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geoff said:Mary Fisher writes
So how did you even manage to spend the amount you claim to have SAVED
on hot water in the first place ?
This was what puzzled me too.
Graham
geoff said:Mary Fisher writes
So how did you even manage to spend the amount you claim to have SAVED
on hot water in the first place ?
This was what puzzled me too.
Graham
Andy said:Eeyore said:
Look, it's the *cause* that matters. The facts are unimportant.
Once I met a fat girl turned thin. And pretty gorgeous with it.Eeyore said:With respect to the 'green religion' that is so, so true. They don't want to be
encumbered by mere facts when belief will suffice.
The genuinely sad thing is that most allegedly 'green' ideas for alternative
energy actually have a net negative impact when compared with a more measured
scientific approach of equivalent cost. It's the classic story of the road to
hell being paved with good intentions.
Graham
We burn fuel because we can afford to.
And its easier to burn it than do the efficient thing.
Make fuel more expensive, and we will find ways to save it.
That's like helping to promote sex; some things don't require promotion,
or claiming credit for doing so.
Jim said:Ann Coulter wrote a marvelous article some time ago about all the new
mfg plants, mining, plastics, and transport costs of the new green tech
being implemented. What a nightmare!
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:52:13 GMT someone who may be John Stumbles
He did not have sexual intercourse with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.
Apparently it is something to do with making words imply something
they don't mean.
David said:On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:52:13 GMT someone who may be John Stumbles
He did not have sexual intercourse with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.
Apparently it is something to do with making words imply something
they don't mean.
David Hansen said:On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:07:57 -0500 someone who may be "Jim"
Hot water is not free in Iceland. The hot water doesn't get into
buildings by magic and the heat exchanger in the house is not free
either.
As a result the quantity of heat used is measured. I do
believe it is relatively cheap though, especially compared to the
cost of importing oil or gas.
It's Al Gore!!!! Right here on Usenet!
Ann Coulter wrote a marvelous article
John said:My opinion is that
(a) the evidence seems to be that it is happening
(b) it's quite possible that humany activities are contributing to, if not
causing, it
(c) the consequences could be disastrous for all humankind
(d) we're socially advanced[1] enough to act responsibly and ameriorate
the effects of our actions
(e) we're just about technologically advanced[2] enough to counter the
effects of naturally-occuring processes (cf threat of asteroid strike
which we're (i) beginning to watch out for (ii) beginning to plan how to
avert).
proposal to prevent it basically calls for a return to the Stone Age,
i.e., the destruction of Western Civilization as we know it.
Uh, yeah. I was kinda under the impression that anyone who knew anything
about the subject was quite well aware of it. This is why Al Gore and the
greenies are such loons....
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
Jim said:To clear the air, I believe it is happening, slowly and inexorably, man
has precious little to do with it, can't stop it if he tried, and every
proposal to prevent it basically calls for a return to the Stone Age, i.e.,
the destruction of Western Civilization as we know it.
Until you can get India and China on board to do something about it, you
are wasting your breath, IMO. =IF= it really even is something man can
affect at all......
Sure. I am sure the suns is not static in output.Meanwhile, the Martian Ice caps continue to shrink and the sun keeps
hurling CME's at us.
Eeyore said:I agree.
Contributing to I'd accept the possibility of at least in some small part.
Potential consequences in hundreds of years time. There is no immediate danger
and absolutely no reason or excuse for ill-considered panic action which may be
either futile or even counter-productive and will certainly damage western
economies further at a time when they are already endangered.
Any one of a million ways.(d) we're socially advanced[1] enough to act responsibly and ameriorate
the effects of our actions
And how would that be ?
Hah! Always the case. Just because bad men use a good cause to promote(e) we're just about technologically advanced[2] enough to counter the
effects of naturally-occuring processes (cf threat of asteroid strike
which we're (i) beginning to watch out for (ii) beginning to plan how to
avert).
Yet more alarmism to keep the public afraid and malleable.
so, you are really saying that non-western civilisations == stone-age?
I'd say some 'greens' would at least like us to return at least to the era of
the mud hut and subsistence farming.
The said:Tell that to to N Orleans.
Eeyore said:Talking of which, are you familiar with the 'fallout' from the EU's demand for
lead-free electronics
Apparently no-one considered the impact of the additional tin mining. Mostly tin
mining isn't in the EU as it happens so they simply exported some new
environmental problems. Oh, except there weren't actually any 'environmental
problems' from leaded solder to begin with ! Well, actually let's say that
no-one (in the Comission) considered very much actually other than making a
supposedly 'green' statement. It's accepted that 'lead-free' will reduce the
reliability of electronics and hence its useful lifetime (which is rather
un-green to my way of thinking) but apparently that's OK as long an illusion of
'green-ness' is achieved.
And the next cracking joke is this one !
As the demand for green 'carbon neutral' bio-fuel increases, palm oil production
in Asia is being increased. To do this they BURN OFF more of their rainforest !
Carbon-neutral my ass !
So, a green political whim in Europe results in wholesale rainforest
destruction. BRILLIANT !
The said:Any one of a million ways.Eeyore said:John said:(d) we're socially advanced[1] enough to act responsibly and ameriorate
the effects of our actions
And how would that be ?
The said:I can assure yu if e.g. the USA developed a safe fusion generator the
size of a bicycle and gave the technology to the world, the Chines would
take it up faster than you can say 'chow mein'