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Eeyore

At $1 per watt - a solar panel located in a region with 1,500 hours of
sunlight per year produces 1.5 kWh - with a 30 year life span and 8.5%
discount rate for capital and no other costs, that's $0.09 per 1.5 kWh
or $0.06 er kWh. So far so good.

That's about THREE times the cost of electricity fom coal.

Graham
 
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Eeyore

The cheapest battery I know that is in common use is lead acid.
Alright, lead acid costs $1.00 per
Watt hour of storage.

So, how come I can buy a 12V 80Ah (960Wh) car battery for about £50 ?

Do you NEVER stop telling LIES.

Graham
 
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Dan Bloomquist

Do you have the same attitude for off-shore oil drilling platforms?

Actually, I do.
THESE take decades, cost billions of dollars, and oftentimes do not
pay for themselves.

Is that a reason not to spend hundreds of billions of dollars - and
hundreds of lives - a year building deploying and operating them?

I have no Idea where you are getting your numbers.
http://www.rigzone.com/data/projects/project_list.asp

The answers are in the numbers obviously. American Petroleum
Institute said $401 billion was spent last year to increase reserves
by a measly 2% - which is an all time high for spending and an all
time low for reserve increase.

So? And I guess we are getting to that...
Yet by your logic, if this were anything BUT petroleum, you'd be quick
to point out the tremendous costs, technical difficulties, limited
life span, and huge political and economic burdens this system
causes.

Now that bald face lie emerges. But you are welcome to quote me if you
don't think it a lie.
You seem to have two standards here. One you apply to oil production
and use, another you demand for hydrogen.

I seem? Just because you claim?

<snip strange rant about gasoline safety, and even stranger rant about
Edison and Tesla>
So, we shouldn't expect human nature to change that much in the last
century and a half, but certainly, we should be wise enough to
discount obviously slanted views and claims like that offered by
Bloomquist and company.

If you are going to make this claim, back it up. Until then, you are
bald faced lier.

Here is what I do stand for Willie:
http://lakeweb.blogspot.com/

Would it be too much to ask you to get your head out of your ass?
 
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RadicalModerate

That's about THREE times the cost of electricity fom coal.
Is that compared to British or Chinese produced electricity?

How much does the environmental damage from acid rain and ill-health from
coalburning cost per GigaWatt of electricity produced?

If the coal is cleaned to remove heavy metals and sulfur (5 ppm S or
better), what does that do to the cost?
Does your cost for coalburned electricity include the cost of state of
the art scrubbers?

How about the pollution generated by the Diesel locomotives or
Bunker C ("bunker seed")-burning ships which haul coal from the
mine to the power plant?

Add in traffic disruption as those 50-100 car "unit trains" tie up grade
crossings (or whatever the intersection of a road and a railway is called
in the UK).
 
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Eeyore

RadicalModerate said:
Add in traffic disruption as those 50-100 car "unit trains" tie up grade
crossings (or whatever the intersection of a road and a railway is called
in the UK).

We tend to avoid 'level crossings' in the UK. Bridges, cuttings and viaducts
solve the problem.

Graham
 
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RadicalModerate

RadicalModerate wrote:
We tend to avoid 'level crossings' in the UK. Bridges, cuttings and viaducts
solve the problem.

OK, that reflects the fact G.B. was built-up a long time before the USA
was; in the USA, towns and cities sprung up along railways; as I'm sure
you know even to this day there are many sparsely-populated parts.
As a result of some high-profile grade-crossing tragedies (such as a
school bus stalling out in heavy traffic and being stopped on the tracks)
there is increasing pressure to phase out many of these crossings but of
course the question arises of who pays for it annd/or who is going to be
eminent-domained off their land

My point is all forms of large scale energy production and distribution
have hidden costs attached to them; the hidden costs of solar-to-hydrogen
seem much lower in human terms than fossil-fuels and nuclear when it comes
to producing electricity.

Hydro nowadays, there's simply no more rivers to dam up big enough to
make it worthwhile for Big Energy.

If someone can leverage obsolescent silicon-production infrastructure,
take advantage of tax-law quirks, and has access to large areas of "junk"
land with plenty of sunshine to produce hydrogen in quantities enough to
replace coal and at the same time repurpose that coal into motor and turn
into motor and turbine fuels at a market-attractive price and turn a
profit while he's at it GREAT :).
 
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