Trailer and Power Generator

[(PeteCresswell)]

RE/

storing 10-20 gallons in steel airtight cans in your
garage or outside under cover..you keep a plastic 5 gallon can.

Based on experience, I wouldn't store even *one* gallon of
gasoline in my garage or anywhere else even close to my house.

You have a fire or something and "Boom"....

Also, don't knock plastic: at least it doesn't rust.

Once I found a two-gallon steel can that had rusted out in the
bottom and allowed it's entire contents to dribble out onto the
floor.

 

[Bruce in alaska]

Once I found a two-gallon steel can that had rusted out in the
bottom and allowed it's entire contents to dribble out onto the
floor.

Just a few NOTES here:

1. Gasoline does NOT cause Rust in Steel Cans. It is the Water than get
in the Gas, and then separates out and sinks to the bottom, that causes
rust in Steel Cans.

2. If you SEAL the Steel containers, then no water will get in, and it
will NOT cause any rust to form inside the SEALED container.

3. If you want Gasoline with NO Ethanol in it, go out to your local
Airport and buy some 80/87 Low Lead Aviation Gasoline. The FAA does NOT
allow ANY ethanol in AVGAS, PERIOD.

4. If you buy AVGAS, you do NOT need StaBil in it, to keep it from
breaking down. If you then store it in any Kind of SEALED Container,
it will store for YEARS, with no degradation.

5. Diesel can be stored for DECADES in SEALED containers with no
degradation. Again, it is the water that separates out of the fuel
that causes ALL the storage problems with diesel, including any Bug
contamination. The bugs live and grow on the fuel/water boundary.
No water, No Bugs.

 

[vaughn]

2. If you SEAL the Steel containers, then no water will get in, and it
will NOT cause any rust to form inside the SEALED container.

There are sealed containers and there are SEALED containers. A high quality
steel jerry can tightly closed with a perfect gasket is probably SEALED. The
plastic cans you buy at Home Depot are never really sealed. Mine normally leak
a bit at the cap, even when tightly closed because there are no gasketed
surfaces. I also suspect that they ooze a bit right through the plastic. I
know for a FACT that they breath a bit on hot days because I can smell the faint
odor of gasoline.

Vaughn

 

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So instead of storing 10-20 gallons in steel airtight cans in your
garage or outside under cover..you keep a plastic 5 gallon can.

WTF are you talking about?

I keep a 2gal plastic can for my lawn mower. That's it.

Well..if it works for you..go for it.


So you store 5 gallons instead of a suitable amount.

Please show me where I said any such thing!

So what happens if the outage is more than 10 miles?

You don't read very well.

Btw...there was (1) gas station in that 10 mile range. The next closet
one was 32 miles.
So?

Hope you got enough range to make it to your closest functioning gas
station when your power is out due to a major distribution outage.

And there arent 100,000 people between it..and you...and the roads are
passible.

And you have cash. Because most of the ATM and card readers may be out.

Cash isn't a problem. I generally have enough in my pocket to buy enough gas
to get across country a few times.

Shrug.

Its your life. Do what you will with it.

You clearly missed my point.

As for me...one of my long time hangouts, is misc.survivalism.

Both as a teacher and a student.

....obvious.

<...>

 

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Gunner Asch:

Then you dont store your vehicle in your garage either. Right?

Correctamundo!

But, in the interest of full disclosure, the vehicle is too big
and the garage is too small..... So I never even thought about
it.

I would rate an automobile's fuel containment above any gas can -
if only because if a car's tank seems less likely to leak.

But now that you've mentioned it, even if my car fit I wouldn't
be too enthusiastic about having it sitting below our bedrooms
(split-level house).

 

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Gunner Asch:

True indeed. And sometimes when you drop one, they dont split open. On
the other hand..sometimes they do. And if you leave them out in the sun
for any apprciable amount of time..they go white, then get

You have me convinced: steel over plastic. Never even
considered what might happen if the container were to be dropped.

 

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Odd..I believe you mentioned a '5 gallon can"

Odd. You must be confusing the thread. Try reading what I said again.

If thats not true, then you are even dumber than I originally thought.

So my friend..hows the view from up there in the clouds?

Litterate. Not so in the underworld, apparently.

No answer?

From your posts..it would appear that you will simply drive whatever
distance it takes to find an open fuel station, whip out cash and fill
up. No matter how far, nor no matter how unfriendly the territory
between you and it is.

Any evacuation plans I might have don't include Afghanisan, no. Cash buys
nice things like gasoline, yes.

That question speaks volumes. Sadly.

If I'm bugging out 22 miles doesn't seem very important, no.

Good on you lad!

....and a few times that, immediately available were I need to bug out. That is
about the extent of my hurricane plans, however.

We all teach what we can, and learn from others.

Failure to do so makes one a very poor human being and at worst..a
statistic.

The one thing that I learned when I had to do disaster recovery plans was to
define the scope of the problem. A hurricane is about the extent of the
threat I'll deal with (leave). A nuke isn't worth worrying about. I'll let
those in NYC worry about that one.

I prefer not to be a statistic.

Ive mentioned before how I took care of my block when the Coalinga
Earthquake leveled most of the town.

I have the perfect plan for California earthquakes. I promise. I won't be a
burden to you.

One assumes someone on your block will be forced to take care of you.

I doubt it. I'll be bugging out.

 

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Id erased the previous posts. So if I were interested enough..Id dump
all the postings, including the saved ones and redownload all the posts.
Frankly..Im not that interested in your denial. I do recall the
subject of your having a 5 gallon can on hand...or something about a 5
gallon can yada yada.

You obviously don't remember because I have never owned a 5-gal gas can. I
asked how one stored gas safely and without it going bad.

Shrug. But as it turns out..you only have a 2 gallon can on hand. Which
is of course..far worse...less intelligent than Id given you credit for.

Wrong. Having more gas on hand or a can larger than required for the gas
needed is far worse than having a smaller can.

Afghanistan? Oh..sorry...I didnt realize you would try bluster and
foolishness so soon.

You're the one who things I'd be in such an unfriendly place. I don't live in
Kalifornica either.

That statement speaks volumes as well. Sadly.

I wish you'd keep your story straight. You're the one who claims that I can't
get ten miles without carrying extra gas and are now changing your story to 32
miles. You must be worried about the 22 miles, now.

But of course Superman!

Just stating the facts, GI Joe.

But of course. Chortle.

To where..and for how long?

Anywhere I feel like going at the time. I have family in enough places that
I'm not too worried about time.

That is indeed the question..isnt it?
No.

But as I said..its your life, your choices and your family (assuming you
have one)

Just make your choices wisely. They are the only hope you have.


Now Im done with this.

Good. Try reading next time.

 

[amdx]

Can you evacuate ahead of time? Sometimes they don't let trailers on
the road when it's down to crunch time. If you're retired, then
that's not a problem as long as you don't mind evacuations. It's also
a hell of a lot easier to evacuate a day or two before crush. I once
spent 12 hours driving 120 miles. Drank a twelve pack of cokes,
smoked a half dozen cigars. For a good chunk of the trip, there were
cars in both lanes (2 lane road), both shoulders, and some in the
ditches.

Pete Keillor

The big problem with evacuating is that you have to wait until the police
decide you can return to your own home. They block the highway to returning
traffic.
I was new to Fl. when Opal came, it was headed away from us when we went
to bed, when we got up it was "let's get out of here". The relatives said
"follow us"
We got about 3 miles before the traffic was backed up. It was still 8 miles
to get
to the four lane highway. I waited a while and then turned around and headed
for
home.
Mike

 

[vaughn]

We got about 3 miles before the traffic was backed up. It was still 8 miles to
get to the four lane highway. I waited a while and then turned around and
headed for home.

You gotta think ahead so you leave ahead of the crowd.

As for the getting back part, I suppose that persistence pays. Unless you live
somewhere isolated, there are more streets and roads then there are police.

Vaughn

 

[daestrom]

You guys have it rough. The most I have to worry about is wildfire and
earthquakes I guess. But if an earthquake knocked my house down I'd be
staying here anyway.

As for wild fire I'd just have to get across the river.

It's aready 20mile round trip to the gas station so i've always got
enough gas for that (+ more usually for the quad and generators)

My mom has to worry about tsunami but she could just come up to my house
-- i'm about 10 miles into the mountains from the coast so noproblemo.
Flooding does hit a lot but all that does is take out bridges. My house
is far enough up the hill not to worry about direct flooding.

You guys are kind of nuts to be living down there in Hurricane land with
all those millions of people needing to move at the same time. It must
be pure hell (but otherwise really nice I guess)

And all we worry about here is the power going out for a day or two in
sub-zero weather.

Use a natural gas stove and fireplace, keep the pantry full and have a
can of gas for the snowblower when the lake-effect finally subsides.
That's about it.

I remember being in Mobile AL, when hurricane Frederick came through
back in '79. We bugged out and were fine, but when we came back we went
without power for a couple of weeks. Hardest part was driving around to
find a gas station that had a genny and getting a bag of ice each day
from the Red Cross for the cooler to keep a couple of things cold. (we
were newlyweds so we didn't really need a TV

daestrom

 

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And all we worry about here is the power going out for a day or two in
sub-zero weather.

Franlkly, I worried far more about that than I do from Hurricanes here. It
happened to me three times, once was just a furnace malfunction and an
incompetent service company.

Use a natural gas stove and fireplace, keep the pantry full and have a
can of gas for the snowblower when the lake-effect finally subsides.
That's about it.

When we were in Vermont we had a wood stove and oil -> gas furnace. The wood
stove would heat the whole house, when it was down to -20F or better. I never
had to use it for long, but it was nice to have as a backup. A cord of wood
lasted me five years, so I wasn't used much and I always had plenty of wood.

I remember being in Mobile AL, when hurricane Frederick came through
back in '79. We bugged out and were fine, but when we came back we went
without power for a couple of weeks.

My plan is to bug out and come back when the power is back. We're ~200mi from
the gulf, so I don't expect to get the brunt of hurricanes.

Hardest part was driving around to
find a gas station that had a genny and getting a bag of ice each day
from the Red Cross for the cooler to keep a couple of things cold. (we
were newlyweds so we didn't really need a TV

;-)

 

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Now wild fire is the big scare .. my house would go up like a mofo. I've
got my hydro pond rigged so I could put some serious water out around my
house but the reality is that if the big one hits some dry summer there
wouldn't be much I could do but get the **** out.

*fingers crossed*

Yes, fire would be a big concern. That's fairly predictable, too. It's a lot
harder to bug out before an earthquake or a tornado.

but what scares me about some of you guys is living within a large
population that gets hit by big weather. It's no big thing for us in the
boonies to get 120mph winds but we're used to it -- and to be fair those
are gusts, not sustained like you get down south. Facing 100,000 people
all trying to move out down some highways would freak me out bigtime

y'all are braver than me

Good point. I don't live on the coast or in a large population center.

 

[vaughn]

Use a natural gas stove and fireplace, keep the pantry full and have a can of
gas for the snowblower when the lake-effect finally subsides. That's about it.

Yep. I am just a dumb Florida boy, but I would guess that you would always want
an alternate way to keep at least one room warm. Fireplace, Franklin stove,
kero heater...something like that. I remember from my Michigan childhood that
it doesn't always take a storm or a power outage to cause a family emergency;
furnaces sometimes break!

Vaughn