Low Battery- Ademco 5808 rf Smokes

[Doug]

You can test a heat detector with your hands...no need for hair drier.
You're old enough to know the secret trick right?

I can test the rate of rise OK, I can sometimes do the 135 fixed temp if
Jack lends me his extensive collection of magazines, but even with his
double top secrect collection I just can't generate enough friction to do
the 194 fixed temp. If the pages weren't all stuck together it might be
different.

Doug

 

[alarman]

I've seen 'em for 90 cents. Shipping is expensive, though.

Yea, me too. But they're not worth a damn.

 

[alarman]

The device requires 6v to operate (2 lithium 3v batteries in series)


I'm getting rid of the damn RF devices and hardwiring detectors and
contacts. Programming is very easy.

Let's play "What does this horses ass do for a living". Lessee...pretends to
know about alarms, too cheap to do it right, asks questions that expose his
immense stupidity, lashes out with insults to the trade when he is exposed,
claims the system was installed by pros, and then repeats over and over how
easy alarm system installation and programming is......DING

Computer programmer, or possibly network "engineer". Damn I'm good!
Anyone else want to play?

 

[A.J.]

Nah, probably an electronics tech. At least he is got the micro amps part
right thou.

 

[JoeRaisin]

As mentioned before, I didn't install the system- a security company
installed it. Face it- most of the guys installing these systems
might have graduated from high school and, believe it or not, might be
able to read. But typically they have no knowledge about the
equipment's electronics.

Ever heard the term "trunk slammer?"

The techs I work with all have electronics training either through trade
school, regular college or the military. New hires had to pass a basic
electronics knowledge test before they could even be interviewed.

Get over yourself. Wait, I'll help.

So you are saying that you knew the system was installed by morons and
even though you recognized that a device had been installed in an
unsuitable environment you did nothing to correct this danger to your
family's safety but hack together a substitute power supply.

Yep... you da' man.

I love playing with alarm systems and am greatly amazed at the
stupidity of installers. Too bad if that offends you guys but stop
ripping people off with gadgets that don't work....like.....motion
detectors that aren't sensitive to pets....and aiming motion detectors
at heating devices.

I'm not offended - I like to think I do my job very very well. Folks
get what they pay for. You can go cheap and hire a company that trains
pin-heads to screw devices to the walls and then sends them out with
pre-programmed panels to slap in as many systems as they can in a day -
or - you can pony up and hire a company that uses techs who know what
they're doing.

And... If the customer wanted to leave their relatively small pet
running around their house while the system is armed, then wouldn't they
'want' a motion detector that wasn't sensitive to pets?

Well, to put it bluntly.....ever hear of "smoke in a can" or just a
smoking paper towel? You, didn't mention the method you use to test
detectors. I test all of the detectors in our house once per month.
Yes, once per month. Also....have you ever used a hair dryer to test
the heat detector elements?

Yes, I've heard of 'smoke in a can' and I did mention the method I use -
ever heard of 'smoke-check'?

As for heat detectors, I think the 'Miyagi method' is the coolest way to
do it.

BTW, when the NFPA 72 talks about testing of heat detectors, they don't
mean with a hair dryer.

 

[Crash Gordon]

LOL


--
**Crash Gordon**

I can test the rate of rise OK, I can sometimes do the 135 fixed temp if
Jack lends me his extensive collection of magazines, but even with his
double top secrect collection I just can't generate enough friction to do
the 194 fixed temp. If the pages weren't all stuck together it might be
different.

Doug

 

[JoeRaisin]

No, genius, it's not self monitored. None of you dummies have
mentioned anything about the current draw of of an 5808 LST (Ademco)
detector. No doubt it's in milli or micro amps.

I'm glad I'm not one of your "customers". Is your work mostly in
trailer parks?

LOL - Trust me, we're glad you're not our customer either.

Yeah... that would be just what the doctor ordered - an arrogant
neophyte mucking around with a system connected to my central station.

 

[Crash Gordon]

Propane torch is a great way to test heats.
Ping!
What was that sound?




--
**Crash Gordon**

 

[JoeRaisin]

The device requires 6v to operate (2 lithium 3v batteries in series)


I'm getting rid of the damn RF devices and hardwiring detectors and
contacts. Programming is very easy.

Use a Heat Detector in an unheated attic.

 

[JoeRaisin]

Propane torch is a great way to test heats.
Ping!
What was that sound?

Heh-heh

 

[Jim]

Propane torch is a great way to test heats.
Ping!
What was that sound?

Yeh but .... but ..... if you hold it just the r...i...g...h....t....
distance away..... for just the r...i ... g.....h ... t amount of
time ...... it works!

See ... you wunt know bout that, caus .... only and expurt knows how
to do that there kinda stuff.

 

[Jim]

As mentioned before, I didn't install the system- a security company
installed it. �Face it- most of the guys installing these systems
might have graduated from high school and, believe it or not, might be
able to read. �But typically they have no knowledge about the
equipment's electronics.

I love playing with alarm systems and am greatly amazed at the
stupidity of installers. �Too bad if that offends you guys but stop
ripping people off with gadgets that don't work....like.....motion
detectors that aren't sensitive to pets....and aiming motion detectors
at heating devices.

Well, to put it bluntly.....ever hear of "smoke in a can" or just a
smoking paper towel? �You, didn't mention the method you use to test
detectors. �I test all of the detectors in our house once per month.
Yes, once per month. �Also....have you ever used a hair dryer to test
the heat detector elements?-

I'm going to take a wild guess here and bet that you hired the guy
with the lowest price ....... Right? Or maybe a friend or a relative?
Someone moonlighting or who does it "on the side"? Or .... how much
research did you do up front ...... before you chose ..... "just the
right guy to do the job"?

 

[Spellcheck Patrol]

As mentioned before, I didn't install the system- a security company
installed it. <

So why are you here begging advice? Call your security company.

Face it- most of the guys installing these systems
might have graduated from high school and, believe it or not, might be
able to read. <

Yet you are begging advice from these poorly educated installers.
That speaks volumes about your decision making skills.

But typically they have no knowledge about the
equipment's electronics. <

Typically? When did you complete the poll?

I love playing with alarm systems and am greatly amazed at the
stupidity of installers. <

I'd wager alarm systems aren't the only thing you are known for
playing with.

Too bad if that offends you guys <

Offend me? You don't know what offensive is kid.

but stop
ripping people off with gadgets that don't work....like.....motion
detectors that aren't sensitive to pets....and aiming motion detectors
at heating devices <

As long as idiots like you will fork over cash for devices that don't
work I will keep selling them. I love taking money from stupid people.
It's my sole purpose in life. Thank you kindly for contributing.

Well, to put it bluntly.....ever hear of "smoke in a can" <

Why do I find it doubtful that smoke is the only thing you enjoy in
the can?

or just a
smoking paper towel? <

Smoke your computer and go away you fucktard.

You, didn't mention the method you use to test
detectors. <

We did mention it but you were too busy burning paper towels.

I test all of the detectors in our house once per month. <

Do you put your little tool belt on and pretend you're Schneider while
doing it?

Yes, once per month. <

The other days you walk around with scuba gear and test the waterflow
of the toilets?

Also....have you ever used a hair dryer to test
the heat detector elements? <

You should try that in the tub.

 

[Spellcheck Patrol]

No, genius, it's not self monitored. None of you dummies have
mentioned anything about the current draw of of an 5808 LST (Ademco)
detector. No doubt it's in milli or micro amps.

I'm glad I'm not one of your "customers". Is your work mostly in
trailer parks? <

So you're putzing around with a monitored system? That's good news for
the alarm company since you've now relieved them of any liability
whatsoever should there be an incident at your home. Wow you're a
genius.
Here's a little tidbit for you. People in trailer parks are smart
enough, and responsible enough to contact a professional when their
security system needs service. You on the other hand have no qualms
about jeopardizing your family's safety to satisfy your ego.

 

[Spellcheck Patrol]

Let's play "What does this horses ass do for a living". Lessee...pretends to
know about alarms, too cheap to do it right, asks questions that expose his
immense stupidity, lashes out with insults to the trade when he is exposed,
claims the system was installed by pros, and then repeats over and over how
easy alarm system installation and programming is......DING

Computer programmer, or possibly network "engineer". Damn I'm good!
Anyone else want to play? <

I think you pegged it.

 

[Japers]

GOOD ADVICE

I COMMEND ANYONE WHO IS TRYING TO HELP OTHERS. THOUGH I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN I SEE SOMEONE TALKING DOWN TO AN INNOCENT. THEN THE REST OF THE CLIQUE CHIMES IN. THIS IS DISGRACEFUL AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY ANY NEED TO USE SARCASM AND MAKE FUN OF SOMEONE FOR TRYING TO HELP THEMSELVES FROM BEING RIPPED OFF OR WHATEVER. IF YOU ARE AN EXPERT, OR JUST KNOW A BIT MORE THAN SOME ON ANY GIVEN TOPIC, PLEASE CONTINUE TO LEND A HAND WITH ADVICE OR EXPLANATION. ALL THOSE THAT ACT LIKE THEY ARE BORN WITH INFORMATION AND MUST TALK DOWN TO AN "END USER" AND SPACE OUT THEIR WORDS FOR PURPOSES OF BELITTLEMENT WHILE THEY'RE ON THEIR SELF PROCLAIMED PEDESTAL, WILL ONE DAY GET THE SAME TREATMENT WHEN LOOKING FOR A LITTLE HELP. I HARDLY WONDER ANYMORE WHY CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE SO MISERABLE? EXPERTS ARE NOT AFRAID TO SHARE INFO. WITH ANYONE IN NEED. IT'S THE WANNABE THAT'S ALWAYS AFRAID OF BEING REPLACED. RESPECT IS EARNED, NEVER ASSUMED. AND IF YOU CAN'T BE NICE TO PEOPLE, DON'T SAY ANYTHING. BE AS COMPASSIONATE AS YOU WOULD EXPECT SOMEONE TO TREAT YOUR FAMILY. THAT IS IF YOUR FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE ANY. BUT PLEASE KNOW THAT IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO CHANGE