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N Cook

For tying up mains leads on equipment, tight to the back of the chassis - is
the knotting process described anywhere on the www ?
 
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Dave Plowman (News)

For tying up mains leads on equipment, tight to the back of the chassis
- is the knotting process described anywhere on the www ?

Do you mean loom binding using waxed thread?
 
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Dave Plowman (News)

For tying up mains leads on equipment, tight to the back of the chassis
- is the knotting process described anywhere on the www ?


BTW, your sig sep ain't correct.
 
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Ron(UK)

N said:
For tying up mains leads on equipment, tight to the back of the chassis - is
the knotting process described anywhere on the www ?


It`s called a rubber band ;)

Presuming you mean to get rid of excess length of cable when the gear is
installed. Don,t coil the cable, zigzag it.

Ron(UK)
 
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Geoffrey S. Mendelson

Ron(UK) said:
Presuming you mean to get rid of excess length of cable when the gear is
installed. Don,t coil the cable, zigzag it.

I think what he means is something I was taught in electric shop in junior
high school (1967?) called an electrician's knot.

Here's a drawing of it:

http://www.mtechnologies.com/building/3-fig3.jpg

and a description:
http://www.mtechnologies.com/building/atoz3.htm

I've often cheated in places where the cable was already run and did not
want to cut it to tie the knot by taking a large nylon cable tie (aka
Tie-Wrap) and placing it around the wire inside the unit. Be sure
to leave some slack so that if the wire is pulled it stresses the
cable tie, not the wire.

Geoff.

You are right about coiling the wire, it will create a magnetic field.
The one exception to that rule is coax, it can be coiled.
 
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Ron(UK)

Geoffrey said:
I think what he means is something I was taught in electric shop in junior
high school (1967?) called an electrician's knot.

Here's a drawing of it:

http://www.mtechnologies.com/building/3-fig3.jpg

and a description:
http://www.mtechnologies.com/building/atoz3.htm

I've often cheated in places where the cable was already run and did not
want to cut it to tie the knot by taking a large nylon cable tie (aka
Tie-Wrap) and placing it around the wire inside the unit. Be sure
to leave some slack so that if the wire is pulled it stresses the
cable tie, not the wire.
If the OP meant to tie up the mains cable when transporting an item of
equipment, say a vcr or tv, then the usual way is to coil a good portion
of the cable closest to the appliance, then squeeze the coils together
and wind the rest of the cable around that so that it resembles a
hangmans noose. Then the outer loop of one coil is passed over the plug
top to secure it.

Or you could use a rubber band.
You are right about coiling the wire, it will create a magnetic field.
The one exception to that rule is coax, it can be coiled.

Careful now... ;)



Ron(UK)
 
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Geoffrey S. Mendelson

Ron(UK) said:
If the OP meant to tie up the mains cable when transporting an item of
equipment, say a vcr or tv, then the usual way is to coil a good portion
of the cable closest to the appliance, then squeeze the coils together
and wind the rest of the cable around that so that it resembles a
hangmans noose. Then the outer loop of one coil is passed over the plug
top to secure it.

That's the easiest way. I found that for items I do this with often,
such as a laptop power cord, the best thing are nylon strips with velcro
on them sold for lacing computer cables.

Geoff.
 
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N Cook

Geoffrey S. Mendelson said:
I think what he means is something I was taught in electric shop in junior
high school (1967?) called an electrician's knot.

Here's a drawing of it:

http://www.mtechnologies.com/building/3-fig3.jpg

and a description:
http://www.mtechnologies.com/building/atoz3.htm

I've often cheated in places where the cable was already run and did not
want to cut it to tie the knot by taking a large nylon cable tie (aka
Tie-Wrap) and placing it around the wire inside the unit. Be sure
to leave some slack so that if the wire is pulled it stresses the
cable tie, not the wire.

Geoff.

You are right about coiling the wire, it will create a magnetic field.
The one exception to that rule is coax, it can be coiled.

Not that one.
For storing or just shelving unused equipment , so the mains cable was not
trailling about and no need for ties of any sort. All the cable is taken up
into the hank/knot leaving just the mains plug exposed and all tight up
against the back of the chassis.
The person who showed me years ago how to do it , went overboard.
It used to annoy me that the bunching was so close to the chassis and
bunched so tight you needed a screwdriver to open up the knot and there was
always a tight spiral of cable for 6 or so turns when undone that stayed
like that. I've long since forgotten how to do it.
I invented my own that did not deform the cable so much and easily undone
by myself or customers, but you cannot form it right up close to the
chassis.
 
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Dave Plowman (News)

Not that one. For storing or just shelving unused equipment , so the
mains cable was not trailling about and no need for ties of any sort.
All the cable is taken up into the hank/knot leaving just the mains plug
exposed and all tight up against the back of the chassis.

Ah - know what you mean now. Those old enough to remember rope washing
lines will remember they came like that too.

But plastic cable ties weren't around then. ;-)
 
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N Cook

Dave Plowman (News) said:
Ah - know what you mean now. Those old enough to remember rope washing
lines will remember they came like that too.

But plastic cable ties weren't around then. ;-)

--
*We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse.

Dave Plowman [email protected] London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.


The person who showed me was ex-services WW2 or 1950s sparky.
Yes really tight just like how plastic covered , corded washing lines arrive
packed, but with the plug and "noose" spiralling taken right up to the cable
entry point and not even any obvious starting point to undo it, let alone
being so tight. I remember the final move was really forcing a final loop
over or something.
 
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Ron(UK)

N Cook wrote:

The person who showed me was ex-services WW2 or 1950s sparky.
Yes really tight just like how plastic covered , corded washing lines arrive
packed, but with the plug and "noose" spiralling taken right up to the cable
entry point and not even any obvious starting point to undo it, let alone
being so tight. I remember the final move was really forcing a final loop
over or something.


Yeah, as I said earlier, you take one loop over the plug top.

Ron(UK)
 
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Arfa Daily

N Cook said:
Not that one.
For storing or just shelving unused equipment , so the mains cable was not
trailling about and no need for ties of any sort. All the cable is taken
up
into the hank/knot leaving just the mains plug exposed and all tight up
against the back of the chassis.
The person who showed me years ago how to do it , went overboard.
It used to annoy me that the bunching was so close to the chassis and
bunched so tight you needed a screwdriver to open up the knot and there
was
always a tight spiral of cable for 6 or so turns when undone that stayed
like that. I've long since forgotten how to do it.
I invented my own that did not deform the cable so much and easily undone
by myself or customers, but you cannot form it right up close to the
chassis.
Here's the one I was taught. Assuming that you are right handed. Zig-zag the
cable in your left hand, starting up close to the equipment, and making the
zig-zags about 8 inches. Make about 5 or 6 of them, which should have used
up about 1/2 to 2/3 of a 'normal' cable length. Stop zig-zagging when the
cable end, with plugtop, is away from you. Now take the remaining cable in
your right hand, holding it close to where the zig-zagged piece is hanging
out from your left fist, and take a single tightly pulled turn around the
end, winding away from yourself. As you complete that first turn, angle the
cable in towards your left hand, so that it crosses over the point where
that first turn started from. This locks the turn in place, and now you can
just go ahead and keep winding the spare cable around, feeding the
zig-zagged piece out of your fist, as you go. If you've judged it right (
years of practice ! ) You should get about 11/2 inches from the equipment
end of the zigzags, when you have about 6 or 8 inches of cable left. This
last piece of cable is formed into a squashed loop, and fed through the end
loops of the zig-zags. It is then pulled back over the zig-zag loops, and
finally, you pull on the plugtop, which pulls the last loop in nice and
tight. This method is the neatest I've ever seen, and NEVER comes undone on
its own, unlike attempts that I've seen many engineers make, to reproduce
something similar. Where they usually go wrong, is wrapping in the same
direction as they made the zig-zags, This fails to lock that first turn in
place, so the whole wrap becomes loose and sloppy. It's a lot easier to do
than describe, but if this is the standard old repairman's wrap that you
were looking for, I'm sure it will come right back to you as soon as you try
to follow this.

Arfa
 
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Arfa Daily

N Cook said:
The person who showed me was ex-services WW2 or 1950s sparky.
Yes really tight just like how plastic covered , corded washing lines
arrive
packed, but with the plug and "noose" spiralling taken right up to the
cable
entry point and not even any obvious starting point to undo it, let alone
being so tight. I remember the final move was really forcing a final loop
over or something.
I've sent you some pictures of a wrap in progress. I have sent them to the
same mail address that you post to this group from. If you don't get them,
mail me with a different address.

Arfa
 
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N Cook

Arfa Daily said:
I've sent you some pictures of a wrap in progress. I have sent them to the
same mail address that you post to this group from. If you don't get them,
mail me with a different address.

Arfa

A first time for everything. Worked out how to access the email bit of
gazeta.pl, pointless looking at spam otherwise.
If it was you who uploaded 9M byte of file/s there it/they will be staying
there, no broadband here.
 
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Sofie

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and why is cargo send by ship and shipments by car/truck?

and why do you park on driveways and drive on parkways?
 
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Radiosrfun

Sofie said:
and why do you park on driveways and drive on parkways?

Depending on where you live, this actually makes "some" sense. You "can"
manuever in your driveway - but when you go out onto at least "some"
parkways - they're so jammed - they're more like parking lots.
 
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Arfa Daily

N Cook said:
A first time for everything. Worked out how to access the email bit of
gazeta.pl, pointless looking at spam otherwise.
If it was you who uploaded 9M byte of file/s there it/they will be staying
there, no broadband here.
That's a pity as the pictures showed exactly what you were asking. Just as a
matter of interest, if you are involved in commercial repairs, as you appear
to be from your postings, how on earth do you get by in this day and age of
service info only being available on-line in a majority of cases, without a
broadband connection ?? With a dialup connection to the internet, you are
walking with dinosaurs, as they say on the BBC ...

Arfa
 
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Homer J Simpson

For tying up mains leads on equipment, tight to the back of the chassis -
is
the knotting process described anywhere on the www ?

Search for the UL knot.
 
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Arfa Daily

Homer J Simpson said:
Search for the UL knot.
If I'm reading him correctly Homey, that's not the knot (!) that he's
looking for. I sent him some pictures of the one he wants, but apparently,
no BB, so would take him about a week to d/l
9 meg of photos... I'll perhaps put the pics up on a website somewhere so
that he can see them, poor boy ... d;~}

Arfa
 
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Dave Plowman (News)

If I'm reading him correctly Homey, that's not the knot (!) that he's
looking for. I sent him some pictures of the one he wants, but
apparently, no BB, so would take him about a week to d/l 9 meg of
photos... I'll perhaps put the pics up on a website somewhere so that
he can see them, poor boy ... d;~}

Still take as long to load. ;-)
 
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