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Phil Allison

"Fran"


YOU are one RABID GREEN NAZI NUT CASE !!

Someone ought to stick a knife up you.

And twist it.





....... Phil
 
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Swampfox

Phil Allison said:
"Davo the **** "




** Who is this " we " - fuckhead.

Never had to use them to replace tens of millions of
GLS bulbs at time before.

FUCKWIT !!




...... Phil

Have you been into a multi story office tower
(supermarket, Hardly Normal) lately?
Melbourne CBD must have hundreds of thousands of
flouro tubes imstalled, replaced on a regular basis.
 
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kreed

Indeed, and was there a great panic whenever we broke clinical
thermometers, or mercury thermometers at school?

Sylvia.

I can remember in high school, they actually had a container of
mercury in science class,
and the kids would put their hands in it to "feel" what it was like.
Very interesting substance.

That's how "dangerous" it was considered to be back then.
 
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TG'sFM

Normal fluorescent tubes have always had mercury in them. If you look
closely you can even see a tiny bead of mercury rolling around inside. I
don't see why people are getting so excited about it when we've had them
for years already.

Using that logic, we should never have got rid of asbestos in building
materials because we'd been using it for years anyway. Do you EVER
thing BEFORE you post?
 
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TG'sFM

At my workplace we used to have bucketfuls of mercury, but we've managed
to phase it out down to almost zero. Modern instrumentation has made
mercury pretty much redundant.

What would a wedding photographer want buckets of mercury for? Or
are you pretending to be something you're not AGAIN?
 
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F Murtz

TG'sFM said:
What would a wedding photographer want buckets of mercury for? Or
are you pretending to be something you're not AGAIN?
mercury is used to intensify photographs
 
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TG'sFM

mercury is used to intensify photographs

LOL. DAvo uses a Kodak digital camera and a canon pixma IP1000
printer with Kodak glossy photopaper. Somehow I don't think
"intensifying" the image is high on his agenda. While he may be the
cheapest wedding photographer in Maryborough, he most certainly isn't
too interested in quality, service or peofessionalism.
 
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Mr.T

kreed said:
I can remember in high school, they actually had a container of
mercury in science class,
and the kids would put their hands in it to "feel" what it was like.
That's how "dangerous" it was considered to be back then.

Yes, asbestos and lead were considered safe then too. And Madam Curie died
of radiation poisoning.
Unfortunately ignorance is NOT always bliss.

MrT.
 
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TG'sFM

Yes, asbestos and lead were considered safe then too. And Madam Curie died
of radiation poisoning.
Unfortunately ignorance is NOT always bliss.

DAvo is living proof that ignoance CAN be bliss.
 
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Sylvia Else

Mr.T said:
Yes, asbestos and lead were considered safe then too. And Madam Curie died
of radiation poisoning.
Unfortunately ignorance is NOT always bliss.

MrT.

We don't appear to have a legacy of mercury toxicity in those with only
occasional exposure.

Sylvia.
 
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Fran

"Fran is a FUCKING LIAR" "

Really? How is that different from a celibate liar?

Plexiglass ...

3 to 5 mg. Some manufacturers are going to 1 mg. Unless the bulb is in
operation at the time it breaks, the mercury is not in gaseous form
but attached to the side of the tube, near the base.

It would be extremely poisonous if one were chronically exposed to it,
but of course, exposure will, at worst, be brief. If the lamp breaks
when it is not in operation, (eg bumped out of the fitting) then the
risk is from physical contact with the skin. If it is operating, then
once should open a window, leave the room, and close the door. Thirty
minutes later, it will have dissipated.

You seem fairly relaxed though about the mercury emissions (and the
other emissions) associated with generating the energy needed to
operate incandescents via burning of coal -- which accounts for about
80% to 90% of Australia's energy load..

Not at all if it has not just been on. If it has just been on, then
see above.

I've been using CFLs (and a long fluoro in the kitchen) for several
years now. Total breakages: zero.

Nope, because it is essentially a polymer. Of course, even plastics
can cut you so one should handle with care.

And the boogie man will get you too ...


Note: Unrefuted claim
**  NO REPLY

No, it isn't. It's a fraction of the mercury that would have been
released into the open air by coal fired power plants producing the
extra energy to run the incandescents and to produce the much more
short lived incandescents in the firts place.

Of course, there should be a system in place to ensure return of CFLs
to HAZMAT disposal -- a deposit and return to retailer system for in
tact bulbs would be a good exercise in environmental stewardship.

YOU are one RABID GREEN NAZI NUT CASE !!

You are Barnaby Joyce and I claim my prize.
Someone ought to stick a knife up you. And twist it.


This is the second post in sequence in which you've endorsed murder.
Whether you mean it or not, you are clearly disturbed. Seek help.

I should note though that the desire to murder dissenters was very
much a Nazi thing.

Fran
 
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Phil Allison

"Fran is a FUCKING LIAR" "


Really? How is that different from a celibate liar?


** Only a completely autistic moron would ask that.




Plexiglass ...


** My god - this ASD fucked BITCH IS TOTALLY INSANE !!



Nope, because it is essentially a polymer.


** My god - this ASD fucked BITCH IS TOTALLY INSANE !!



** NO REPLY

No, it isn't.

** It cannot even read.


Of course, there should be a system in place to ensure return of CFLs
to HAZMAT disposal -- a deposit and return to retailer system for in
tact bulbs would be a good exercise in environmental stewardship.


** Exactly what all the experts have been saying.

YOU are one RABID GREEN NAZI NUT CASE !!


** Someone ought to stick a knife up you. And twist it.



...... Phil
 
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Fran

Don't let the facts get in the way of your tourettes, Phil

He is a fairly odd bird. Apart from the usual list of half truths and
red herrings one sees in this argument, it doesn't occur to him that
there's any kind of conflict between objecting that AGW is all about
the desire for power and control and his declaration that western
society (presumably himself excluded) is largely the domain of brain
dead uneducated morons.

By definition, brain dead uneducated morons aren't capable of making
good decisions in their own interests or even giving informed consent.
Normally, when people are deemed that incapable, one tries to ensure
someone who is willing and able to act in their interests does so.

If that is true, is there any good reason for objecting that other
people may be seeking power over society? Can one reasonably conclude
that the largely brain dead uneducated morons will be worse off?
Probably not.

Interestingly, most of his venting is simply a grab-bag of populist
mythology of the kind one finds in media outlets tailored to the
appetites of brain-dead uneducated morons. Ironically, the people
running these outfits really are an instance of someone seeking power
and control over brain-dead uneducated morons. His instance is the
exception that proves the rule.

One suspects his real fear is that someone sharing his outlook will
look at him and imagine him to be a brain dead uneducated moron, and
so he has to get in first by casting most others in these terms --
classic projection.

Fran
 
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F Murtz

Fran said:
Really? How is that different from a celibate liar?


Plexiglass ...


3 to 5 mg. Some manufacturers are going to 1 mg. Unless the bulb is in
operation at the time it breaks, the mercury is not in gaseous form
but attached to the side of the tube, near the base.


It would be extremely poisonous if one were chronically exposed to it,
but of course, exposure will, at worst, be brief. If the lamp breaks
when it is not in operation, (eg bumped out of the fitting) then the
risk is from physical contact with the skin. If it is operating, then
once should open a window, leave the room, and close the door. Thirty
minutes later, it will have dissipated.

You seem fairly relaxed though about the mercury emissions (and the
other emissions) associated with generating the energy needed to
operate incandescents via burning of coal -- which accounts for about
80% to 90% of Australia's energy load..


Not at all if it has not just been on. If it has just been on, then
see above.

I've been using CFLs (and a long fluoro in the kitchen) for several
years now. Total breakages: zero.


Nope, because it is essentially a polymer. Of course, even plastics
can cut you so one should handle with care.

I wonder could you show where you get the idea that the spiral or tube
type cfl is made of plexiglass?
 
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globular

blofelds_cat said:
This would be hilarious if they weren't serious!..


Red Alert on Green Bulbs
Roger Franklin, Herald Sun News, 19/1/09


WE'VE all heard those gags about how many people of various sorts and
backgrounds are needed to change a light bulb. No point in repeating
them, especially in this day and age, when eagle-eyed humour police are
forever in pursuit of insensitive and inappropriate jests.

But there is one light bulb joke that remains perfectly safe to tell.
That's because it happens to be true, and gets sillier by the day.

What we're talking about is the plan to replace this nation's
oldfashioned incandescent bulbs with energy-efficient compact
fluorescent ones.

Because the new bulbs contain minute dollops of mercury, the US
Environmental Protection Agency has issued a set of extensive
precautions in case one accidentally breaks.

Ready for a laugh? Well, loosen those jocularity straps, because here
are the guide's official, stepby-step highlights:

EVACUATE the room for 15 minutes, open the windows and turn off all
airconditioning or heating.

WIPE hard surfaces with damp towels, which are to be sealed in a glass
jar. If the bulb breaks over carpet, vacuum up the fragments and put the
dust bag in the jar.

CONTACT your council to see if the jar can go into the rubbish bin. If
not, ask for the location of an approved toxic waste disposal facility
and drive straight over.

IF fragments land on your clothes or bedding, throw away the garments or
linen in another sealed container (the jar will be full of paper towels
by that stage).

THE next few times you vacuum, open the windows again and turn off the
airconditioning or heating.

There are many other precautions American authorities are mandating,
including using strips of electrical tape to collect microscopic
fragments, but you have heard enough to get the gist. No doubt the
planet will thank us for using the ecologically friendly bulbs that are
due to be phased in at the end of the year.

If Mother Earth has a sense of humour, she will probably be chuckling
her head off at what many may see as the worst light bulb joke of all time.

Faith and belief in the new bulbs is greater than the facts.
 
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Fran

I wonder could you show where you get the idea that the spiral or tube
type cfl is made of plexiglass?

I recall reading it in a general piece on the conversion from
incandescents, and the bulbs themselves don't feel cold and glass like
in the way incandescents did.

And really, why would you use glass when you can use a polymer?

More on CFLs

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CFLs are lauded by environmentalists because they require far less
electrical power than their incandescent counterparts. A 26-watt CFL
bulb produces the same lumens as a 100-watt incandescent bulb.
Assuming that you keep one of those bulbs aglow for six hours a day,
switching to a CFL will save you 126 kilowatt-hours of electricity per
year, which translates to 170 pounds of carbon dioxide emissions on
average. Now, how many bulbs do you have in your house? Twenty?
Thirty? Replace them all and you could conceivably (assuming six-hour-
a-day use throughout the building) reduce your annual CO2 output by
upward of 2.3 metric tons—about 10 percent of the average American
household's annual carbon footprint.

....

The irony of CFLs is that they actually reduce overall mercury
emissions in the long run. Despite recent improvements in the
industry's technology, the burning of coal to produce electricity
emits roughly 0.023 milligrams of mercury per kilowatt-hour. Over a
year, then, using a 26-watt CFL in the average American home (where
half of the electricity comes from coal) will result in the emission
of 0.66 milligrams of mercury. For 100-watt incandescent bulbs, which
produce the identical amount of light, the figure is 2.52 milligrams.

Ah, but what if your CFL bulb shatters? First off, don't panic: Unless
you plan on picking up the glass with bare hands and then licking it,
you're almost certainly safe from harm.

Even a broken CFL bulb won't leak too much toxic metal. According to
the EPA, just 6.8 percent of the mercury in a CFL bulb—that's at most
0.34 milligrams—is released if it shatters. OSHA's permissible
exposure limit for mercury vapor in the workplace is 0.1 milligrams
per cubic meter, so you'd have to break that bulb in an extremely
cramped space for there to be an appreciable hazard.

http://www.slate.com/id/2183606/pagenum/all/#page_


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Fran
 
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Phil Allison

F Murtz

" Fran is a FUCKING LIAR "

I wonder could you show where you get the idea that the spiral or tube
type cfl is made of plexiglass?

I recall reading it in a general piece on the conversion from
incandescents, and the bulbs themselves don't feel cold and glass like
in the way incandescents did.


** Two more BLATANT LIES !!!


And really, why would you use glass when you can use a polymer?


** Make it three BLATANT LIES !!!


Fran is nothing short of a CRIMINAL PSYCHOPATH.

Likely posting from the Green Ward of some mental hospital.




..... Phil
 
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F Murtz

Fran said:
I recall reading it in a general piece on the conversion from
incandescents, and the bulbs themselves don't feel cold and glass like
in the way incandescents did.

And really, why would you use glass when you can use a polymer?

More on CFLs

|||
CFLs are lauded by environmentalists because they require far less
electrical power than their incandescent counterparts. A 26-watt CFL
bulb produces the same lumens as a 100-watt incandescent bulb.
Assuming that you keep one of those bulbs aglow for six hours a day,
switching to a CFL will save you 126 kilowatt-hours of electricity per
year, which translates to 170 pounds of carbon dioxide emissions on
average. Now, how many bulbs do you have in your house? Twenty?
Thirty? Replace them all and you could conceivably (assuming six-hour-
a-day use throughout the building) reduce your annual CO2 output by
upward of 2.3 metric tons—about 10 percent of the average American
household's annual carbon footprint.

...

The irony of CFLs is that they actually reduce overall mercury
emissions in the long run. Despite recent improvements in the
industry's technology, the burning of coal to produce electricity
emits roughly 0.023 milligrams of mercury per kilowatt-hour. Over a
year, then, using a 26-watt CFL in the average American home (where
half of the electricity comes from coal) will result in the emission
of 0.66 milligrams of mercury. For 100-watt incandescent bulbs, which
produce the identical amount of light, the figure is 2.52 milligrams.

Ah, but what if your CFL bulb shatters? First off, don't panic: Unless
you plan on picking up the glass with bare hands and then licking it,
you're almost certainly safe from harm.

Even a broken CFL bulb won't leak too much toxic metal. According to
the EPA, just 6.8 percent of the mercury in a CFL bulb—that's at most
0.34 milligrams—is released if it shatters. OSHA's permissible
exposure limit for mercury vapor in the workplace is 0.1 milligrams
per cubic meter, so you'd have to break that bulb in an extremely
cramped space for there to be an appreciable hazard.

http://www.slate.com/id/2183606/pagenum/all/#page_


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Fran
They are made of glass.
A very few have an other globe like covering over the tube made of
plexiglass
 
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Mr.T

Fran said:
I recall reading it in a general piece on the conversion from
incandescents, and the bulbs themselves don't feel cold and glass like
in the way incandescents did.

And really, why would you use glass when you can use a polymer?

And then goes on to quote :
Ah, but what if your CFL bulb shatters? First off, don't panic: Unless
you plan on picking up the ***glass*** with bare hands and then licking it,
you're almost certainly safe from harm.

MrT.
 
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