'Ratbag' engineers make NBN kill switch unlikely:

[Don McKenzie]

1 hour ago:

'Ratbag' engineers make NBN kill switch unlikely:
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122 Points of Presence to keep Australia online.

Australian network engineers would likely protect the country’s internet connections from political control, the
Internet Society of Australia (ISOC-AU) heard last night.

Discussing the severance of connections to Egypt in January and Libya last month, ISOC-AU vice president Narelle Clarke
described various methods of taking a country offline.

She speculated that phone calls from Egyptian officials likely prompted local ISPs to turn off their routers,
effectively taking the country offline for five-and-a-half days.

The Libyan Government appeared to have employed a different method to take Libya offline at around 3am Australian
Eastern Standard time on 4 March.

Libya Telecom & Technology – run by the son of Libyan president Muammar al-Gaddafi – provided the country with most
internet and telecommunications services.

According to Clarke, it was likely that officials reconfigured Libya’s network topology during a shorter internet
blackout in February so the Government could later make bandwidth unavailable.

Australia too would have a single, large, fibre operator upon completion of the $43 billion, Government-built National
Broadband Network.

http://x2t.com/kill-switch

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[atec77]

1 hour ago:

'Ratbag' engineers make NBN kill switch unlikely:
=================================================

122 Points of Presence to keep Australia online.

Australian network engineers would likely protect the country’s internet
connections from political control, the Internet Society of Australia
(ISOC-AU) heard last night.

Discussing the severance of connections to Egypt in January and Libya
last month, ISOC-AU vice president Narelle Clarke described various
methods of taking a country offline.

She speculated that phone calls from Egyptian officials likely prompted
local ISPs to turn off their routers, effectively taking the country
offline for five-and-a-half days.

The Libyan Government appeared to have employed a different method to
take Libya offline at around 3am Australian Eastern Standard time on 4
March.

Libya Telecom & Technology – run by the son of Libyan president Muammar
al-Gaddafi – provided the country with most internet and
telecommunications services.

According to Clarke, it was likely that officials reconfigured Libya’s
network topology during a shorter internet blackout in February so the
Government could later make bandwidth unavailable.

Australia too would have a single, large, fibre operator upon completion
of the $43 billion, Government-built National Broadband Network.

http://x2t.com/kill-switch

Cheers Don...

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Basically if there is a phone connection to outside the borders the
internet cant be blocked , it's just expensive

 

[Don McKenzie]

Basically if there is a phone connection to outside the borders the internet cant be blocked , it's just expensive

I had an Optus $5 a month account for a dial up service, as a backup, and for when I traveled. However in these days of
USB wireless modems, I decided I didn't need it, so I decided to cancel. This was what? 1 year ago?

When I rang them, they gave me a $30 credit bonus for canceling, as they wanted to decommission their dial up modems,
and felt this was a good way to deal with existing customers.

If ISPs are heading that way, and if dial up modems become as scarce as 3.5" drives on modern computers, then to dial
out in 5 or 10 years time, may well be an impossibility.

You would have to find a country with a dial up service, and be able to sign up for it. Will that be possible in the future?

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[Tom]

Basically if there is a phone connection to outside the borders the
internet cant be blocked , it's just expensive

Formally you are right but the point is that internet can be blocked as
mass media and communication tool, if government wanted to hide
something from the nation they wouldn't give a shit if you and maybe
five others accessed the internet from overseas.

Tom

 

[annily]

I had an Optus $5 a month account for a dial up service, as a backup,
and for when I traveled. However in these days of USB wireless modems, I
decided I didn't need it, so I decided to cancel. This was what? 1 year
ago?

When I rang them, they gave me a $30 credit bonus for canceling, as they
wanted to decommission their dial up modems, and felt this was a good
way to deal with existing customers.

If ISPs are heading that way, and if dial up modems become as scarce as
3.5" drives on modern computers,

I assume you mean 3.5" floppy disk drives.

 

[atec77]

Formally you are right but the point is that internet can be blocked as
mass media and communication tool, if government wanted to hide
something from the nation they wouldn't give a shit if you and maybe
five others accessed the internet from overseas.

Tom

Once you have access the information will be disseminated hence the crap
over the bloke who exposed the US govco with public information
two fronts there , the fact it wasn't hidden and he had the cheek to
expose the despots

 

[Don McKenzie]

I assume you mean 3.5" floppy disk drives.

Uhhhmmm......

Did I leave out floppy?
That can be painful on a winters night.



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[Alan]

I assume you mean 3.5" floppy disk drives.

Probably join the list of 5" and 8" floppy drives.

I've still got a box (sealed) of brand new Commoder 1.2MB 5' floppies
and also a copy of MS-DOS 4.01 on 5" floppies. Sadly all my 8'
floppies went years ago.

Something to be said for an 8" floppy

Alan

 

[Tom]

Once you have access the information will be disseminated hence the crap over the bloke who exposed the US govco with public information
two fronts there , the fact it wasn't hidden and he had the cheek to expose the despots

What you do with information, post it on Wikileaks for other five Australian with internet to read?

Tom

 

[atec77]

What you do with information, post it on Wikileaks for other five
Australian with internet to read?

Tom

cite on reduced numbers or is that just a bull shite guess ?
remember you can call overseas and take a connection from there or by
other means which needn't be disseminated

 

[atec77]

You can have whatever info you want, but with the internet down for
the country,
how are you going to share it with large numbers of your fellow
Australians ??
Unless they can all dial up to overseas as well, there is no option
for spreading.

Think 1980's when there was no internet for the ordinary person.

In the early days before the interweb became common there were BBs's and
of course several other ways
you can't shut it up

 

[terryc]

remember you can call overseas and take a connection from there or by
other means which needn't be disseminated

That was how Fidonet(worldwide BBS system) operated.
It is just a matter of who has modems and software salted away.

 

[atec77]

That was how Fidonet(worldwide BBS system) operated.
It is just a matter of who has modems and software salted away.

I used to run a bbs with dozens of regular callers , had a hellofa
collection

 

[Don McKenzie]

In the early days before the interweb became common there were BBs's and of course several other ways
you can't shut it up

Agreed.
However say every 13 year old kid had web access via their phone, and every home had access.
We have what 22 million people? At a wild over estimated guess say 20 million people have good access to the internet,
and 2 million didn't.

we have about 200 ISPs:
http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc/?action=list

If Joolia sent the army in to close them all down, and keep them closed (which is doable), then what percentage of the
the 20 million would have access to on line communications via overseas link ups to dial up modems?

I don't think you could do much social networking with that.
It is about sharing information, as was previously stated.

I often wonder how easy it would be to shut down the NBN, which will be running mainly on a slender thread of silica
glass. I guess about the same as a copper run. You just don't have to axe though as much of it, if axe is your weapon of
choice.

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[Swanny]

Agreed.
However say every 13 year old kid had web access via their phone, and
every home had access.
We have what 22 million people? At a wild over estimated guess say 20
million people have good access to the internet, and 2 million didn't.

we have about 200 ISPs:
http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc/?action=list

If Joolia sent the army in to close them all down, and keep them closed
(which is doable), then what percentage of the the 20 million would have
access to on line communications via overseas link ups to dial up modems?

I don't think you could do much social networking with that.
It is about sharing information, as was previously stated.

I often wonder how easy it would be to shut down the NBN, which will be
running mainly on a slender thread of silica glass. I guess about the
same as a copper run. You just don't have to axe though as much of it,
if axe is your weapon of choice.

Cheers Don...

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The Government's second phase would be to legislate against the use of
the Internet, probably on the grounds of National Security or such like.
Find a few geeks who bypassed the kill switch and string them up as an
example. Fear is an effective non-technical strategy.

 

[Murray Daniels]

Why do we 'want' a killswitch?

 

[SG1]

Probably join the list of 5" and 8" floppy drives.

Pendantic point 5.25 inches, we can't go around without that 1/4".

 

[SG1]

Why do we 'want' a killswitch?

We don't, but pollies like JooLiar might??????
Large amount snipped.

 

[Tom]

That was how Fidonet(worldwide BBS system) operated.
It is just a matter of who has modems and software salted away.

And how hard is to block the phone calls. In 60's and 70's I've seen
whole country with STD and international calls disabled for weeks at a
time during unrests...

Tom

 

[Rod Speed]

Tom wrote

terryc wrote

And how hard is to block the phone calls.

The problem with doing that is that its not practical, almost everything would stop.

Guess you could block international modem calls.

There are ways of getting the data for BBSs around that tho.

In 60's and 70's I've seen whole country with STD and international calls disabled for weeks at a time during
unrests...

Not first world countrys you havent.