Re: Audio Precision System One Dual Domani Measuirement Systems

[Terry Casey]

Arny Krueger doesn't give a date for his experiences of UK
electrical installations, it *is* quite possible that he
experienced all he suggests, it has only been since the
late/early '80s that pins have been shrouded, like-wise plugs
having finger stops whilst un-switched sockets are actually very
common than Mr Plowman suggests, especially in 'to a price' built
housing, such as local authority, starter and MOD stock or were
the idea is to discourage disconnection of the appliances, such
as fridges, freezers or VCRs etc.

My personal preference is for unswitched sockets but I'm obviously in a
minority as, when I wanted some 13A twin outlets last year, ass of the
unswitched one were (considerably) more expensive than the switched
variety. This seems to suggest that 'built to a price' installations
include switches ...

So far from being "impossible", even more so considering the
number of older and thus 'unprotected' plugs that must still be
in existence and use.

I wonder how many are still in use, though? I do have quite a stock of
plugs with unsleeved pins that have been recovered from old equipment (I
also have a 'new' (well, they were when I got them many moons ago) stock
of the sleeved variety.

As all new stuff comes with sleeved plugs pre-fitted, how often does the
average user fit a 13A plug these days?

Without checking every appliance to be sure, I can't think of a single
item in this house that might have an unsleeved plug ...

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

My personal preference is for unswitched sockets but I'm obviously in a
minority as, when I wanted some 13A twin outlets last year, ass of the
unswitched one were (considerably) more expensive than the switched
variety. This seems to suggest that 'built to a price' installations
include switches ...

Yes. The supplier I use doesn't even list unswitched 13 amp in their
budget ranges. But I was never a fan of them anyway. I've not known a
switch on a socket to fail, so I'd guess it's pretty rare.

 

[Dave Liquorice]

I wonder how Germany will fare if we get a repeat performance but with
much lower temperatures all over Europe so that all other countries need
all of their energy to supply their own needs?

Quite, there does seem to be a great reliance on the "market
supplying" both for power and food. Don't worry if we need more X we
can buy it from the market. That's fine provided the market has any X
to sell... Power and food are finite but "the market" doesn't take
those physical limits into consideration.

As for Mrs Merkel with her knickers down <shudder>.

 

[Dave Liquorice]

But no fuse. I like the idea of putting the fuse in the plug so if
one appliance fails you don't 'fuse' the whole circuit (though with
RCDs I'm not sure that still applies).

Remember that ring mains are UK thing. The european way is for
radials so "fusing the whole circuit" doesn't have quite the same
effect. Also the fuse is to protect the wiring or appliance cable not
the appliance itself.

 

[[email protected]]

But how is that any different to some idiot in the UK bridging
out the fuse in a BS1363 plug and then using 3A cable to string a
large number of trailing sockets together, a prospect that has
increased since the introduction of "Part P" in the UK
(especially in hazardous areas such as wet areas and kitchens).

Piss off, Jerry.
Go and play with the buses.

 

[Jerry]

: > :
: >
: > Who says, you? Well yes I don't have any experience of
bringing
: > up YOUR kids!
: >
: > As I said, you seem more interested in gratuitous effect that
: > reasoned debate,I must have hit a raw nerve with your own
: > parenting skills Mr Looser...
: >
:
: You really are a contemptible piece of work aren't you Jerry?

Oh so Mr Looser likes to dish the insults but doesn't like them
dished in return...

Even if I
: wasn't already aware of your ignorance about children from
coming across you
: in other forums, your earlier statement would be enough to tell
me that you
: have no knowledge of the subject. For your information, Jerry,
its very

You know only what you *think* you know about me, just as I do of
you.

: small children, those too young to understand the concept of
danger or to be
: taught not to poke things into sockets, yet who are intensely
curious and
: mobile who are in danger from unshuttered sockets.
:

That is were parental supervision comes in surely, and unlike you
(obviously) I do have knowledge as to how southern European
families raise their kids compared to those in the UK,
un-shuttered power sockets and all. The way you talk down the
safety of such sockets anyone would think that most of the world
was in danger of dying out due to infant and child mortality rate
due to electrocution...

 

[Jerry]

: In article <[email protected]>,
: > So far from being "impossible", even more so considering the
: > number of older and thus 'unprotected' plugs that must still
be
: > in existence and use.
:
: Yes pet. I forgot you live in a hovel.
:

Whilst you are a left-wing "Toff", and wrong, so no surprise that
you chose to resort to insults rather than debate the facts...

 

[Jerry]

<snip>
: My personal preference is for unswitched sockets but I'm
obviously in a
: minority as, when I wanted some 13A twin outlets last year, ass
of the
: unswitched one were (considerably) more expensive than the
switched
: variety. This seems to suggest that 'built to a price'
installations
: include switches ...
:

Depends on who is buying and from where, I doubt you were wanting
to buy a few thousand direct from MK or who ever, IYSWIM.

 

[Jerry]

: In article
: > My personal preference is for unswitched sockets but I'm
obviously in a
: > minority as, when I wanted some 13A twin outlets last year,
ass of the
: > unswitched one were (considerably) more expensive than the
switched
: > variety. This seems to suggest that 'built to a price'
installations
: > include switches ...
:
: Yes. The supplier I use doesn't even list unswitched 13 amp in
their
: budget ranges. But I was never a fan of them anyway. I've not
known a
: switch on a socket to fail, so I'd guess it's pretty rare.
:

Nothing to do with a switch failing, it's either bulk order price
or a wish to prevent accidental disconnection - for example, a
freezer. I detest so called skilled electricians installing
switched outlets in the backs of cupboards for such appliances,
if they must bodge then at least fit a an unswitched outlet.

 

[Jerry]

: :
<snip>
:
: > That's impossible as the pins have insulation down most of
their length -
: > only the end part makes contact.
:
: I know the German plugs were made that way It is good to know
that the UK
: plugs are made in a similar way.
:
: We still have all-brass pins here in the US.

Any idea what the figures, due to such plug/sockets, are for
shock or electrocution in the USA?

 

[Jerry]

: In article <[email protected]>, Jerry
:
: > : > : In article <[email protected]>, Jerry
:
: [Snip]
:
: > :
: > : Almost anything "can" happen. But in reality how often does
it?
:
:
: > Not very often, just as kids in areas that do not use the
UK's BS1363
: > plug/socket don't tend to poke things into other types of
sockets,
:
: So no stats on either.
:

Indeed, just like everyone else...

:
: > : > But then people know that, in the UK appliances could
: > actually be
: > : > protected at 30A (with old slow-blow fuse wire) but the
: > person using
: > : > the appliance believes that it is protected at the
correct
: > 3A.
: > :
: > : How often is that the case? I've not come across anyone
using
: > fuse wire (of
: > : any rating) to replace the fuse cart in a mains plug for
: > decades. is that
: > : what you are referring to?
:
: > No, think metal bolt/rod or similar, that is the same
diameter as the
: > BS fuse and you might get the idea. If an unthinking idiot
can do it,
: > they probably will,
:
: Again, not really comparative stats.

Indeed, just like everyone else...

:
: > Again, what is the statistical evidence for this
: > : being a significant problem?
: > :
:
: > Why do you think the law was changed in the UK so that all
(non
: > wholesale) domestic, free standing, electrical equipment has
to now
: > come pre-fitted with a BS1363 plug and correct fuse?
:
: Why do you thing that asking a question is a substitute for
having the
: relevant statistical data to compare the outcomes for different
systems? If
: the UK system "wasn't for consumer convenience" then your
implication is
: that is was for some other reason - e.g. safety. Hence arguing
against your
: earlier implication that shuttering hasn't any value.

The problem was the number of *incorrectly wired* plugs being
used, even by people who either should have known better or who
should have been trained, nothing what so ever to do with the
shuttering on the sockets.

:
: I appreciate you have loads of opinions. But I was asking if
you had any
: reliable stats.
:

Much like you and everyone else then, so please, no more of your
sycophantic bullshit then, unless you care to quote and cite some
hard facts...

 

[Jerry]

<snip>
:
: Piss off, Jerry.
: Go and play with the buses.

Just back from school Grimly, does your mummy know that you are
playing with daddies computer...

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Nothing to do with a switch failing, it's either bulk order price
or a wish to prevent accidental disconnection - for example, a
freezer. I detest so called skilled electricians installing
switched outlets in the backs of cupboards for such appliances,
if they must bodge then at least fit a an unswitched outlet.

If the switch doesn't fail why does it matter if an inaccessible one is
switched or non switched?

 

[Jerry]

: In article <[email protected]>,
: > Nothing to do with a switch failing, it's either bulk order
price
: > or a wish to prevent accidental disconnection - for example,
a
: > freezer. I detest so called skilled electricians installing
: > switched outlets in the backs of cupboards for such
appliances,
: > if they must bodge then at least fit a an unswitched outlet.
:
: If the switch doesn't fail why does it matter if an
inaccessible one is
: switched or non switched?
:

Because it can get accidentally switched off due to stuff being
moved or pushed to the back of the cupboard!

 

[John Williamson]

Because if they supplied them with anything else in the UK, you'd need to
buy an adaptor as well.

You mean like the lead that connects the three pin, 13A plug and
terminates in the two pin figure of eight socket used by 80% of the
laptop supplies in this room? I've got Euro leads for them, too, so I
don't need to use adaptors when I'm travelling.

The other two are wallwart supplies which plug into the wall and output
the right voltage for the computer.

I suspect there's been change in in legislation in at least one country
where the laptops are sold, ands it's cheaper to change the design on
all the units than make a different one for the offending country or
countries.

 

[Terry Casey]

We still have all-brass pins here in the US.

Given the thickness (or should that be thinness) of the blades, is there
an alternative?

Reducing the size of the blade to allow for a sleeve would probably
weaken it too much and I doubt the sockets would accept thicker blades.

 

[Terry Casey]

Because if they supplied them with anything else in the UK, you'd need to
buy an adaptor as well.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you implying that it is no
longer legal in the UK to supply equipment with twin flex (and matching
2-pole connector)?

 

[Jerry]

: On 04/01/2012 13:14, Jerry wrote:
: > On the slip side, the BS 1363 design can be very difficult to
: > insert/remove, the force needed can be quite high (especially
for
: > the elderly or those with muscular problems), thus a risk of
the
: > terminals making poor contact, also because (as you say)
there is
: > less risk of a BS1363 plug being pulled out accidentally two
: > other risks are present, should the lead become stranded the
lead
: > is damaged/parts company with the internal connections in
either
: > plug or appliance and more importantly should electrocution
occur
: > it is a dammed sight harder to purposely pull the appliance
lead
: > out of the socket from a distance.
:
:
http://www.google.co.uk/products/ca...a=X&ei=orsET_7YK4uyhAeioZjKAQ&ved=0CEkQ8wIwBg
:

URL relates to a "Thermoplasic moulding 13 AMP Fused Easy pull
handle BS 1363 IP20 Rated Grip for easy removal of plug from
socket"

....and?........

That's product is great for someone with a problem with their
finger-grip, it does nothing to help those with muscular
problems, nor does it provide a solution to the other two issues
I mentioned relating to flex damage from being strained and
emergency disconnection (although if the flex was cable tied to
the handle...).

 

[Terry Casey]

http://www.google.co.uk/products/ca...a=X&ei=orsET_7YK4uyhAeioZjKAQ&ved=0CEkQ8wIwBg

AKA

http://tinyurl.com/6wpkcts

Andy

Google doesn't help with short links, does it?

I got it down to this, but that's the best I can do ...!

http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?gl=uk&hl=en&cid=
9928575363582767211&q=easy%20plug

I must have got it confused though because I assume '&cid' means
customer ID and they didn't spot that the request came from someone
else!

 

[Don Pearce]

Google doesn't help with short links, does it?

I got it down to this, but that's the best I can do ...!

http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?gl=uk&hl=en&cid=
9928575363582767211&q=easy%20plug

I must have got it confused though because I assume '&cid' means
customer ID and they didn't spot that the request came from someone
else!

Wow, those prices aren't pretty. I believe these things are available
on a sort of prescription basis for the elderly and people with
arthritis.

d