/2 times what it used to
be. Thank you Labor party idealist shit......

 

[Rob]

My how one's perception changes with time. In the 60s the unemployment rate
was 2% and that was classified as FULL employment. Then came Gough the
destroyer and unemployment will never be 2% again. Now full employment is
classified as an unemployment rate of 5%. A full 2 1/2 times what it used to
be. Thank you Labor party idealist shit......

Each and every Labor government has stuffed around with the economy.
Gough started with a 3500b in the coffers and ended up with 3500b in the
red. Keating as treasurer increased sales tax to make ends sort of meet.
We were doing nicely thankyou then Rudd said lets spend, we have savings
from the previous mob. Now they can't make anything work or willing to
release full details of their stuffups. Gerry said lets have another
hand out so its spent in my stores.

This NBN s,,ts me.

 

[Mr.T]

Why are you using an imported pejorative?

I'm not xenophobic.

MrT.

 

[terryc]

"Now full employment is classified as an unemployment rate of 5%.

John Howard.

 

[Mr.T]

My how one's perception changes with time. In the 60s the unemployment rate
was 2% and that was classified as FULL employment. Then came Gough the
destroyer and unemployment will never be 2% again.

So Gough increased unemployment in ALL countries then. I didn't realise he
had so much international power.

Now full employment is
classified as an unemployment rate of 5%. A full 2 1/2 times what it used to
be. Thank you Labor party idealist shit......

Ant the unemployment rate under Howard/Costello was less than 5% was it? At
least we now have a lower unemployment rate than 90% of the rest of the
western world.
Amazing how political stooges can blame the other party even when they have
done a good job there, and are wanting in so many other areas, and their
party is even worse anyway!

MrT.

 

[Rob]

And you'll get another one next year.

MrT.

yep it dosen't look much when the units are 1.6XXXXXXXXXXXXX cents
then you add just 25% to that.

 

[Mr.T]

Each and every Labor government has stuffed around with the economy.
Gough started with a 3500b in the coffers and ended up with 3500b in the
red.

As did many countries during the first oil crisis.

Keating as treasurer increased sales tax to make ends sort of meet.

And Howard introduced a GST so the poor could pay for tax cuts for the rich.
And reduced services and infrastructure spending, and privatised everything
to make ends meet. Now we are gong to spend more than we got for the sale of
Telstra, to provide the infrastructure that Telstra once provided at a
PROFIT to the government/taxpayer. What an amazing cock up that decsion was,
nearly as bad as privatising public transport and continuing to pay MORE in
taxpayer funds for it's infrastructure than we did when the government owned
it. :-(

MrT.