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Matt Ion

petem said:
Matt next time I go to see our division in Surrey I will show you what is a
bastard!!
Heheheh!

By the way did you ever heard about Valley Alarm?they were in surrey...

I've seen their stickers around... can't say I've ever dealt with any of
them.


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F

Frank Olson

Forget DSC. I only carry their stuff for replacement parts these days.
I wouldn't recommend them for a new installation though.


Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

From BBA:

"DSC's comprehensive line of Intrusion Detection products represents a
degree of excellence unparalleled in the security industry. Installers
everywhere rely on DSC control panels, motion detectors, glassbreak
detectors, central station receivers and wireless sensors and receivers
when building the perfect security system. DSC's leadership role in
Intrusion Detection is based on quality products that deliver superior
performance and flexibility."

From your new "home-automation" site, once get past the "Ademco" label
on the control panel in the picture you get to read this:

"Real peace of mind begins with knowing your new security system was
built by DSC to the highest quality standards in the security industry..."

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
 
F

Frank Olson

petem wrote:

By the way did you ever heard about Valley Alarm?they were in surrey...

They're now "Protectron". I think they still maintain an office on 80th
Avenue. I drive past it every once in a while.
 
P

petem

next thing we will see is that he will say that is untrue,that's not on his
web site and you are a liar..
 
G

Guest

On the surface that panel seemed like a good idea but the truth of the
matter is that a lot of people have trouble locking the deadbolts on their
doors for a variety of reasons. In this case if the door swells up a tad
and you can't get the bolt all the way into the hole your alarm does not
arm. Most subs won't even have a clue that their alarm is not working.

Once upon a time all the alarm systems had keys and nobody had any codes to
forget.

There also weren't any entry/exit delays to cause false alarms or allow
burglars to steal everything by entering the front door and leave before the
entry delay expires.

Those were the good ole days.
 
J

Jim

On the surface that panel seemed like a good idea but the truth of the
matter is that a lot of people have trouble locking the deadbolts on their
doors for a variety of reasons. In this case if the door swells up a tad
and you can't get the bolt all the way into the hole your alarm does not
arm. Most subs won't even have a clue that their alarm is not working.

Once upon a time all the alarm systems had keys and nobody had any codes to
forget.

There also weren't any entry/exit delays to cause false alarms or allow
burglars to steal everything by entering the front door and leave before the
entry delay expires.

Those were the good ole days.

Yep, the good ole days when alarm systems weren't monitored and an
alarm system bell could ring for a whole week while your customer was
away on vacation. Boy, that's when they REALLY could build a good
quality, long lasting bell.
When batteries went bad and ate the bottom out of the panel.
When end of line batteries were needed but nobody ever remembered to
document where they were located.
When you had to use the nuts off the teminals of the Bright Star #6
batteries as spacers for the Ademco # 39 mag contacts.
When if you dropped a mag switch on the floor you had to throw it away.

When you only had to set a door strike to set your alarm at night but
then had to listen to your bell ring off in the moring when you opened
up, all the while you were trying to fit the stupid round #303 key in
the # 3039 lock.
When you had all twenty seven openings on one zone.
And twenty of the openings were industrial tilt opening factory windows
with either foil or bass wood screens.
There were oxidized bullet contacts and F springs, relays to clean, and
photo electric beams that used automobile headlight bulbs, but drew so
much current they couldn't be run from a dry cell during a power
failure and there was no such thing as a rechargeable standby battery
anyway.
There were shunt locks that required a 100 watt soldering iron to heat
the terminals which STILL wouldn't do anything to help you get all the
strands of wire into the damn hole anyway, To say nothing of melting
the insulation on the wire an inch up, only cured by wrapping black
tape around it. And THEN you rememberd that you didn't put the D ring,
back spacers and the tube on the wire first and had to unsolder it and
start over again.

And then of course we took a giant leap in technology and advaced to
when there were runaway tape dialers that would ring up a $150.00 phone
bill for your customer, over a long weekend, while the police
department had a wanted poster made up with your picture on it.

Yep Thems sure was the "good ole days"
 
M

Mark Leuck

My point still stands tho, every manufacturer will go through hoops to get
large companies like ADT including Napco
 
C

Crash Gordon

Yah really loved climbing an 18 foot ladder to change dry cells in the bell
boxes too.


|
| [email protected] wrote:
| > On the surface that panel seemed like a good idea but the truth of the
| > matter is that a lot of people have trouble locking the deadbolts on
their
| > doors for a variety of reasons. In this case if the door swells up a
tad
| > and you can't get the bolt all the way into the hole your alarm does not
| > arm. Most subs won't even have a clue that their alarm is not working.
| >
| > Once upon a time all the alarm systems had keys and nobody had any codes
to
| > forget.
| >
| > There also weren't any entry/exit delays to cause false alarms or allow
| > burglars to steal everything by entering the front door and leave before
the
| > entry delay expires.
| >
| > Those were the good ole days.
| >
|
| Yep, the good ole days when alarm systems weren't monitored and an
| alarm system bell could ring for a whole week while your customer was
| away on vacation. Boy, that's when they REALLY could build a good
| quality, long lasting bell.
| When batteries went bad and ate the bottom out of the panel.
| When end of line batteries were needed but nobody ever remembered to
| document where they were located.
| When you had to use the nuts off the teminals of the Bright Star #6
| batteries as spacers for the Ademco # 39 mag contacts.
| When if you dropped a mag switch on the floor you had to throw it away.
|
| When you only had to set a door strike to set your alarm at night but
| then had to listen to your bell ring off in the moring when you opened
| up, all the while you were trying to fit the stupid round #303 key in
| the # 3039 lock.
| When you had all twenty seven openings on one zone.
| And twenty of the openings were industrial tilt opening factory windows
| with either foil or bass wood screens.
| There were oxidized bullet contacts and F springs, relays to clean, and
| photo electric beams that used automobile headlight bulbs, but drew so
| much current they couldn't be run from a dry cell during a power
| failure and there was no such thing as a rechargeable standby battery
| anyway.
| There were shunt locks that required a 100 watt soldering iron to heat
| the terminals which STILL wouldn't do anything to help you get all the
| strands of wire into the damn hole anyway, To say nothing of melting
| the insulation on the wire an inch up, only cured by wrapping black
| tape around it. And THEN you rememberd that you didn't put the D ring,
| back spacers and the tube on the wire first and had to unsolder it and
| start over again.
|
| And then of course we took a giant leap in technology and advaced to
| when there were runaway tape dialers that would ring up a $150.00 phone
| bill for your customer, over a long weekend, while the police
| department had a wanted poster made up with your picture on it.
|
| Yep Thems sure was the "good ole days"
|
 
J

justsomeguy

A couple points on this one then you can all pile on me

1. I noticed that when Smitty posted the residential Dealers link url
from the Web site it was only 4 links nested into the home page, Serious
threat of being seen there huh?

2. Every year upon time for contract renewal all of your favorite
manufacturers submit their products and best pricing to each of these
national installation companies. (All of them) It has been that way since
there were large National Dealers. Alot of you previously used Moose (in
another life) they did it, Napco does it, All of the divisions making up GE
and Honeywell did it even before they were acquired.

3. If Smitty has done any amount of serious installs then there are
customers of his that have contracted large jobs on a repeat basis and if
that customer wanted his company to add links to his web site or give
quantity pricing (or jump through other hoops) then any reasonable business
person would do it. (or let me guess you are all in this for the betterment
of mankind)

4. Independent dealers are an important part of Honeywell's Customer
base. Large organizations like Honeywell or any of our competitors can not
afford to place all of our eggs in one basket any more than you can. How bad
did it hurt your business when Mosler went down? Where were you when Aritech
was hanging on by a thread just before Sentrol purchased them? (ADT kept
the lights on in the old Moose plant in Hickory in those days)
Anybody remember Arius? Yea, the outstanding accounts receivable due by the
thousands of independent dealers did them alot of good huh?

If you are serious about this then ask yourself a question,

Have I contacted my inside sales rep. at Honeywell and introduced myself and
do I know her by name so that if she gets a call from an end user in my
territory looking for service or install, I will be among folks that she
list?
Have I made sure that she has my correct phone and contact info?

well gotta go now so flame on!
 
F

Frank Olson

justsomeguy said:
A couple points on this one then you can all pile on me

1. I noticed that when Smitty posted the residential Dealers link url
from the Web site it was only 4 links nested into the home page, Serious
threat of being seen there huh?

"Smitty's" original post is off of my server, but I'm sure he wasn't the
one that posted the Dealer login and password. That was Bass.

2. Every year upon time for contract renewal all of your favorite
manufacturers submit their products and best pricing to each of these
national installation companies. (All of them) It has been that way since
there were large National Dealers. Alot of you previously used Moose (in
another life) they did it, Napco does it, All of the divisions making up GE
and Honeywell did it even before they were acquired.

I don't know what part of the solar system you've been in lately, but
the wholesalers I deal with give me their best pricing regardless. If I
found out otherwise... well... let's just say "the chop" is the least
of their worries...

3. If Smitty has done any amount of serious installs then there are
customers of his that have contracted large jobs on a repeat basis and if
that customer wanted his company to add links to his web site or give
quantity pricing (or jump through other hoops) then any reasonable business
person would do it. (or let me guess you are all in this for the betterment
of mankind)

As an alarm DEALER, I would never publish or provide the user name and
password to a manufacturer's (or whole-salers) secure dealer-only site.
You have only to read their terms and conditions to see why. If the
customer that contracted "large jobs" with me "on a repeat basis",
wanted access, I would be asking "why?" What can he get from a Dealer
only site that he couldn't get from me directly?? I can't think of a
single thing (although I'm sure RLB can - and will - post)...

4. Independent dealers are an important part of Honeywell's Customer
base. Large organizations like Honeywell or any of our competitors can not
afford to place all of our eggs in one basket any more than you can. How bad
did it hurt your business when Mosler went down?

I was working for Chubb. I seem to remember it was "Chubb/Mosler" at
one time... and no... it didn't "hurt us"... ;-)

Where were you when Aritech
was hanging on by a thread just before Sentrol purchased them? (ADT kept
the lights on in the old Moose plant in Hickory in those days)

I was installing and servicing Racal, Ademco, and DSC products.
Couldn't care less about "Aritech"...

Anybody remember Arius? Yea, the outstanding accounts receivable due by the
thousands of independent dealers did them alot of good huh?

Heard of 'em... Can't say their "folding" had any direct effect on me
(or my business)...

If you are serious about this then ask yourself a question,

Have I contacted my inside sales rep. at Honeywell and introduced myself and
do I know her by name so that if she gets a call from an end user in my
territory looking for service or install, I will be among folks that she
list?

Gawd!!! I hope he *won't*... We're booked solid into the New Year as
it is!!!

Have I made sure that she has my correct phone and contact info?

"He" sure does...

well gotta go now so flame on!

Grrrrrrr!!!!
I'm sure your Mom is askin': "Where did I go wrong?" :)
 
J

justsomeguy

Frank Olson said:
"Smitty's" original post is off of my server, but I'm sure he wasn't the
one that posted the Dealer login and password. That was Bass.

Had nothing to do with my point,
Average user is not going to go to mfg. as they don't install, let alone 4
sub directories in


I don't know what part of the solar system you've been in lately, but the
wholesalers I deal with give me their best pricing regardless. If I found
out otherwise... well... let's just say "the chop" is the least of their
worries...


I am in that part of the solar system that tells the truth, and after
installing for my folks company, then running my own business worked for
manufacturer for the past 18 years,

If it makes you feel good to think you get the same price and Brinks, ADT,
Rollins, Priority One etc you keep telling yourself so, (your rep is smiling
all the way to the bank)
As an alarm DEALER, I would never publish or provide the user name and
password to a manufacturer's (or whole-salers) secure dealer-only site.
You have only to read their terms and conditions to see why. If the
customer that contracted "large jobs" with me "on a repeat basis", wanted
access, I would be asking "why?" What can he get from a Dealer only site
that he couldn't get from me directly?? I can't think of a single thing
(although I'm sure RLB can - and will - post).

Again had nothing to to with my point, RLB and I had our own issues about
past panels and current opinions, my point is that Honeywell did nothing to
harm small dealers by posting National Companies on the dealer page. RLB had
no relevance to that point...
I was working for Chubb. I seem to remember it was "Chubb/Mosler" at one
time... and no... it didn't "hurt us"... ;-)

Either way its dead and it left owing beacoup of folks money
I was installing and servicing Racal, Ademco, and DSC products. Couldn't
care less about "Aritech"..

Then clearly question was not aimed at you but if you think you get the same
price or better that another division of TYCO gives its own company then you
are visiting the next solar system.
Heard of 'em... Can't say their "folding" had any direct effect on me (or
my business)...

If all you can say is heard of em then you were never in the bus at the time
of the dist. wars of the late '80s give me a break
Gawd!!! I hope he *won't*... We're booked solid into the New Year as it
is!!!

Amazes me that so many dealers post that they got so much work yet they post
way into the nite and thru the day, guess the elves are their installers,
Further with all this work they complain about some guy selling direct to
end users. seem illogical to me.
"He" sure does...



Grrrrrrr!!!!
I'm sure your Mom is askin': "Where did I go wrong?" :)

Had lunch with her today, she said no matter what Frank says she still loves
me,,,;^)
 
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