Re: Audio Precision System One Dual Domani Measuirement Systems

[David Looser]

That's the usual explanation for driving on the left in Roman times. Some
say it was Napoleon who decreed driving on the right, some say it was the
Pope.

Which Pope?

Incidentally, I was at a presentation about Barbados the other day, and
was told that it's not possible to hire a car in Barbados due to the
previous amount of traffic accidents involving hire cars. They drive on
the left, and the majority of tourists are American and can't get used to
driving on that side. I myself prefer to drive down the middle

The problem I have in driving in the US is not driving on the right but the
unfamilaiar roadsigns and rules of the road. The very first time I drove in
the US I had just got off a direct flight from London to San Franscisco and
had to drive from there to a small town in Northern California via some
narrow, twisting mountain roads. To add to the fun I was navigating using a
rather poor map, I'd been awake for 24hrs and the light was fading fast. I
was never more glad to arrive unscathed at my destination!

David.

 

[David Looser]

The great advantage of radial circuits is that idiots find it a
little more difficult to bridge out the breaker in the panel,
unlike the silly fuse fitted in BS1363 plugs (which for some
silly reason is the same shape and diameter as many screws, bolts
and any other round bar) -

Well the BS1362 fuse certainly isn't the same shape as any screw, since
screws taper to a point, nor is it the shape of any bolt, unless you cut the
head off the bolt. As for round bar, well it would have to be the same
diameter and length, how many people have bits of round bar just exactly the
right size hanging around the house? not many.

For the last 20 years I have PAT tested every mains electrical item
submitted to a charity auction that is held twice a year in the village
where I live. In that time I met a fair few horrors: flexes so damaged that
the bare live wire shows through, a standard lamp (with a brass fitting)
wired up with two-core bell-wire, flexes extended using a bit of choc-block
wrapped in insulating tape, broken plugs, mis-wired plugs, plugs with the
cord-grip either missing or incorrectly used etc. But I've only ever had one
example of a plug with anything other than a BS1362 fuse in it, and that had
a few turns of 5A fuse-wire wrapped round the prongs of the fuse-holder. So
I don't buy this idea that people are putting screws, bolts or bits of metal
rod into plugs in any significant numbers at all. Its *so* much easier to
nick a fuse from another appliance than to start looking for bits of metal
that will fit!

David.

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

When in Belgium last year, I found that, on the tramways, there was no
place to pay the driver, and no 'conductor'.
Most passengers seem to insert a card into a machine, no one checked
tickets. I asked several folks how do I pay, they just shrugged, so it
seems travel between stops wasn't worth collecting fares for. The whole
system is remarkably cheap.

Amsterdam in the '60s had a system where no money changed hands on the
trams. You bought books of tickets in a shop. Can't remember exactly how
evasion was policed.

 

[Mike Tomlinson]

Well the BS1362 fuse certainly isn't the same shape as any screw, since
screws taper to a point, nor is it the shape of any bolt, unless you cut the
head off the bolt.

It's just Jerry's fevered imagination running away with him again.

As for round bar, well it would have to be the same
diameter and length, how many people have bits of round bar just exactly the
right size hanging around the house?

Reminds me of the Americans using penny coins to short out the old
porcelain screw-in fuses when those blew.

 

[David Looser]

Far more common to find the existing blown fuse wrapped in aluminium foil.

Well in some 2000-odd PAT tests I've never met that one, how often have you
come across it?

David.

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

For the last 20 years I have PAT tested every mains electrical item
submitted to a charity auction that is held twice a year in the village
where I live. In that time I met a fair few horrors: flexes so damaged
that the bare live wire shows through, a standard lamp (with a brass
fitting) wired up with two-core bell-wire, flexes extended using a bit
of choc-block wrapped in insulating tape, broken plugs, mis-wired
plugs, plugs with the cord-grip either missing or incorrectly used etc.
But I've only ever had one example of a plug with anything other than a
BS1362 fuse in it, and that had a few turns of 5A fuse-wire wrapped
round the prongs of the fuse-holder. So I don't buy this idea that
people are putting screws, bolts or bits of metal rod into plugs in any
significant numbers at all. Its *so* much easier to nick a fuse from
another appliance than to start looking for bits of metal that will fit!

Indeed. As I said, how many homes will have a plug in appliance that draws
more than 13 amps so needs the fuse shorted out?

I'd say it's restricted to things like some welders and compressors -
which a keen DIYer might buy.

 

[J G Miller]

Can't remember exactly how evasion was policed.

Roving teams of inspectors who issue on the spot citations
to pay a fine.

 

[J G Miller]

0 - 10: cold

It is not really cold until the temperature is below -10 degrees Celcius.

The important thing to consider though is the presence of any wind,
resulting in a wind chill effect, and the humidity.

Very humid conditions at 0 degrees C or so usually feels far worse
than say -10 degrees C when it is crisp and dry.

 

[J G Miller]

Fixed your post for the London Met enforcement method.

Ah yes, well that is what happens if you look a bit sunburnt,
wear a thick jacket with wires coming out of it, and leap over
the ticket barriers. (All details of which were fabricated to
justify murdering the victim.)

You can see the evidence that the Metropolitan Police deliberately
lied and deceived the public at

<

>

Remember that Greater London Mayor Kenneth Livingstone continued to
fully support Ian Blair even after the true facts about the deliberate
deception became public.

 

[J G Miller]

Incidentally it should be pointed out that there is growing list
of evidence that the shooting was not in fact carried out by
Metropolitan Police officers but was actually a military action
by the Special Reconnaissance Regiment.

<http://web.archive.ORG/web/20051204000850/http://www.sundayherald.com/51372>

It is alleged that the Metropolitan Police took the heat as having done
the actual shooting because the FauX LaboUr administration did not want
the public to know about the new role of the Special Reconnaissance Regiment
in anti-terrorist activity.

 

[John Williamson]

Hum, I wonder of that has anything to do with which hand one would
have ones sword in? Most people are right handed so being on the
right makes it harder to take a swipe at some one passing.

I've read that travelling on the left was started because the Roman
roads were built to move soldiers, and if you want two groups of
soldiers to pass in opposite driections, both carrying their shields on
their left arms as shown in most pictures from the time, then if they
pass right to right, you can make the road at least a foot narrower, as
the shields can overhang the edge of the road, but would collide if the
groups passed left to left.

I've also read that Napoleon wanted to (a) confuse the opposition, and
(b) prove that France was so civilised that travellers didn't need easy
access to their swords to defend themselves from other travellers.

 

[David Looser]

I've read that travelling on the left was started because the Roman roads
were built to move soldiers, and if you want two groups of soldiers to
pass in opposite driections, both carrying their shields on their left
arms as shown in most pictures from the time, then if they pass right to
right, you can make the road at least a foot narrower, as the shields can
overhang the edge of the road, but would collide if the groups passed left
to left.

To be honest I doubt that. I would imagine that the "pass to the left" rule
was started when Rome was still just a city state and those to whom it
applied were mainly pedestrians within the city of Rome itself. Then it
would have spread with the Empire as there would be no reason to change it.
But, unless a Roman document entitled "reasons for passing to the left" ever
comes to light we'll never know for sure

I've also read that Napoleon wanted to (a) confuse the opposition, and (b)
prove that France was so civilised that travellers didn't need easy access
to their swords to defend themselves from other travellers.

Well again, unless Napoleon left documentary evidence of his reasoning his
reasons will have died with him.

I remember my Dad telling me that traffic in Vienna (but not the rest of
Austria) still drove on the left right up to the Nazi occupation as it was
going to be too expensive to convert the tram system. Adolf, of course,
didn't care about the expense.

David.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

I used to see it a couple or three times a year back when I repaired
group gear, often on HT fuses in valve amplifiers, and back when 20mm
fuses started to become common in equipment, but not common in toolboxes.

[]
I think David was specifically talking about the BS1362 fuses found in
BS1363 plugs. The special (and varied) fuses in the HT amp.s and similar
are less likely to match anything to hand (i. e. another appliance's
plug).

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <[email protected]>, Ron

Incidentally, I was at a presentation about Barbados the other day, and
was told that it's not possible to hire a car in Barbados due to the
previous amount of traffic accidents involving hire cars. They drive on
the left, and the majority of tourists are American and can't get used
to driving on that side. I myself prefer to drive down the middle

You remind me of a comment made by Raymond Baxter on Top Gear, back when
it was a motoring programme: he described some car as being "for the
middle-of-the-road driver", without realising what he'd said. (No, it
wasn't a Chieftain tank.)

 

[Max Demian]

Well the BS1362 fuse certainly isn't the same shape as any screw, since
screws taper to a point, nor is it the shape of any bolt, unless you cut
the head off the bolt. As for round bar, well it would have to be the same
diameter and length, how many people have bits of round bar just exactly
the right size hanging around the house? not many.

For the last 20 years I have PAT tested every mains electrical item
submitted to a charity auction that is held twice a year in the village
where I live. In that time I met a fair few horrors: flexes so damaged
that the bare live wire shows through, a standard lamp (with a brass
fitting) wired up with two-core bell-wire, flexes extended using a bit of
choc-block wrapped in insulating tape, broken plugs, mis-wired plugs,
plugs with the cord-grip either missing or incorrectly used etc. But I've
only ever had one example of a plug with anything other than a BS1362 fuse
in it, and that had a few turns of 5A fuse-wire wrapped round the prongs
of the fuse-holder. So I don't buy this idea that people are putting
screws, bolts or bits of metal rod into plugs in any significant numbers
at all. Its *so* much easier to nick a fuse from another appliance than to
start looking for bits of metal that will fit!

How about 13A plug fuses for low wattage appliances such as radios and
lamps? Or wouldn't you regard that as a fault? (I wouldn't, as I regard the
purpose of a plug fuse to blow in the event of a dead short in the flex.)

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

How about 13A plug fuses for low wattage appliances such as radios and
lamps? Or wouldn't you regard that as a fault? (I wouldn't, as I regard
the purpose of a plug fuse to blow in the event of a dead short in the
flex.)

As indeed it is. If the device (like a radio) needs fuse protection within
itself, it should have its own fuse. Exactly as it would have when fed
from an unfused plug.

I suspect if starting with a clean sheet now far more sophisticated
circuit breakers etc are affordable, things might be different.

 

[David Looser]

How about 13A plug fuses for low wattage appliances such as radios and
lamps? Or wouldn't you regard that as a fault? (I wouldn't, as I regard
the purpose of a plug fuse to blow in the event of a dead short in the
flex.)

Its enough to get the item a "fail", though my solution is to change the
fuse, not withdraw the item from sale as I do with the real horrors. The
longer that time passes since the law that required new items to have
factory-fitted plugs the fewer examples of this I see.

David.

 

[Dave Liquorice]

Are you really that stupid, or do you just play a fool on Usenet?
The US National Electrical Code is online. It goes into great detail
about what can and can not be done. Read it, and see if you can learn
anything.

Can't be arsed to read the regs of a forgien country, we have enough
of our own. You are over there and presumably know them so how many
breakers would be required for 38 double sockets in the US?

 

[David Looser]

I used to see it a couple or three times a year back when I repaired group
gear, often on HT fuses in valve amplifiers, and back when 20mm fuses
started to become common in equipment, but not common in toolboxes.

[]
I think David was specifically talking about the BS1362 fuses found in
BS1363 plugs. The special (and varied) fuses in the HT amp.s and similar
are less likely to match anything to hand (i. e. another appliance's
plug).
--

Indeed I was. My comments were in the context of Jerry's assertion that
screws, bolts, metal rod etc. are commonly found instead of fuses in BS1361
plugs. As you say equipment fuses are far more varied in terms of size,
rating and rupture characteristic. They also tend to be a lot more expensive
than the readily available BS1362 fuse.

BTW did anyone here ever come across the alternative design for a UK fused
plug? I only met one once, it had round pins and looked fairly similar to
the old 15A plug, but the live pin *was* the fuse. The fuse had a threaded
stud on one end and simply screwed into the face of the plug to form the
live pin. I guess it was a different designer's take on the same design
brief that lead to the BS1361 plug. At least if we had gone with that
design it would have been much harder to bypass the fuse!

David.

 

[Jerry]

: In article <[email protected]>,
: > Yes pet, a 15amp breaker has the same rating as 30amp breaker
if
: > you say so... One is far more likely to have an appliance
lead
: > that is rated at 15A, even for appliances that have internal
1amp
: > fuses, rather than such an appliance having a lead that one
could
: > run a domestic -four ring, grill and oven- cooker off...
:
: Thanks for confirming we can add flex ratings to the things you
know
: nothing about.
:

Yes of course pet! Plowman, you really should stop talking about
your own failing all the time, if you really do think that you
can run a 3Kw(+) electric cooker off a 200w lighting cable...