Semi-OT: How to throttle a AMD Turion?

[SioL]

I think there would be a market. For 30% of the engineers that I know a laptop is their main workhorse. Same here. Heck, I even do
Gerber checks on them now even though the big monitor in the office would be easier.

VIA x86 cpus are very low-power, mine is passive-cooled for example.
They have what, 0.1% market share? I guess the market is pretty limited.

S

 

[Joerg]

VIA x86 cpus are very low-power, mine is passive-cooled for example.
They have what, 0.1% market share? I guess the market is pretty limited.

Or they don't put in enough marketing effort

 

[SioL]

Or they don't put in enough marketing effort

Or balls to really give it a try

I suspect its just too whimpy, it feels slow even for assembler / notebook / avrstudio /
notepad kind of work (even alt-tab between apps feels slow).

SioL

 

[Joerg]

Or balls to really give it a try

I suspect its just too whimpy, it feels slow even for assembler / notebook / avrstudio /
notepad kind of work (even alt-tab between apps feels slow).

Maybe because this whole Windows stuff has bloated so much. Back in the
good old days of DOS I could run several serious apps via a DOS
multitasker. On the old Compaq it was blazingly fast even when I
throttled the 486 to 25MHz.

Flatulent software is not just a problem in Redmond. Once I tried
OpenOffice and immediately gave up. It bogged down the PC so much that
everything else came to a crawl. Hate to admit it, but MS-Word is a heck
of a lot more efficient than OO-Writer. I often run Word for module spec
writing on a 5+ year old laptop, plus CAD, plus Gerber View, plus web
browser, plus email client. When I tried that with OO everything just
stalled. "This program does not respond..."

 

[SioL]

Flatulent software is not just a problem in Redmond. Once I tried OpenOffice and immediately gave up. It bogged down the PC so
much that everything else came to a crawl. Hate to admit it, but MS-Word is a heck of a lot more efficient than OO-Writer. I often
run Word for module spec writing on a 5+ year old laptop, plus CAD, plus Gerber View, plus web browser, plus email client. When I
tried that with OO everything just stalled. "This program does not respond..."

My favourite is one of those HP do-it-all-network printer drivers, > 400MB of bloatware
for a printer (with scanner & fax). On top of things it is very slow (when it works)
so I just use the normal printer part.
I'll bet you it is java based, that's why also OO is so bloated and cpu-ram-hungry.

SioL

 

[krw]

My favourite is one of those HP do-it-all-network printer drivers, > 400MB of bloatware
for a printer (with scanner & fax). On top of things it is very slow (when it works)
so I just use the normal printer part.

The software for my HP scanner is around 240MB, but it includes all
the "photoshopping" software too. It's actually quite a good basic
package. I was surprised how well the "automatic" panorama part
worked. It's not slow at all (unless the resolution is cranked up).

I'll bet you it is java based, that's why also OO is so bloated and cpu-ram-hungry.

Java <> OO. OO does not imply bloated.

 

[SioL]

The software for my HP scanner is around 240MB, but it includes all
the "photoshopping" software too. It's actually quite a good basic
package. I was surprised how well the "automatic" panorama part
worked. It's not slow at all (unless the resolution is cranked up).

Lucky for you. Not so lucky for lots of really pissed off folks out there,
google for "HP printer driver bloatware" and you'll see what they think.

Java <> OO. OO does not imply bloated.

I hate M$ just as much as the next guy, but I tried OO and I did not like it, it was slow
and unstable at the time. It does use Java (requires JRE). Java does imply slow and
bloated. So it follows OO is bloated

SioL

 

[krw]

Lucky for you. Not so lucky for lots of really pissed off folks out there,
google for "HP printer driver bloatware" and you'll see what they think.

I've only been using it for a few days, but so far I'm quite
impressed. At high resolutions it's not the fastest, but ya' gotta
expect that the transfer of a few hundred megabytes will take some
time.

I hate M$ just as much as the next guy, but I tried OO and I did not like it, it was slow
and unstable at the time. It does use Java (requires JRE). Java does imply slow and
bloated. So it follows OO is bloated

I misunderstood you incorrectly. I thought OO == "Object Oriented".
I believe you mean Open Office. I agree that "Open Office" is
bloated. What do you want? It's a clone of "MS Office". I much
prefer Frame for document entry but it's not exactly pervasive

 

[Joerg]

krw wrote:


[...]

I paid about $1200 for each of my ThinkPad T60s. Both of them have
the higher resolution screens (1400x1050 and 1690x1050). Some sub-
models are cheaper, some more. The dock was under $300, so... The
T's have a metal (titanium) top but I don't think I'd let the cargo
gorillas at it.

Don't know if they are related after the IBM sale but yesterday I saw a
Lenovo laptop at a client. Nice display size but the plastic enclosure
was way too flimsy around the keyboard for my taste.

Do you know which model? My T60 is a little flimsy on the left side
of the keyboard. It seems like it's missing a latch or something. My
wife's (same model, but widescreen) seems solid. I don't remember my
T42p or A21p having that problem either.

Ok, I looked. It's the model "3000 N100", whatever that means. Performs
quite well but I don't like the rather thin plastic enclosure. Pretty
sure it wouldn't survive my kind of field exposure for long.

[...]

 

[krw]

krw wrote:



Ok, I looked. It's the model "3000 N100", whatever that means. Performs
quite well but I don't like the rather thin plastic enclosure. Pretty
sure it wouldn't survive my kind of field exposure for long.

The Lenovo 3000 series aren't ThinkPads. They're the "consumer" line
from Lenovo. I've never seen one so can't comment further.

 

[Joerg]

The Lenovo 3000 series aren't ThinkPads. They're the "consumer" line
from Lenovo. I've never seen one so can't comment further.

That's why I wrote Lenovo ;-)

Does this mean IBM kept the part of their PC business that produces
Thinkpads?

 

[krw]

That's why I wrote Lenovo ;-)

ThinkPads are Lenovo too, even though they still have the IBM logo in
the corner.

Does this mean IBM kept the part of their PC business that produces
Thinkpads?

No, IBM sold all lines of x86 desktops and laptops to Lenovo. The
deal was that Lenovo can use the name "ThinkPad" and the IBM logo for
five years from the date of sale. IBM also continues to market
ThinkPads for this period. This keeps the corporate customers happy
and the money rolling.

 

[Joerg]

ThinkPads are Lenovo too, even though they still have the IBM logo in
the corner.

I believe this one doesn't have an IBM logo.

No, IBM sold all lines of x86 desktops and laptops to Lenovo. The
deal was that Lenovo can use the name "ThinkPad" and the IBM logo for
five years from the date of sale. IBM also continues to market
ThinkPads for this period. This keeps the corporate customers happy
and the money rolling.

Wow, they must really trust them. Otherwise, letting someone use their
corporate logo can become dicey.

I like the big wide screen of this Lenovo. But other than that whenever
I turn around from it and start typing on my Twinhead it feels like
stepping from an economy car into a Mercedes Benz. That Durabook was
only around $1000 but it is a lot more sturdy.

 

[krw]

I believe this one doesn't have an IBM logo.

Right. ThinkPads have the IBM logo (at least all I've seen), 3000s
don't.

Wow, they must really trust them. Otherwise, letting someone use their
corporate logo can become dicey.

The brands have far more value than the designs. The five years
gives Lenovo a chance to build their own brands while IBM retains
its.

I like the big wide screen of this Lenovo.

I bought a wide screen T60 for my wife. Mine is a 9:5 T60 but it's a
year old and they didn't have 15.4" wide screens then. I thought the
14" wide screen was a little small.

But other than that whenever
I turn around from it and start typing on my Twinhead it feels like
stepping from an economy car into a Mercedes Benz. That Durabook was
only around $1000 but it is a lot more sturdy.

Like I said, I've never seen a 3000 so can't comment. I've seen a
LOT of ThinkPads. Other than the "iSeries" (absolute junk) I've
liked them. The Rxx models look a little clunky too.

 

[Jasen]

That's why I wrote Lenovo ;-)

Does this mean IBM kept the part of their PC business that produces
Thinkpads?

New thinkpads come out of Asia with both Lenovo and IBM markings.

Bye.
Jasen