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Ray Drouillard

We harvest rainwater the old-fashioned way. We have a well.


Ray
 
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Eric Gisin

Ha, Ha (voice of Nelson of Simpsons). You live in the country, but can't take
the shit in the water.

Maybe you should move to the city, or live in a cave and eat bugs and grass.
 
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Ray Drouillard

When I lived in the Detroit area, my water came from Lake Huron --
pretty clean stuff. A little filtering and a touch of chlorine, and
it's fine. Of course, I used a carbon block filter to remove the
chlorine before I drank it.

Now, we live in Central Michigan (just south of Cadillac), and get water
from a well. The stuff here at the cottage is fine, but with a little
more hardness than I like. The stuff at our new homestead (we close in
less than a week! Yay!) is wonderful stuff. I feel that we are very
fortunate.

By the way, the ag chemicals can be removed with a carbon block filter.
I highly recommend one for anyone who has doubts about his water.


Ray
 
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Steve Spence

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Arnold Walker

If you don't run a boiler or something that is affected by minerals
......minor difference.
The reason steamers fill on rainwater and surface.water
 
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Arnold Walker

Sewage off a bad or no septic tank can kill the ground water for a 2mile
radius of the area....
 
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Ray Drouillard

With all the depleted farmland, it's a crying shame that manure is
treated like toxic waste rather than a valuable resource. If they were
to put the stuff into a political machine (manure spreader) and fling it
into the depleted fields, the fields would get better, and so would the
ground water.


Ray
 
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Eric Gisin

How do you do that Steve? Stuff a cork up your ass? Burn your poop?
 
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Eric Gisin

My water comes from a well in limestone. My backyard/watershed is 100 km2 of
mountinous crown land with no farms, houses, hippies, etc. Even the creek
water is safe.

Thank you for confirming you are a troll.
 
Ask those people in Pennslyvania or whereever that Chi-Chi's served up the
scallions contaminated by hepatitis.

The human waste that caused that outbreak of hepatitis was shipped to Mexico
in the form of sludge and spread on the fields. The scallions were grown,
then shipped back to the NE for consumption.

Ain't NAFTA GREAT! Why, we can eat our own shit!

Spreading human waste on fields where human food production is done should
be a criminal act.

If you want to spread your shit on the ground, then eat the food that grows
from it... feel free.

Just dumping your shit on your veggie garden is asking for trouble. But
there are better ways.

http://www.weblife.org/humanure/default.html
http://www.holon.se/folke/lectures/agri/agriculture.shtml
http://www.rotaloo.com/
 
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Paul E. Bennett

Ray said:
With all the depleted farmland, it's a crying shame that manure is
treated like toxic waste rather than a valuable resource. If they were
to put the stuff into a political machine (manure spreader) and fling it
into the depleted fields, the fields would get better, and so would the
ground water.


Ray


"Steve Spence" <[email protected]> wrote in message


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It seems that using the manure as a fuel first then spreading the
resultant ash may actually be much better. There is a link from Steve's
site that tells of this process and the results that accrued.

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Steve Spence

I wonder why previously green areas are becoming drier ........

You can be wasteful if you want. At least I have a clean, secure water
supply, and a good garden that requires no chemical fertilizers or
pesticides.

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Ecnerwal

Ray Drouillard said:
It isn't household water usage that is drying up the aquifers out west.
It's irrigation.

True - with lawns and golf courses as well as farming being major users.
Water that is used in the house generally goes down the drain, into the
septic tank, and into some weeping tile. I'm sure that a small amount
evaporates, but most simply percolates down to the water table.

Unless it goes into a sewer, as the vast percentage do (cites have
sewers, and cities have more people than non-cities). I that case, it
ends up back in some river.
 
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Steve Spence

If my well is dry, and I can use a composting toilet, that reduces the
amount of water I need for my house. My front loader washer reduces my per
load water usage from 40 gallons to 14 gallons. All these things reduce my
daily costs. It's not about feeling good, it's about survival.


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Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel
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Anthony Matonak

Ray said:
It isn't household water usage that is drying up the aquifers out west.
It's irrigation.

Agreed, over 80% of water usage is agricultural.
Trying to relieve a water shortage by using a composting toilet is like
trying to solve the Mississippi flood by emptying it with a teacup.

True but perhaps the issue isn't relieving the water shortage but
instead supplying your own water. The less water your house needs
then the less it costs you.

Anthony
 
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Scott Willing

Well <g>, if you have a well that might possibly run dry, I commend you
for taking measures that will improve your comfort level.

Composting toilets, water saving appliances, recycling gray water, and
other technologies have their place.

Yep, and I'll wager it will eventually be a predominant place.
Rain water harvesting is interesting, too, but if the well runs dry,
that's probably because there has been little rain lately.

I have no problem with using technology that's appropriate to your area.
What I object to is the assertion that such technology is appropriate or
desirable for every area. Where I live, for instance, pulling water
from a well, using it, running it through a septic tank, and putting it
back into the ground works well. Pulling water from the Great Lakes,
using it, treating the waste, and putting it back also works well.

Not entirely, when you look at the amount of crud that gets added to
the water in the process, treated or not.

Just FYI, in our province the lion's share of private well
contaminations result from the owners' septic systems. It might be
tempting to conclude that they were all badly maintained or improperly
installed etc. but it seems equally likely that septic systems are not
that great of an idea to start with.

I'm quite happy with the idea of returning water to the local
environment after use, but we've become quite good at fouling that
water and returning it to the environment damaged.
If you live in the Sonoran desert, I would suggest more aggressive
measures. If you live on the moon, I would suggest that you treat air
with equal care.

Too bad we don't do the same here Ray, while we still have a choice.

-=s
 
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