Skybuck's Dream PC dead again for the (4th?) zillion-th time ?!? (Electrical fault with X-Fi Elite P

[Shaun]

"John Larkin" wrote in message

Hello,

My Dream PC from 2006 just died again, this time I will remain calm since I
am used to it by now.

You are the ravager of PCs. Get an iPad.

John

Skybuck; you obviously don't know what you are doing so let a professional
fix you computer and you never open it up and work inside it. You idiot!
What antivirus program are you using.
If you want a good sound board, look at ASUS soundcards, but nothing from
creative, they're garbage.

Shaun

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Today I disassembled my Dream (nightmare) PC from 2006.

I took a look at the motherboard and there are still many places visible of
"burn" marks.

I'm thinking these burn marks are caused by too hot CPU and too hot GPU.

Another explanation could be wifi/wireless signals but I don't think so.

Another explanation could be leaking current but for now I will assume not.

For now I will assume these burning spots are caused by too hot cpu and too
hot gpu.

Therefore I am now starting to think about declaring this PC dead/burried/a
bad idea from those manufacturers, in others words it's going to have HUGE
consequences.

The new motherboard from asrocks looks real nice everything passively
cooled.

The next step I am going to take is investigate if my AMD X2 3800 processor
is a 85 watt 65 watt or 35 watt version... it's probably the worst one or
maybe the second one... perhaps I can buy a new processor which is 35 watt
or even lower.

Perhaps I will replace everything by a low watt/low tdp components just to
try and prevent motherboard-burn-death in future.

The funny thing is my Pentium III 450 mhz has an FX 5200 of only a few
watts... perhaps one of the best graphics cards nvidia has produced... the
rest can probably be called junk.

Yes you heard it right... all other nvidia cards are junk... especially the
latest and greatest cards, these will eventuelly destroy your computer....
that's something I am not going to let happen anymore.

Therefore I hereby declare CUDA dead, I declare nvidia dead, unless they can
come up with something that uses less watts... it will probably be a matter
of time before the rest of the world catches on, pretty much literally... I
expect their iphones to catch fire or burn out in the near future as well...
so they gonna burn and crash pretty hard...

I am looking forward to Windows 8 on arm but it's still a bit far away...
some say arm processor will become hotter as well if they need more
performance... time will tell

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Nobody > (Revisited)]

I don't really know why I'm doing this, but I think it's mostly to help
other people who may find this thread and think "Skybuck Flying" is
anything other than a raving loon.

Using the "inline reply format, here's my take on this.

As added tidbits:
1) This was a "2006" build by a loon. Even with "most things done wrong
(as is usual with Skybuck), if it lasted *this* long without some
preventative maintenance, the original hardware was OK.

2) "Skybuck Flying" is well-known for shooting himself in his
pooter/brain and other places.

Word of warning, never let this Skybuck clown within a mile of you, your
pooter, or any electrical equipment you need. All of those (including
your brain) will fall victim of Murphy's Law and gremlins.

Today I disassembled my Dream (nightmare) PC from 2006.

If assembled by you, the "nightmare" is appropriate.

I took a look at the motherboard and there are still many places visible of
"burn" marks.

Do you have any clue what a true "burn mark" is? (I do). Pictures would
help prove me wrong (as if this would happen?)

Many circuit boards do show some evidence of heat issues after a while.
Most of the time, it's just the top coating that may darken or change.
That's normal.

I've seen "critical infrastucture"circuit boards (as in generator
controls for hydroelectric plants) with holes completely burnt thru them
(look thru them?) underneath power resistors. Did they fail? NO.

I'm thinking these burn marks are caused by too hot CPU and too hot GPU.

Skybuck is well-known for reading the overclocker's various forums and
parroting.

Another explanation could be wifi/wireless signals but I don't think so.

Total bushwa from Skybuck's usual "ooh-wee-oo land".
The power level from either is about down 100 dBmo to do any heat
damage. (exercise for those who don't know dBs, google it)

A military ECM jammer could probably smoke Skybuck's pooter (and
hopefully him with it), but it would have to be beamed and targeted (as
in laser designated) to do so.

Another explanation could be leaking current but for now I will assume not.

Another Skybuck "maybe". "leak current" does exist, but never seen in a
consumer-level pooter.

For now I will assume these burning spots are caused by too hot cpu and too
hot gpu.

"ASSUME makes an ASS out of Skybuck". It's you..

Therefore I am now starting to think about declaring this PC dead/burried/a
bad idea from those manufacturers, in others words it's going to have HUGE
consequences.

"Mommy, dose vendor people made my pooter do a boo-boo".

The new motherboard from asrocks looks real nice everything passively
cooled.

I pity the folks at Asrock support.

The next step I am going to take is investigate if my AMD X2 3800 processor
is a 85 watt 65 watt or 35 watt version... it's probably the worst one or
maybe the second one... perhaps I can buy a new processor which is 35 watt
or even lower.

Kinda funny how vendors can offer AMD's late procs in even the 85-95
watt dissipation level in totally fanless MicroATX format... but then I
hope Skybuck never buys from them.

Perhaps I will replace everything by a low watt/low tdp components just to
try and prevent motherboard-burn-death in future.

I don't think such exists that's "Skybuck-proof"

The funny thing is my Pentium III 450 mhz has an FX 5200 of only a few
watts... perhaps one of the best graphics cards nvidia has produced... the
rest can probably be called junk.

Sez you..

Yes you heard it right... all other nvidia cards are junk... especially the
latest and greatest cards, these will eventuelly destroy your computer....
that's something I am not going to let happen anymore.

I'm not an Nvidia fanboi, but I don't think I've very seen *any* pooter
directly destroyed by *any* video card if installed correctly.

The "correctly" disallows the clowns who put bad-ass gamer cards into
boxes that can't handle them and the other big goofs.

Therefore I hereby declare CUDA dead, I declare nvidia dead, unless they can
come up with something that uses less watts... it will probably be a matter
of time before the rest of the world catches on, pretty much literally... I
expect their iphones to catch fire or burn out in the near future as well...
so they gonna burn and crash pretty hard...

Another "big fucking WHAAA".

I am looking forward to Windows 8 on arm but it's still a bit far away...
some say arm processor will become hotter as well if they need more
performance... time will tell


Bye,
Skybuck.

--
"Shit this is it, all the pieces do fit.
We're like that crazy old man jumping
out of the alleyway with a baseball bat,
saying, "Remember me motherfucker?"
Jim “Dandy” Mangrum

 

[Skybuck Flying]

The next step I am going to take is investigate if my AMD X2 3800

processor is a 85 watt 65 watt or 35 watt version... it's probably the
worst one or maybe the second one... perhaps I can buy a new processor
which is 35 watt or even lower.

Yeah as I expected it's the close to 90 watt processor, it's way too hot and
it will need to be replaced.

This is the exact model I have:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (code name manchester, 90 nm)

ADA3800DAA5BV:

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Athlon 64 X2 3800+ - ADA3800DAA5BV (ADA3800BVBOX).html

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Nothing wrong with my building skills, even a monkey can put together a
PC... that's not the problem !

It's the components them selfes that suck... perhaps at the time there was
little choice, later on came AM2 sockets which had much lower TDP processors
(35 watt instead of socket 939 90 watt)

Perhaps those 90 watt processors should never have been produced in the
first place !

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Del Cecchi]

I've seen "critical infrastucture"circuit boards (as in generator
controls for hydroelectric plants) with holes completely burnt thru them
(look thru them?) underneath power resistors. Did they fail? NO.

If so, then the designer of the board was an incompetent fool, and
should be fired or at least given some extra training. Power resistors
need to be derated or specially mounted to keep them from burning the
board. A 10 watt resistor cannot dissipate 10 watts when mounted on a
pc board. Sheesh.snip

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt]

Nothing wrong with my building skills, even a monkey can put together a
PC... that's not the problem !

It's the components them selfes that suck... perhaps at the time there was
little choice, later on came AM2 sockets which had much lower TDP processors
(35 watt instead of socket 939 90 watt)

Perhaps those 90 watt processors should never have been produced in the
first place !

Bye,
Skybuck.

I'll bet that over 85% of every electronic device failure you ever had
was YOU and an ESD event.

Why? Because you are clueless about everything else, so you being
clueless about ESD protection practices and procedures is pretty much a
given.

On this, I would place a bet.

Sorry, but "any monkey" would put the retard that you are to shame.

 

[Nobody > (Revisited)]

If so, then the designer of the board was an incompetent fool, and
should be fired or at least given some extra training. Power resistors
need to be derated or specially mounted to keep them from burning the
board. A 10 watt resistor cannot dissipate 10 watts when mounted on a pc
board. Sheesh.

Think single-side/no layer PC boards from the 60's thru the early 80's..

I take it that you haven't dealt with stuff that's 15-20 years past it's
own design life? It's not really an excuse for the original designer,
but that's the reality of where much of the critical stuff is at today.
In the above, it's often that the "burner board" was installed in a
"control cabinet" that was 90+% "empty space". There was no
airflow/cooling issues then. That same "control cabinet" has been
stuffed to the gills with added gear until there was not enough airflow
to stop the burn.

I'm sharing some of the guilt on that, guess who put all the extra crap
in? (Usually under protest). If you can't get the real estate, you do
this crap.

I've seen some of those boards in "updated versions", the fix was to cut
a window in the board underneath where the burns occurred. Crude, but it
works.

But in the end run, those burns seldom resulted in a true fail. All we
did was carve out the burn with a knife if we could swap it out or take
it off-line, and that was mainly for looks.





--
"Shit this is it, all the pieces do fit.
We're like that crazy old man jumping
out of the alleyway with a baseball bat,
saying, "Remember me motherfucker?"
Jim “Dandy” Mangrum

 

[Skybuck Flying]

I think the real cause of dead is probably "reset" related, but some dumbass
I ever spoke to said he didn't believe that... but he was wrong about other
very basic things as well.

This motherboard probably died from one reset too many... I saw a gigabyte
motherboard pretty much die the same way... so it almost seems there must be
some thruth too it...

Somehow resets cause electronic components to wear out faster.

However to be on the safe side lowering temperatures seems wise too...
perhaps high temperature plus many resets leads to early system death.

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

That explains the "current" situation perfectly.

Don't want any nasty shocks.

Hmm apperently "current" situation (1) can indeed create a buzzing/humming
effect and can even lead to eletricution danger !

According to this wikipedia link for english people !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_(electricity)

It mentions the connecting all stuff to one group to make things a little
bit better. (As drawn in situation 2 ?! I hope it helps)

So the point could be: I probably shocked my PC/motherboard to death (which
motherboard component is most likely to fail from something like that ???) !
=D But I bet it would have probably failed a few months/years later from
heat as well...

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Ok,

I understand this now a bit better...

Apperently all this time there was 120 volts on my PC casing because it
wasn't grounded... this is apperently standard...

I have probably felt this tingling before... I used to touch my pc case
believing that it could help get rid of static electricity I thought the
static electricity would travel to my body so I could pass it on to
something else... that was pretty stupid.

But because it's a "fluctuating voltage" apperently it's not dangerous for
"healthy human beings".

However I am a bit skeptical about that... perhaps this 120 volts gave me
swellings inside my body... so I will investigate that further later....

Well all equipment is powered by 240 volts which gets divided by 2... so
receiver also on 120 volts casing I guess...

So somewhere somehow some potential difference accord... now I go read on...


Bye,
Skybuck

 

[Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers]

Think single-side/no layer PC boards from the 60's thru the early 80's..

Wrong again. Note where he stated "specially mounted".

I can guarantee you that your 60s examples were elevated OFF the
circuit board itself. That IS a "special" mounting case, and is NOT the
standard.

So, like he said, there has NEVER been a case where an engineer with
any brains ever mounted a power element in proximity to a material
subject to damage from heat, as circuit boards are.

Even a half watt device should be elevated to provide space between
itself (the heat source) and the support substrate for its mounting nodes
(circuit board pads, vias, etc.. Sometimes, even the mounting nodes need
to be bolstered in one way or another to sink heat better.

 

[I AM THAT I AM]

Somehow resets cause electronic components to wear out faster.

Hahahahahahahahahahahah!

Only for folks with your Karma.

 

[FatBytestard]

Ok,

I understand this now a bit better...

Apperently all this time there was 120 volts on my PC casing because it
wasn't grounded... this is apperently standard...

I have probably felt this tingling before... I used to touch my pc case
believing that it could help get rid of static electricity I thought the
static electricity would travel to my body so I could pass it on to
something else... that was pretty stupid.

But because it's a "fluctuating voltage" apperently it's not dangerous for
"healthy human beings".

However I am a bit skeptical about that... perhaps this 120 volts gave me
swellings inside my body... so I will investigate that further later....

Well all equipment is powered by 240 volts which gets divided by 2... so
receiver also on 120 volts casing I guess...

So somewhere somehow some potential difference accord... now I go read on...


Bye,
Skybuck

AN ESD event can be at as low a voltage as 20 volts. If you have
floating grounds and such all over the place, then it is most certainly
YOU that has been frying ALL of your hardware.

An ESD event does not cause immediate failures in many cases.

Your biggest problem is that you do NOT know what you are doing.

 

[Sarah E. Bailey]

Today I disassembled my Dream (nightmare) PC from 2006.

I took a look at the motherboard and there are still many places visible of
"burn" marks.

I'm thinking these burn marks are caused by too hot CPU and too hot GPU.

Rest of ramble removed.

Hi Skybuck.

I've followed your antics over the last few years and can only think that it's
your instinct for instantly jumping to totally unfounded and unrelated
conclusions to perceived problems that produce all your troubles in the first
place! I can't for the life of me understand how you manage to destroy so much
computer hardware.

Before you do anything else, get your home rewired with Euro standard Schuko
type F Earthed sockets. That will help with your suspected 120V floating cases
problem, although why you should think the Euro standard 230 Volt mains supply
will get divided by 2 seems strange to me.

I've been running what is essentially the same motherboard as you (an Asus A8N
SLi Deluxe) with an AMD Opteron 170 Dual core processor (90W) overclocked to
2.75GHz since 2006, in a smaller Cooler Master Centurion 531 case, with 5
harddiscs, a DVD ReWriter and a 3½" combined floppy drive/memory card reader. I
use The similar nVidia 7900GS video card, and a Seasonic 600W PSU to run that
lot. The only thing I don't have is a separate sound card in there, although I
did at one time run a second 7900GS card in SLi mode, but didn't find it made
much difference.

The only problem that I've ever had with it is that the Deluxe motherboard,
unlike your Premium version which has a heatpipe, suffered from dying chipset
fans, so I rigged a small 60mm fan attached to the video card cover to blow
onto the heatsink of the chipset, from which I'd removed the fan. Since then
it's been fine!

I'm going to build my new i7 system in the very same Antec 1200 case that you
use now. That case is HUGE!!! How you can possibly get your system to overheat
in that I cannot imagine!

Unless you really do have so much money that you can afford to throw even more
away on yet another new system to wreck, I'd suggest that you take the advice
of myself and others here lately, and buy yourself a Dell or something else
readymade, and have the case welded shut!

Having said that, I would miss the comedy to be had from your future posts!

Best of luck though.

Pixiecherub.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Rest of ramble removed.

Oooohhh =D

Hi Skybuck.

Hello there Sarah ! A girl/woman which knows stuff about computerrrrsss
that's rare ! =D

I've followed your antics over the last few years and can only think that
it's

You have, have you ?! =D Well I am glad you enjoyed it secretly ! =D

your instinct for instantly jumping to totally unfounded and unrelated

It's not my instinct, usually I try to find most likely cause, but since I
know very little about electronics I simply shutgon the shit out of it with
all kinds of whacky theories... I mostly to do this to be able to tell the
bad from the good... bad people will believe the shit... good people will
not... though sometimes I might even be on to something or inspire people to
think outside the box

conclusions to perceived problems that produce all your troubles in the
first

Your theory that my conclusions are unfounded and unrelated are interesting
and therefore I investigated it based on my messaging archive and am still
investigating it further... it will discuss down below further.

Some of the problems I saw a real like dust build up and perhaps also heat
build up but if these problems actually lead to system death remains to be
seen/proven.

place! I can't for the life of me understand how you manage to destroy so
much
computer hardware.

Neither can I though I have indicated sometimes that most likely cause of
failure was electrical damage somehow and not necessarily heat related... I
plan on replacing the bad wall sockets with grounded wall sockets to try and
rule out that possible cause of damage. I shall have to consult my "land
lord" or "appartment rent seller" or whatever it's called in english if it's
wise to do so... I will probably try and do so anyway... unless a grounding
cable is not available... then it becomes a bit of a problem... but my
kitchen has grounding cables it seems... so the first real possibility which
comes to mind is using a really long power extension cord but then it would
run a little bit through my kitchen and over my floor but it wouldn't be too
much of a problem to actually do that. Except that one plug would be upside
down in the kitchen there are two holes available... and the bottom already
used by magnetron/wave so that plug is a bit in the way or something, and if
new plug is upside down it might get loose, so it would depend on the plug's
shape if it's possible or not safely... but there are probably power
extension boxes/plugs which are shaped nicely so they can fit in any
direction/any hole.

Before you do anything else, get your home rewired with Euro standard
Schuko
type F Earthed sockets.

Yeah this is a good plan... before I do anything else I need to fix my home
first which might be the cause of all damage.

That will help with your suspected 120V floating cases
problem, although why you should think the Euro standard 230 Volt mains
supply
will get divided by 2 seems strange to me.

The case's power connector or something... divides it in two... maybe to
fluctuate between +120 and -120 volts... which might be safer in case of
touching it... the mussles don't go in one way but both ways which makes it
easier to let go when human put under charge.

The circuit is explained here, but it doesn't completely explain why it
divides it in two... but I read another webpage which mentioned that this
might be safer for mussles so maybe that's why... (not

http://www.radionics.demon.nl/pc_aarden/aarding.html

This page is dutch explains "fluctuating power" is better then "steady
power".

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektrocutie

I've been running what is essentially the same motherboard as you (an Asus
A8N
SLi Deluxe) with an AMD Opteron 170 Dual core processor (90W) overclocked
to

According to this wikipedia webpage it has a TDP of 110W so to me it seems a
bit dangerous to overclock it

2.75GHz since 2006, in a smaller Cooler Master Centurion 531 case, with 5

Only 2.75 GHz ? Mine is 2x2.0 GHz ! =D

That case is alluminium and buckles fast, not a good property to have for
the daughtercards/extensioncards they might pop out.

harddiscs, a DVD ReWriter and a 3½" combined floppy drive/memory card
reader. I

Why 5 harddisks what you doing with it, collecting porn ?! =D

use The similar nVidia 7900GS video card, and a Seasonic 600W PSU to run
that

Not sure how much that card uses in power and outputs but my guess would be
60 watt or so... my gtx 7900 seems to be 80 watt or so. Watt=heat.

lot. The only thing I don't have is a separate sound card in there,
although I

No sound card ? But your motherboard does have onboard audio ?! So do you
play any games ?

I guess you have a "simple" stereo device connected to it, while I have had
a gigawork s750, which is about 7x80 watts or so... which is a lot of power
being attached to my pc in a way... and later on a receiver which is also
about that wattage... so there is another power hungry device at play in my
situation.

did at one time run a second 7900GS card in SLi mode, but didn't find it
made
much difference.

I did too with two gtx 7900 it helped in cod4 with +10 to +20 fps or so...as
well in battlefield 2 +5 fps or so.
But that's a lot of extra heat so I got rid of it in favor of soundcard
which was in between too.
So instead went with one card.

Why did you remove it anyway ?

The only problem that I've ever had with it is that the Deluxe
motherboard,
unlike your Premium version which has a heatpipe, suffered from dying
chipset
fans,

Could be a sign of heat trouble... the oil in the fan probably dried up
causing it to fail... perhaps in combination with added dust and micro-dirty
making it stuck or so.

so I rigged a small 60mm fan attached to the video card cover to blow
onto the heatsink of the chipset, from which I'd removed the fan. Since
then
it's been fine!

Sounds like the trouble I had with my chieftec case at the time which got
replaced by the antec 1200.

How did you manage to "rig" that fan in there ? How did you attach it ?!? A
picture of it would be nice to see ! =D

I'm going to build my new i7 system in the very same Antec 1200 case that
you

I would not recommend the i7 because it's a very hot chip... instead I would
go with one of the low powered Core i5 chips... the low powered chips work
just as fast but they are a bit more expensive. I would go with the 35 watt
versions instead of the 90 watt or even higher versions... My pentium III
450 mhz was 35 watt and it's still working after something like 13 years or
so ?!?

use now. That case is HUGE!!! How you can possibly get your system to
overheat
in that I cannot imagine!

This case has dust and slight sound issue's... putting it on all high fan
speed will make a lot of sound...

Medium fan speed gives nice airflow but it's not an "all fixer" tool...
things obstructing the airflow can still lead to higher temperatures which I
wouldn't feel comfortable with like +40 motherboard temperatures and +45 cpu
temperatures.

The dust filters also get easily stuffed with dust... all these fans causing
lot's of dust... I live in dusty place... I don't vacuum clean that often...
therefore this case and this "over powered pc" might not have been a too
smart idea for me... but I wanted to give it a try... I had loads of fun
with it, that puts smile on my face... but it also caused some shitty
situations like now... all in all it was worth it from the fun
perspective... but I have one little problem... I would like to keep it
alive... and in that regards it kinda sux... I am also getting "old" I am
not really old... but my energy levels a bit low... perhaps I should
excersice more and perhaps I will... but I am getting a bit fed up with
having to "fix" this computer every time... it just takes a lot of time to
figure out what to do about it... so I hope to fix it... and hopefully once
and for all... but I fear that won't happen... but at least I can try and
make things better a little bit.

The dust creates extra risks:

1. Cannot put case on ground... if you would... it would suck up a lot of
dust I bet ! Thus must be placed on desk... hitting desk could lead to
harddisk damage... so it has risks... overall it's probably better to buy a
case which can be placed on the ground and therefore I would still consider
this antec 1200 a bad case in general... that's why this heat issue might
not even be a direct problem... but it's leading to all kinds of other
problems... which might ultimately lead to serious problems... like
overheat, cleaning issues, static elec issue's and perhaps even fire.

2. Having to clean the case and open it to get dust filters out (cpu/window
dust filter) and pulling out harddisk trays to get near the front dust
filters introduces further risks: damage risk to hd when pulling it out...
and static electricity risks. I even vaccuum cleaned it a little bit which
is dangerous because of static elec coming from it but I kept it at distance
few centimeters but who knows... elec might still jump over.

3. Low fan speed might still not be enough, especially in summer... my place
gets 7 degrees to 10 degrees hotter in summer... so that might be big
difference compared to your situation if you life in a cool place ! =D
Fortunately antec 1200 has "high speed" so that can fight the heat a bit

4. Large cpu coolers are a bad idea... they obstruct more airflow then they
solve... especially the passive cpu heatsinks.

5. CPU heatsinks/gpu heatsinks get full with dust and might reduce
effectiveness and might create hotspots.

Unless you really do have so much money that you can afford to throw even
more

I don't wanna spent to much money because then I would look like a fool !
=D

away on yet another new system to wreck, I'd suggest that you take the
advice

I'd rather not get a full new system... I am starting to run out of space to
place it... though I'd very much like a new core i5 processor and cuda
gpu... but I spent so much money on my dream pc that I should probably stick
with it for another few years just to keep the trend going... the trend is
5000 bucks per PC per 5 years... I sort of spent near 12.000 bucks/gulders
(6.000 euro's) on this PC in 5 years... bucks=was gulders... but because of
the euro it was doubled... didn't really realize that until I bought the
system lol ! =D so I guess I went way over budget !

of myself and others here lately, and buy yourself a Dell or something
else

I'm afraid a Dell has way to many driver issue's, perhaps shitty hardware
issue and would be way to weak for my purposes and then I would get annoyed
with it real fast, start hitting it and then it would die ! =D

readymade, and have the case welded shut!

I like this idea of welding it shut... unfortunately then I can't add
harddrives, which is a nice thing to do

Having said that, I would miss the comedy to be had from your future
posts!

Don't worry about that... lot's of comedy will always be coming forth from
me

Best of luck though.

Thank you, I wish you lot's of luck with your new system as well... are you
getting nervous with your current system, or you scared it will die too, are
you having nightmares about the dead cpu fan ? Why are you building a new
system ?

I can't advice you on a better case since I haven't looked into it yet...
but if I were to buy a new case I would try to buy one which I can place on
the ground... maybe I would even buy extra long cables so I can keep it away
from me as far as possible... and I would try to place the case somewhere
where there is little dust build up... but dust usually creeps and lands
near stuff anyway.. Also the human body sheds dust particles and these get
sucked into the system if it's near a human being... so it would be better
to try and keep the pc as far away as possible... There was a huge ammount
of dust in the antec 1200 case... I don't like that one bit ! Some dust
is ok but this was a bit (too?!) much.

Also if you do decide to get it... then be sure to remove the inside plastic
near the third fan duct... there is this special black removeable thingy...
it's only there to hold internal fans... if you don't need/place internal
fan then it's probably better to remove it... for better airflow

Pixiecherub.

Is this your little secret pseudoname ?

Also I don't meet that many woman that know stuff about computers... it
would be interesting to see how you look like

If you wanna see how I look then send me a picture of yourself to: skybuck
2000 at hotmail dot com... If I like what I see I might send you a picture
back of myself Perhaps with a little text which would read: "Hi there
Sarah E ! =D" so you know it's real... if possible you should do same
thing and make special picture which reads: "Hi there Skybuck, it's me Sarah
! =D".

You don't have to get on it immediatly... for all I care you spent this in a
couple of months... if you never send it that's ok too ! =D

I do wonder how old you are ?! If you don't wanna share a picture then
perhaps you wanna tell us how old you are ? But I guess that's a bit of an
indecent question to ask a woman ! =D

I googled you a bit and I also saw you use RISC OS ?! Never heard of it but
read up onto it... and it seems kinda interesting... old/under
powered/developed/few features... but still kinda interesting... perhaps
if/when I get my PC working again I might give it a try with bootable vhd's
or virtual pc's/vmware/emulatators or so... to see what it is and how it
works etc... I probably won't be too impressed by it... but still fun to
give it a try out of curiosity.

Take care and may your electronically enhanced bra lift you towards
un-imaginable success ! =D

Bye,
Skybra =D

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Hhmm... I wrote that I would explain my investigations and what I learned
from it further but failed to do so... the posting was already long so
didn't do it... but I will in this follow up post... first a remark about my
picture request... I am mostly interested in your face and how you look
it... now onto the investigation report:

In short:

In 2008 my system/dream pc was acting weird, it was still using the chieftec
case... the weird behaviour was probably caused by a defect memory chip... I
didn't know at the time... I wasn't happy with the chieftec case... it was
humming and was too hot for my liking... so I replaced it with the antec
1200... also removed one graphics cards after a few days or so... two months
later or so I discovered the bad memory chip and rma-ed it... and got two
new ones for free from corsair.

The same motherboard that I suspected of being fried was still being used...
this surprised me today... it had the "burn" marks back in 2008, so it might
have been burned by the chieftec case as well... for now I will assume the
"shock" from the receiver caused it to die... I also found a little hair on
it while it was on my table... but I suspect that hair land on it after I
assembled it... hairs can cause system failures... but I don't think this is
the case of it... perhaps I will test later to be sure...

Conclusion:

So far there is no real hard evidence that heat caused any deaths at all, it
could all be electro-shock related, your system which must be running very
hot could be further prove of this that heat inside a pc does not
necessarily have to be a bad thing.

However the gigaworks s750 sound system died as well, could also be
shock-related, however an electronics repair dude says it could also be heat
related.

For now the main difference with my previous systems is much more heat and
especially the receiver/second high power device attached to it... my
previous pc's did not have a receiver attached to them... nor a gigaworks...
so this new sound system situation could have lead to these deaths.

Therefore it seems wise to replace wall power sockets with grounded wall
sockets, hopefully that will not cause new issue's... I have already read
that it can... I have to read up on those potential issue's... one issue is
"ground loop" ?

So I am not ready yet to replace wall sockets... first I have to read up
onto potential disadventages and risks

So far it seems to at least be a more safe idea for me/humans to have
grounded wall power sockets.

(Perhaps what's good/safe for humans is also safe for electronics ! =D)

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Dr. Von Peebles]

Is this your little secret pseudoname ?

Also I don't meet that many woman that know stuff about computers... it
would be interesting to see how you look like

If you wanna see how I look then send me a picture of yourself to: skybuck
2000 at hotmail dot com... If I like what I see I might send you a picture
back of myself Perhaps with a little text which would read: "Hi there
Sarah E ! =D" so you know it's real... if possible you should do same
thing and make special picture which reads: "Hi there Skybuck, it's me Sarah
! =D".

You don't have to get on it immediatly... for all I care you spent this in a
couple of months... if you never send it that's ok too ! =D

I do wonder how old you are ?! If you don't wanna share a picture then
perhaps you wanna tell us how old you are ? But I guess that's a bit of an
indecent question to ask a woman ! =D

I googled you a bit and I also saw you use RISC OS ?! Never heard of it but
read up onto it... and it seems kinda interesting... old/under
powered/developed/few features... but still kinda interesting... perhaps
if/when I get my PC working again I might give it a try with bootable vhd's
or virtual pc's/vmware/emulatators or so... to see what it is and how it
works etc... I probably won't be too impressed by it... but still fun to
give it a try out of curiosity.

Take care and may your electronically enhanced bra lift you towards
un-imaginable success ! =D

Bye,
Skybra =D

d00d! u snd lik a virgin! u need too get fooked!!!!!

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Hahahahahahahahahahahah!

Only for folks with your Karma.

Remember it's still not certain what killed and therefore I will give you
the same response as I did towards that other "imbecile":

"I dare you to reset your PC/motherboard ten-thousand times continously !
=D"

And then we'll talk... ! =D

Asstwat ! =D
^ I added that part just for you ! =D

Bye,
Skybuck =D

 

[Skybuck Flying]

d00d! u snd lik a virgin! u need too get fooked!!!!!

Are there any non-virgins in these newsgroups ?! =D LOL.

Anyway, why do you think I sound like a virgin ?! =D
(What part of it was it exactly that makes you believe this ? )

Bye,
Skybuck =D