The first half megawatt

[Peter Franks]

Le 07/04/11 15:34, Peter Franks a écrit :

Well, I use force to put my recalcitant 3 year old to bed because I KNOW
that 11pm is to late for her bed time.

And who forces you to bed?

 

[Peter Franks]

A society makes decisions as to which ways they want to go. That is part of
being a society.

No, that is a democracy.

Do you really think those who get the enormously overwhelming benefit of out
society shouldn't be willing to support the society that got them there?

Do you think that you should steal from them?

You, of course, support the current trend of cutting everything protecting the
lesser among us so all the savings can be passed on to the ultra rich.

Fantasy.

 

[Peter Franks]

Le 06/04/11 15:34, Peter Franks a écrit :

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Maybe; but it will still produce kWh that will offset what he would
otherwise buy of the grid, and the way electricity prices are going,
those offset kWhs are likely to be worth enough to make paying for a new
inverter worthwhile.

That doesn't challenge my reply that PV will not be worth quite a lot in
15 years.

 

[Peter Franks]

At the moment

Then we agree. QED.

not for long.

Hopefully.

As I've said, as soon as it is cost effective, I'm buying. In the
meantime, I have better things to waste my hard-earned $$ on.

 

[Bob F]

Free trade does not mean lawless. That's what the justice system is
for. Free trade means consensual exchanges without force or fraud,
and the justice system protects the rest of us from loons like you. I
won't even mention the 2nd amendment.

There are plenty of things business does that damage others legally. They build
nuclear plants that leak radioactive contaminants. They pollute the air and
water. They produce cigarettes that kill people. They produce all kimds of
products with dangerous defects ...... And few of them ever have to pay for the
damage they do. They do it all in the name of market profits. Society then has
to pay the damages, medical costs, etc.

 

[Bob F]

How did lobbyists cause business profits to hit 60 year records?

What do you think they are hired for? Just out of the good hearts of the
corporations that hire them? Come on - try thinking.

 

[Bob F]

Most of the those I've met at "tea party" functions are calm, rational
people, who are simply fed up with having their wealth redistributed.
We're not dangerous, just determined, quite numerous, and no longer
silent.

How many of them demanded the immediate end to medicare and social security?

"Stop socialized medicine, and hands off my medicare"

 

[Bob F]

The way to protect the environment is to legally prohibit emitting
substances that can be proven harmful. CO2 is not one of those
substances.

Unless you believe every major scientific organization studying the subject.

Please - name a few that disagree.

 

[Peter Franks]

What do you think they are hired for? Just out of the good hearts of the
corporations that hire them? Come on - try thinking.

I know what they are hired for and what the do. I'm asking you to
substantiate your claim that they are responsible for the increase in
business profits.

I don't think that you have an answer.

 

[Bob F]

Why aren't the laws being enforced? Even if your rant above were
true, it would be a failure of the justice system, not the free
market.

The laws are being enforced. They just don't cover all the side effects of the
profit motive and the consequence of ignoring those side effects for profit,
until new regulations and laws finally catch up. Are you really this clueless?

 

[Bob F]

Immediate? Almost none. I think most realize the current system is
unsustainable, and see the exit strategy as meeting all obligations to
those who are currently enrolled or within 10 years or so of
retirement, but allowing restructured plans for others.


I've not seen that sign. You might want to bring it to the next tea
party function and see what people think. You'd most likely be
surprised.

I saw them both on televised coverage of the early "tea patries"

 

[Bob F]

No, that is a democracy.


Do you think that you should steal from them?


Fantasy.

Like Ryan's new budget plan that cuts 3.3 trillion in aid to the needy, social
security, medicare, .... and gives out 3.2 trillion in tax cuts to the rich?

 

[Unum]

I saw them both on televised coverage of the early "tea patries"

Here's a couple of photos;

http://charlesnorth.blogspot.com/2010/04/keep-your-government-hands-off-my.html

 

[Peter Franks]

Like Ryan's new budget plan that cuts 3.3 trillion in aid to the needy, social
security, medicare, .... and gives out 3.2 trillion in tax cuts to the rich?

I don't even know who Ryan is, much less care. Hopefully you have an
argument with some substance. Keep looking, you should find it soon...

 

[Bob F]

I don't even know who Ryan is, much less care. Hopefully you have an
argument with some substance. Keep looking, you should find it
soon...

Don't pay much attention to the news?

 

[Peter Franks]

Don't pay much attention to the news?

New, some; media hype, none. What's your point?

 

[Unum]

New, some; media hype, none. What's your point?

So in fact you don't even bother to keep up with current events. Yet
you have an opinion about them. This similar to your stance on
climate change isn't it.

 

[Giga2]

Further, those 'experts' don't decide a single thing for me. They provide
their expert OPINION and the I DECIDE.

DUH!

Don't you decide *who* to ask for advice rather than whether the advice is
good? At the end of the day all you get some idea of is if you trust that
person, they have a good reputation etc. Eventually you sometimes have to
accept some people do know more than *you* in some areas of life.

 

[Giga2]

I not only listen to them, I'm one of them, along with George Washington:

<http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/1275>

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it
is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

We kinda like him, but I understand if your opinion might differ.

Most of the those I've met at "tea party" functions are calm, rational
people, who are simply fed up with having their wealth redistributed.
We're not dangerous, just determined, quite numerous, and no longer
silent.

I'm a bit of a fan of the teaparty movement to the extent it is a grassroots
movement. You and Washington can carry on beleiving whatever you like, and
even declaring it, even if it is silly.

 

[Giga2]

You appear to be confusing freedom and anarchy.

Funny, that is what you seem to be doing to *me*!

National defense and an
objective legal system are legitimate, primary, functions of government.
Our US Constitution enumerates a few others which are also useful.

Getting something for nothing is not a basic human right, as it leads to
slavery for the actual providers.

So no welfare, education or health programmes?