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Jack Painter

Doug Dotson said:
It is my experience of operating in this area for 10 years.


What are your damages as a result of this "slander"?


So your implication is that just because you say good things about MMSN
("playing-around" was I believe your complement), I should automatically
say good things about the CG operators. I don't see how that follows.


When did I lie on someone's else's behalf? I think you have gone
around the bend. You also need to learn the definition of slander, Last I
knew the definition isn't "something that Jack disagrees with". I think you
better
calm down before your head explodes.

Doug Dotson you are a liar, and that's much worse than your head full of
misinformation about maritime communications that you portray yourself an
expert on. Someday, you could change your attitude, admit you can be wrong
about things, and act like a man when it happens. But failing that proper
behavior (as others do here occasionally, eg: Chuck's post last night where
he thinks he sets the newsgroup straight about radio checks being allowed,
flouts a URL which he is barely familiar with, and then quotes a line about
exemption of transmission test from the any-station rules. Then, just for me
he impugns that " To some of us, it does matter that your advice and legal
opinions often bear dubious relation to reality." Nice. He was nonetheless
dead wrong about the rules of making radio checks, and yet when I point this
out in a polite manner, he never acknowledges or apologizes, just hides.
What a man! You however, don't even have the decency to hide. You just
author slanderous and untruthful fabrications in order to disguise your self
pity of being mistaken about something.

You dishonestly accused me of expressing a contempt for the Maritime Mobile
Service Net, and the archive record here shows my praise not only for the
good and honorable service MMSN provides to the maritime community, but also
to the dedication of the Net Controllers and operators such as Richard Webb
who I thanked for his good service there, and who was participating in this
thread. Before that, you asserted I had no idea how a HAM Net, or any Net
operates. A playful barb with no specific reference was all that resulted. I
do after all, have the honor of controlling Nets with dozens of USCG Rescue
Aircraft, Cutters, and other services. But that nasty behavior is just
typical of Doug Dotson, and we all have to let your inner-child assert
itself for the sanity of the newsgroup. But your accusations about my
alleged BIAS against the MMSN were both false and malicious, and attempted
to damage my reputation among the marine community who certainly appreciate
the work of the MMSN, as do I. There are certainly damages possible when
your mouth is running (or your fingers are typing) Doug, and that ranges
from insulting people who wish you no harm, to bringing discredit to a
service such as the United States Coast Guard and Maritime Mobile Service
Net, whose work is not in competition, but in service, safety, and goodwill
toward the marine community. What you bring to that table is contempt for
USCG radio operators, their knowledge, commitment and abilities, a very
broad misunderstanding of the basic rules of marine radiotelephony, and then
repeatedly compare HAMS as a much better alternative at every task. We have
many examples of those bitter tirades from you Doug, and you should ask
yourself if even once, that attitude (never mind for now how misplaced and
inaccurate many of your statements were), if that attitude furthered the
goals of either the MMSN or the USCG? Both of which services may your very
life and those of your passenger rely on someday, incidentally. Perhaps
that's your definition of "collateral damage", to hurt individuals and the
services whose mission of lifesaving somehow has components that offend you?
Well forgive us, for not doing all things the way YOUR plan of things looks.
Consider that constructive suggestions, or even pointing out clear
variations from generally accepted procedures, would go so much farther than
just your bitterness, which as I see it, is all you have offered this entire
discussion from the beginning. I'll bet you are SO fun to cruise with!
(that's a joke Doug!)

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Virginia
 
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Me

Jack Painter said:
Doug Dotson you are a liar, ..........

snipped because I figured the bandwidth could be better used
elsewhere....

Geeez Loiuzzzze Jack,

Are you Muslim or what? Martyrdom is a Muslim thing, and we have
enough of those crazy's running around the world already......
Chill out Dude, or get back on your Med's......the world isn't going to
end, just because you nailed yourself to the USCG Cross, and can't find
a nailpuller...... some folks might just get the impression that your
wrapped a little tight these days.......they don't give Purple Hearts
for stroking out in a UseNet NewsGroup, Jack.......

Doug, better that we let Jack cool down, as we wouldn't want him to
have a stroke, or anything......the USCG EasteCoast Comms need HIM
to make everything works right, and only HE knows how the system is put
together, and where the prints are.......


Me who really liked "Bruce in alaska's" post on FCC/USCG stuff
 
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Doug Dotson

Me said:
snipped because I figured the bandwidth could be better used
elsewhere....

Geeez Loiuzzzze Jack,

Are you Muslim or what? Martyrdom is a Muslim thing, and we have
enough of those crazy's running around the world already......
Chill out Dude, or get back on your Med's......the world isn't going to
end, just because you nailed yourself to the USCG Cross, and can't find
a nailpuller...... some folks might just get the impression that your
wrapped a little tight these days.......they don't give Purple Hearts
for stroking out in a UseNet NewsGroup, Jack.......

Doug, better that we let Jack cool down, as we wouldn't want him to
have a stroke, or anything......the USCG EasteCoast Comms need HIM
to make everything works right, and only HE knows how the system is put
together, and where the prints are.......
That's for sure.

Me who really liked "Bruce in alaska's" post on FCC/USCG stuff
 
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Bob

BUT tell
us all, "HOW MANY YEARS BEHIND IS THE USCG IN GMDSS COVERAGE for ALL
US WATERS??????????????????", and compare this with the Wester Europeon's
??????????????

Me

well dont forget the CG budget was starved for years. we have one of
the oldest CG fleets in the world and it's only now being upgraded.
comms is part of that. yes, CG comms are, to put it mildly, antique.

of course, there's always *CG on your cell phone :)
 
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Larry W4CSC

Two recent cases involved commercial fishing vessels hailing
the USCG on 2182 when they HAD satellite phones on board! Apparently,
these professionals wanted the USCG to answer, not their wives or
friends at the bar.

Best regards,

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Virginia

Hmm....not long ago I was monitoring 14.300 Mhz Maritime Mobile Net when a
Nicaraguan captain called in in distress. One of his crew had stuck a 7"
knife in another one of his crew and he had tried all the marine freqs on
his radio to get someone...anyone...to help him. No-go with all that fancy
equipment we buy them. He was about 200 miles from Nicaragua. His radio
worked great because I could hear him plain as day on Lionheart's Icom
M802/AT-130 on the insulated backstay in Charleston, SC, which isn't much
of an antenna in intense noise from a corroded marina electric system.

The ham responded, immediately. An American ham contacted someone in the
State Department who acted as liason with Nicaraguan Air Force to start
things going ashore. A Canadian ham contacted the USCG bureaucrats and
acted as relay station for the boat to get all the usual form-filler-outer
data to them.

I listened for over 2 hours while pouring over a DC wiring nightmare in our
boat. Not ONCE did USCG come on 14.300 Mhz to talk to this fishing boat,
directly, or did any other government bureaucracy in any country. Why? CG
tried to get him to go to one of the marine HF SSB freqs, but he ended up
back on 20 meters after hearing nothing in reply to his calls there on the
same radio. Any CG can commandeer 14.300 for emergencies. Are their
frequency dials stuck?

Anyway, I talked to one of the guys I know on the net the next day in email
and he said Nicaraguan Air Force got a doctor on a boat and met them
offshore to treat the victim while Nicaraguan Police bound and gagged the
perp. The guy lost a lot of blood but survived the attack to fish again.

Damned good thing HAM RADIO was monitoring 14.300 that day.......(c;

AR
 
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Larry W4CSC

I am not a Ham. When I can spare a receiver, it is often on 14.300
MMSN. I followed various amateur hurricane emergency nets in Florida
during the hurricanes this summer. 100% of the traffic was a waste of
bandwidth with stations checking in from their homes with no traffic
(This is still not quite as ridiculous as someone checking in to the
MMSN with no traffic from their BOAT). Then there were the unfounded
rumours passed about damage (all the while telephone service
remained). Of course the only place they were ever needed in Florida
was as backups at the EOC's and various shelters for local repeater
work. But few hams roll up their sleeves and actually go to work in
this intended fashion, instead opting to let everyone in the
HF-hemishpere know that "I'm here at home if you need me". "Oh yea
thanks for telling us", the real workers think.

You missed the point of the net, entirely. The net is a SERVICE net.
Traffic is passed or phone patches can be connected between ham boaters and
home. Ham radio is a HOBBY. No bandwidth has ever been "wasted".
Stations check into the net with no traffic TO LET NET CONTROL KNOW THEY
ARE THERE, ON FREQ, AND AVAILABLE TO RECEIVE TRAFFIC.....unlike you
Coasties who noone ever knows whether they are listening, HAVE PROPAGATION
TO LISTEN, or not!

You boys have some fun with CG's wonderful communicators where you live.
Call 'em by their official call letters some day. See if they recognize
the call. Ours have no idea what CG Group Charleston's callsign is on HF
or VHF. Don't seem to be any RADIOMEN left.

Now, let me polish this ax off a little more....

I'm sure you've gotten a little flack from the Charleston "Morning Dew"
debacle. Remember the complete idiot with 3 boys aboard crashing into the
UNLIGHTED Charleston Jetties? Need I post the tape of the boys screaming
for help? Oh, I forgot, his "Radio Procedures" weren't "correct".

IF THOSE BOYS HAD SCREAMED FOR HELP ON ANY CHARLESTON SC HAM RADIO REPEATER
FREQUENCY.....THEY'D STILL BE ALIVE TODAY!! If I had heard them, I'd have
got the Goddamned BASE COMMANDER out of his rack!
 
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Bob

The ham responded, immediately. An American ham contacted someone in the
State Department who acted as liason with Nicaraguan Air Force to start
things going ashore. A Canadian ham contacted the USCG bureaucrats and
acted as relay station for the boat to get all the usual form-filler-outer
data to them.

you miss the point. there is a reason we ask the questions we do.
being both a ham who's handled distress calls, and a CG radio operator
at station sandy hook, the hostility to both camps is unwarranted.
I listened for over 2 hours while pouring over a DC wiring nightmare in our
boat. Not ONCE did USCG come on 14.300 Mhz to talk to this fishing boat,
directly, or did any other government bureaucracy in any country. Why? CG
tried to get him to go to one of the marine HF SSB freqs, but he ended up
back on 20 meters after hearing nothing in reply to his calls there on the
same radio. Any CG can commandeer 14.300 for emergencies. Are their
frequency dials stuck?

i've heard the CG on 14.3 many times.

the CG handles many, many more distress calls than ham radio does. and
the difference is the CG is the ones to go get the folks.
 
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Larry W4CSC

As far as guys checking in from their boat with no traffic that again
reinforces the operation of the net. It is also a good way for that
boater to know that he can contact the net when needed. It provides
him with a little training in communication skills also.
Does anyone get that kind of training or acknowledgement from the
Coast Guard? I think not. Practice is what makes this thing work.

73
Gary K4FMX
Noone knows whether they can contact a CG comm center or not. Noone is
allowed to "bother" them with "no traffic" just to see if the propagation
is available or if the radios on both ends are working at the moment.

1) Boaters checking in to MMSN with no traffic, every one of them, with
this simple contact have:

2) Checked equipment to make sure it's working properly...

3) Checked propagation at the time they are monitoring to see if the
ionosphere is still operational...

4) Helped the hams monitoring the net to check propagation between THEIR
station and a maritime area they had not heard from today, just in case
their services are needed during this net time...

5) Inadvertently said, "Thank you, guys" from the boaters the doggedly
loyal ham retirees on shore are trying to serve. All they ask is for a
little check-in "thanks".

Any boater-ham should always check-in for these purposes if no other. You
have no way of knowing until it's too late if the damned CG can hear you or
not and if anyone is REALLY listening out there. "Waste of Bandwidth" my
ass.....
 
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Larry W4CSC

Hi Gary, that's all right. I was talking about an MMSN member checking
in with the net from the dock. If that's training, so be it. I don't
know if there are ever missed calls because of that chatter, but it
seems possible there would be. Training with check-in chatter could be
accomplished off-net, much like the Sunday afternoon training already
goes off-frequency for a short broadcast of interest to users of the
net. Many Hams are admittedly very skilled with break-in techniques
that keep the MMSN full of non-stop chatter with few breaks for
service, so to speak. Just my observation from over a decade of
listening to it!

Jack

So, tell us how DO you know what area you can hear on your HF net? Noone
transmits for fear of raising your ire. Can you hear Florida today?
Galveston? 100 miles out? 200? 500?

What magic on that dead HF frequency tells you the sun has exploded, again,
and communications is useless? Surely you're not depending on WWV's
propagation forecast, are you?

If we observe the two quiet periods for emergency traffic calls, wouldn't
it be better for everyone involved if you knew what boats/ships are also
your ears and eyes on the frequency, expanding your pitiful little
receiving antenna cross section by several thousand miles? "CG Net this is
WDB-6254, "Lionheart" at 32 24N, 75 12W checkin, no traffic monitoring 802
for next 2 hours." Aha! I can hear a 150W insulated backstay offshore of
Charleston on Channel 802 at this time. HE, on the other hand, will HELP
me monitor the frequency, relaying to areas I cannot hear because of
propagation, any calls that get no answers from me.

What harm have I done to Coast Guard Communications?

They USED to do it on CW, you know! It's how I learned the code when I was
10 in 1956.....(c;

This is precisely why hams "waste bandwidth", as you say.....see?
 
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Larry W4CSC

Doug (of Calista), why would you say such a thing? You just slandered
me and I expect an apology through the group, after you read back
through the times that I highly praised the MMSN and the workers in
that net. When you start inventing crap like that just because you
tire of being corrected for your consistently inaccurate statements
about the Coast Guard, your reputation goes to zero in the eyes of
honorable men.

You sir, give a bad name to hams, by lying on their behalf while you
try to defend some of the indefensible statements you have made about
the CG and their radio operations in particular. When you resorted to
slander, you stepped over the line, and that had better stop right
now.

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Virginia

Your ONE comment about useless checkins says volumes about your experience
as an HF communications station, CG or not.....
 
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Larry W4CSC

Coastguard stations around the world are generally blessed with
serious antenna farms and excellent professional receivers. They
are therefore well equiped to hear you if there is a signal to be
heard.
Not without a cooperating ionosphere, which hasn't been cooperating of
late.

What serious antenna farm have you been to? Their receiving antenna is a
whip! Their transmit antennas go from a whip to a conical monopole at the
10KW stations. Serious antenna farm!

Those silly hams are running 1.5KW PEP, when necessary, into an amazing
array of beam antennas both receiving and transmitting. The average Icom,
Yaesu or Kenwood receiver at any ham station has 2 or 3 HF SSB bandwidths
with digital signal processing of both IF and audio. CG had an old blue
display Commercial HF receiver, last time I went from base to base
calibrating their test equipment a few years back. What ultra-sensitive
receivers are they using today? Those ham rigs have 120 db crystal-sloped
IF skirts and .1 uV receivers. The receivers are so sensitive we have to
have an attenuator to protect them from atmospherics.

Back to the antenna problem.....

Let's say there's 50 hams in USA and Canada monitoring MMSN at noon,
tomorrow. The furthest East is in Nova Scotia. The furthest South is in
West Palm Beach. The furthest West is in Honolulu. The other 50 have
their sensitive little Yaesus listening every few hundred miles in between.
So, their "effective receiving antenna" is VERY well distributed across a
wide area of two countries, maybe even Europe and Asia at times.

CG has...well....8 to 10 whip antennas on each frequency....all right along
the COAST with nothing in between?

Which receiving system has a better chance of hearing out little backstay
transmitter, 180 miles off the Georgia coast??

PS - 22 hams KNOW they can hear me because they heard me and wrote down my
callsign on their desk pad when I did my useless chit-chat checkin.....(c;
 
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Larry W4CSC

9. Automatic Direction Finding equipment with display on
computer-screen charts is selectable from all or individual
high-sites.

The Coast Guard watchstander at Group Charleston thought the "Morning Dew"
distress call was a hoax. Obviously, if he'd had VHF-DF capabilities and
knew how to use it, he would have seen the display light up BRIGHTLY as the
sinking boat was only a mile and a little from Sullivan's Island Light and
3.5 miles from CG Base Charleston in the Ashley River.

Is this new stuff since Morning Dew's debacle?
10. Digital recording devices capture 100% of all incoming traffic to
USCG Group receivers.

Yes, they do! It took three TV stations calling Sen Holling's office and a
lot of political pressure to pry those recordings out of a reluctant Coast
Guard's clutches....negating any doubt about them HEARING the boy on the
Morning Dew screaming for his life.

Let's WAKE THE BOATCREW and WASTE A LITTLE OF MY TAX MONEY!!
 
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Larry W4CSC

BUT tell

well dont forget the CG budget was starved for years. we have one of
the oldest CG fleets in the world and it's only now being upgraded.
comms is part of that. yes, CG comms are, to put it mildly, antique.

of course, there's always *CG on your cell phone :)

I offered to bring an IFR over to CG Charleston and TURN UP THE DEVIATION
ON THEIR VHF RADIOS.....so we could HEAR what was being said. To hear
them, here, you must turn your VHF volume control to maximum, especially if
the engine is running! It's been like that for years.

Talk of "deviation", I think, scares them....(c;
 
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[email protected] wrote in
I think you're confusing kd5bz Dick in Mississippi with Clyde kg4bvr
in eight mile Al. BOth have good stations. At the moment the back of
my beam favors the caribbean as my rotor's nonfunctional, but that's
all coming down because I'll be moving soon. I'll still be covering
my mmsn shifts which are regularly scheduled from ke5coa in NEw
Orleans and you should hear that station. IT's got a g5rv antenna
about 8 stories in the air. THe station is at University hospital.




Richard Webb, amateur radio callsign nf5b

I've heard you on the boat, Richard.....

Thank you for being there! Your signals typically 5/9/9 on coastal SC.

Larry W4CSC
s/v "Lionheart" WDB-6254
 
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Larry W4CSC

Maybe I can get back to you with a more definitive HF-answer later Wayne,
sorry it's just too new a procedure to be sure yet.

I found this SWL list of USCG stations off a Google Search. Callsigns are
awfully hard to find, it seems.

NMB is Charleston, but don't call 'em that if you expect to get an
answer....(c;

NABD USCGUSCGC Grand Isle (WPB-1338)
NABK USCGUSCGC Farallon (WPB-1301)
NADT USCGUSCGC Buckthorn (WLI-642)
NAED USCGUSCGC White Sumac (WLM-540)
NAFO USCGUSCGC Cowslip (WLB-277)
NAKH USCGUSCGC Point Batan (WPB-8234)
NAOI USCGUSCGC Chincoteague (WPB-1320)
NAQD USCGUSCGC Jarvis (WHEC-725)
NAR USNCOMMSTA Key West, FL
NARU USCGUSCGC Coho (WPB-8732)
NASB USCGUSCGC Attu (WPB-1317)
NAV EIGHTNavy/MC MARSHI
NAYE USCGUSCGC Pamlico (WLIC-800)
NAYM USCGUSCGC Matagorda (WPB-1303)
NBEI USCGUSCGC Maui (WPB-1304)
NBKZ USCGUSCGC Metompkin (WPB-1325)
NBNW USCGUSCGC Sitkinak (WPB-1329)
NBRF USCGUSCGC Osprey (WPB-8730)
NBRG USCGUSCGC Stingray (WPB-8730)
NBTC USCGUSCGC Aquidneck (WPB-1309)
NBTM USCGUSCGC Polar Star (WAGB-10)
NCBE USCGUSCGC Tahoma (WMEC-908)
NCCE USCGUSCGC Point Evans (WPB-8235)
NCF USCGGroup Miami, FL
NCSR USCGUSCGC Knight Island (WPB-1348)
NCUI USCGUSCGC Baranof (WPB-1318)
NCWX USCGUSCGC Hudson (WLIC-801)
NDBC USCGUSCGC Juniper (WLB-201)
NDCH USCGUSCGC Point Francis (WPB-8235)
NDCK USCGUSCGC Sanibel (WPB-1312)
NDCV USCGUSCGC Conchito (WPB-8732)
NDIS USCGUSCGC Matinicus (WPB-1315)
NDRV USCGUSCGC Assateague (WPB-1337)
NDTE USCGUSCGC Red Wood (WLM-685)
NDTS USCGUSCGC Dauntless (WMEC-624)
NDWA USCGUSCGC Morgenthau (WHEC-722)
NEDI USCGUSCGC Cuttyhunk (WPB-1322)
NEGS USCGUSCGC Monhegan (WPB-1305)
NEPP USCGUSCGC Healy (WAGB-20)
NERA USCGUSCGC Barbara Mabrity (WLM-559)
NERH USCGUSCGC Tybee (WPB-1330)
NERW USCGUSCGC Anthony Petit (WLM-559)
NEWR USCGUSCGC Naushon (WPB-1311)
NEXY USCGUSCGC Anacapa (WPB-1335)
NFFS USCGUSCGC Chandeleur (WPB-1319)
NFMK USCGUSCGC Seneca (WMEC-906)
NFSH USCGUSCGC Pelican (WPB-8732)
NFWC USCGUSCGC Wrangell (WPB-1332)
NGBL USCGUSCGC Ocracoke (WPB-1307)
NGDF USCGUSCGC Munro (WHEC-724)
NGEI USCGUSCGC Key Largo (WPB-1324)
NGYS USCGUSCGC Key Biscayne (WPB-1339)
NHIC USCGUSCGC Vigilant (WMEC-617)
NHKD USCGUSCGC Sapelo (WPB-1314)
NHKW USCGUSCGC Confidence (WMEC-619)
NHNC USCGUSCGC Harriet Lane (WMEC-903)
NHPX USCGUSCGC Nunivak (WPB-1306)
NHSD USCGUSCGC Drummond (WPB-1323)
NHWR USCGUSCGC Midgett (WHEC-726)
NICB USCGUSCGC Forward (WMEC-911)
NIGY USCGUSCGC Penobscot Bay (WTGB-107)
NIIU USCGUSCGC Steelhead (WPB-8732)
NIKL USCGUSCGC Tampa (WMEC-902)
NIQT USCGUSCGC Point Baker (WPB-8734)
NISS USCGUSCGC Ida Lewis (WLM-551)
NIUD USCGUSCGC Barracuda (WPB-8730)
NJAR USCGUSCGC Spar (WLB-206)
NJEC USCGUSCGC Dorado (WPB-8730)
NJEH USCGUSCGC Vashon (WPB-1308)
NJHT USCGUSCGC Liberty (WPB-1334)
NJOR USCGUSCGC Gallatin (WHEC-721)
NJOY USCGUSCGC Saginaw (WLIC-803)
NJPJ USCGUSCGC Reliance (WMEC-615)
NJPZ USCGUSCGC Moray (WPB-8733)
NJQA USCGUSCGC Manowar (WPB-8733)
NJSH USCGUSCGC Mustang (WPB-1310)
NJSJ USCGUSCGC Razorbill (WPB-8733)
NJTH USCGUSCGC Joshua Appleby (WLM-556)
NJZP USCGUSCGC Marlin (WPB-8730)
NKDL USCGUSCGC Frank Drew (WLM-557)
NKEC USCGUSCGC Monomoy (WPB-1326)
NKFW USCGUSCGC Katherine Walker (WLM-552)
NKIG USCGUSCGC Point Camden (WPB-8237)
NKJU USCGUSCGC Kukui (WLB-203)
NKVQ USCGUSCGC Nantucket (WPB-1316)
NLBI USCGUSCGC Point Swift (WPB-8321)
NLGF USCGUSCGC Northland (WMEC-904)
NLIL USCGUSCGC Bainbridge Island (WPB-1343)
NLKY USCGUSCGC Edisto (WPB-1313)
NLPM USCGUSCGC Chase (WHEC-718)
NLVA USCGUSCGC Point Barnes (WPB-8237)
NLVS USCGUSCGC Rush (WHEC-723)
NLWZ USCGUSCGC Point Nowell (WPB-8236)
NMA USCGFlorida (remotes to CAMSLANT)
NMA10 USCGGroup Mayport, FL
NMA21 USCGGroup St. Petersburg, FL
NMA7 USCGLoran-C station, Jupiter Inlet, FL
NMAG USCGUSCGC Hamilton (WHEC-715)
NMB USCGGroup Charleston, SC
NMC USCGCAMSPAC, Pt. Reyes, CA
NMC11 USCGGroup Humboldt Bay, CA
NME USCGSavannah, GA
NMEL USCGUSCGC Mellon (WHEC-717)
NMF USCGBoston, MA (remotes to CAMSLANT)
NMF2 USCGGroup Woods Hole, MA
NMF31 USCGGroup Portland, ME
NMF32 USCGLoran-C station, Nantucket, MA
NMF33 USCGLoran-C station, Caribou, ME
NMF37 USCGLoran-C station, Carolina Beach, NC
NMF44 USCGGroup Southwest Harbor, ME
NMG USCGNew Orleans, LA (remotes to CAMSLANT)
NMG2 USCGGroup New Orleans, LA
NMGH USCGUSCGC Marcus Hanna (WLM-554)
NMHU USCGUSCGC Blackfin (WPB-8731)
NMHU USCGUSCGC Blacktip (WPB-8732)
NMK USCGGroup/AirSta Atlantic City, NJ
NMMJ USCGUSCGC Sherman (WHEC-720)
NMN USCGCAMSLANT, Chesapeake, VA
NMN13 USCGGroup Cape Hatteras, NC
NMN37 USCGGroup Fort Macon, NC
NMN70 USCGGroup Eastern Shore, VA
NMN80 USCGGroup Hampton Roads, VA
NMO USCGHonolulu, HI (remotes to CAMSPAC)
NMO2 USCGGroup Honolulu, Hawaii
NMQ USCGLong Beach, CA
NMQ9 USCGGroup Long Beach, CA
NMR USCGSan Juan, PR
NMR1 USCGGreater Antilles Section, San Juan, PR
NMUD USCGUSCGC Diligence (WMEC-616)
NMW USCGGroup Astoria, OR
NMY42 USCGGroup Moriches, NY
NNAS USCGUSCGC Escanaba (WMEC-907)
NNHA USCGUSCGC Acushnet (WMEC-167)
NNIA USCGUSCGC William Tate (WLM-560)
 
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Larry W4CSC

I'm getting ready to have a new Icom M-802

Wayne, just for information.......

That crappy PC board connector they expect you to leave out in the weather
on the AT-130 antenna tuner and the crappy CB coax pigtail SO-239 connector
CAN be eliminated at the tuner.....

The control cable pigtail is soldered to some U-shaped wire loops inside
the tuner where the book shows a screw-terminal connection. NOTE WHICH
WIRES GO TO WHICH LOOPS. Unsolder the pigtail from the loops and pull it
out of the tuner's stuffing tubes. Throw it overboard before it cripples
your HF. Cut the plastic plug off the control cable before trying to feed
it through the boat to the tuner. Makes installation MUCH neater and
easier! Run the cable through the now-empty stuffing tube and solder the
appropriate wires directly to the PC board loops you took the crappy
pigtail out of. You do NOT have to remove the PC board to accomplish this.
Just remove the cover off the tuner.

The coax is another matter......

You'd have to remove the whole tuner PC ass'y to replace the coax soldered
to the board. No fun at sea...So.... I cut the coax plug off the tuner's
RG-58 pigtail and pulled the coax back through the stuffing tube inside the
tuner. I cut the coax to a convenient length and put a new cable-mounted
SO-239 connector INSIDE the tuner, where it won't get drown in salt water.
Feed the unconnectored coax through the stuffing tube and put a PL-259
connector on it INSIDE the tuner. Use a piece of shrink tubing to seal the
coax connections and insulate the grounded connectors from touching
anything inside the tuner. Tywrap the connectors to the control cable
right where it comes in from the stuffing tube to secure it from moving
around.

ALL antenna tuner connections are now SEALED inside the environment of the
sealed tuner.....NOT LAYING OUT ON THE DECK OR IN SOME WATER-SOAKED
COMPARTMENT RUSTING AWAY!

M802 is a great radio....

Turn it on and press MODE + TX + 2 together to open its transmitter to FULL
coverage, including 150W on all the ham bands. Do it again to put it back
to marine-only transmit. (I'm afraid to leave it open when I'm not on the
boat for fear my captain will be out-of-band transmitting, probably on BBC
World Service...(c;)

MAKE SURE THE M802 TRANSCEIVER IS NOT WHERE ANY WATER CAN GET ON IT! The
fan sucks sea air into the chassis to corrode everything inside and destroy
it....part of Icom's Planned Obsolescense System, I think. Stupid
design.... I have the transceiver mounted behind the nav panel high up in
the boat above the flooding and the control panel is on the end of the
extra cable mounted in the mahogany panel right by it. Sorry we can't get
rid of the cheap crap connector on the RADIO end of the control cable.
They don't even give you EXTRA PINS for the plug in case you bend
one....how awful. Putting that plug on is the worst part of the job.

If the antenna tuner fails to tune....Unplug and plug that little white
plug into the radio several times and it will...(c;

Connecting M802 to your NMEA system needs to be done through an opto-
isolator. How stupid....a GROUNDED BNC connector, UNBALANCED, for NMEA
data to tell DSC where you are. My optoisolator is in a little box stuck
to the front of the radio....Stupid, Icom...Stupid!
 
L

Larry W4CSC

So, if I am heading offshore, how do I find out if the USCG can copy me?

Telepathy....SSB Telepathy.


A good way is to checkin to the MMSN on 14.300. If you don't have a ham
callsign, well, GET ONE!
 
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Larry W4CSC

chuck said:
Regarding your assertion that "making calls to a
non-specific vessel or unit" for radio checks is prohibited,
it would be useful to consider Section 80.89:

Channel 9.....

"Wappoo Cut Bridge, this is Lionheart, over?"

"Lionheart this is Wappoo Cut Bridge, go ahead?"

"Can you hear me ok, over?"

"Sure, Lionheart. Sounds great."

"Thank you for a great service to all of us. Lionheart out."

(She usually thanks you for saying something nice.)

Bridgetenders are great people. One of them made all the new cushions and
curtains in her home upholstery business for Lionheart! They don't mind
talking to you from their boring jobs, especially if it's not busy.

Too bad many are losing their jobs they've had for so many years....dumped
for the new high bridges.....

FCC Rules permit you to call your favorite bridgetenders on Channel 9
without the CG bitching you out.....(c;
 
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Larry W4CSC

The USCG radio operators in this area do not appear to be all that well
trained.
They stick to boiler-plate dialog such that it takes 5 minutes to
communicate
30 seconds worth of information. In terms of efficiency, hams have them
beat hands down.

Doug, k3qt
s/v CAllista

"What is the name of your vessel?"

(repeat 3-5 times)

"How many are aboard?"

(repeat 5 to 10 times)

"What color is your boat?"

("WHITE GELCOAT YOU IDIOT!")

(repeat 3 to 5 times)

"What is your hull number?"

("How should I know? My wallet is below, DROWNED IN SEAWATER and the hull
numbers are ALREADY UNDERWATER!")

(repeat at least twice....more if you sound pissed.)

"Do you have USCG-approved PFDs aboard for each person?"

("No, we looked hard and found 8 with no tags, but they're floating,
fine.")

(no answer as batteries have flooded)

Problem solved......no report necessary.

("Coast Guard this is Sea Tow. I'm at the scene and will handle it.")

Too bad Sea Tow wasn't monitoring at 3AM or the Morning Dew's kids might
have LIVED! Every time I pass that spot on the Charleston jetties I can
hear that boy screaming from the CG tape.....
 
J

Jack Painter

Larry W4CSC said:
So, tell us how DO you know what area you can hear on your HF net? Noone
transmits for fear of raising your ire. Can you hear Florida today?
Galveston? 100 miles out? 200? 500?

What magic on that dead HF frequency tells you the sun has exploded, again,
and communications is useless? Surely you're not depending on WWV's
propagation forecast, are you?

If we observe the two quiet periods for emergency traffic calls, wouldn't
it be better for everyone involved if you knew what boats/ships are also
your ears and eyes on the frequency, expanding your pitiful little
receiving antenna cross section by several thousand miles? "CG Net this is
WDB-6254, "Lionheart" at 32 24N, 75 12W checkin, no traffic monitoring 802
for next 2 hours." Aha! I can hear a 150W insulated backstay offshore of
Charleston on Channel 802 at this time. HE, on the other hand, will HELP
me monitor the frequency, relaying to areas I cannot hear because of
propagation, any calls that get no answers from me.

What harm have I done to Coast Guard Communications?

They USED to do it on CW, you know! It's how I learned the code when I was
10 in 1956.....(c;

This is precisely why hams "waste bandwidth", as you say.....see?

When I operate from my station, I use every resource available to me, and it
is everything you would expect a radio operator to do. When operating from
the net control of a vast resource of hundreds of antennas and transmitters
and receivers across thousands of miles, supplemented with satellites, there
is no such concern about "will I be able to hear San Juan"? I only have
three antennas and I can get the job done pretty well too from Newfoundland
to South America, day or night. I carefully chose the antennas to do the
job, and 99% of the time I can do it on 125 watts.

You're confusing radio hobbyists who like to chat with each other and feel
accomplishment in their hobby and equipment by reinforcing that they can
talk to the same stations in the same places over, and over and over, with
the reason that ships are at sea, which is not a hobby. Professional
mariners, which make up the overwhelming majority of all high seas
travelers, have no such time or reason to chat on amateur nets or on
official frequencies reserved for hailing and distress.

The real blue water sailors of a hobbyist ilk, have options in a
communication suite that leaves about zero chance that an emergency call
would not be heard and relayed to appropriate authorities. Amateur maritime
mobile service nets make up one small and nonetheless important part of that
but only where pleasure craft or third-world fishing vessels are concerned.

The USCG just finished supervising the rescue of four people far from
Bermuda who set of an EPIRB. Until the good Samaritan vessel directed to the
scene by the Coast Guard arrived tonight, the USCG C-130 had already found
them, and supplied comfort, communications, food, water and blankets, along
with the assuredness that surface rescue was on the way. One EPIRB did that
for them. Where communications came into play was with the USCG's ability to
contact all area vessels and vector the appropriate ones to the scene. I had
no problem hearing every word that was passed to and from the C-130 and if a
major solar flare had happened, they could have changed altitude, changed
frequencies, and as a last resort, used other more expensive forms of
communication. What you allude to is totally unnecessary and serves only the
brotherhood of clubs who need social interaction to remain a coherent
organization. That's not contested or misunderstood by me, but I think you
believe they do this for reasons which modern communicators would find
frivolous. Or fun. Take your pick.

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Virginia
 
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