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Robert Latest
Tim said:As in one-shots?
Well, yes, but up to 10 seconds so I opted for an oscillator/divider
approach.
robert
Tim said:As in one-shots?
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:22:56 -0700, Jim Thompson
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:16:26 -0800, John Larkin
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and ghastly
substrate diode issues, too.
Not sure what you're referring to here. Pulling an input way below
ground??
Not way below, more like -0.3 volts! If you do that to a single input,
*all* the amp stages can go bonkers. It's really amazing.
The old National linear book, printed on dirty brown tissue paper, had
a tiny, barely-readable footnote on the '324 data sheet, in about
3-point type, that warned of the -0.3 volt thing.
Hey, here it is:
http://s2.supload.com/free/LM324.JPG/view/
John
Hmmmm! -0.3V was a CYA thing, it took a vBE below ground to
disrupt... and I've only seen issues with a single OpAmp, not the
whole package... UNLESS: OpAmp railing tripped the PNP mirrors on
certain brands ??
...Jim Thompson
It was not far from 0.3 on the National parts, and all four opamps
would rail, one polarity at first, then they'd rail in the other
direction as the clamping current was increased. I wouldn't joke about
a thing like this.
John
Of course I thought about that, especially since I could just read out, say,
10 pots via a multiplexer and control 10 timing channels that way.
Problem is: I've never gotten my head around any embedded design, so I'm
staying in the analog domain.
BTW, the gadget in question is a "sequencer" that actuates some relays after
individually programmable delays. It's going to be used for special effects
in a film studio.
Robert Latest said:Well, just yesterday I designed-in a 555 (a 7555, actually) for the first
time in m,y life. I need an oscillator whose frequency can be changed over a
range of at least 200:1 with a 100k 10-turn pot. You need something with
some oomph to whack that timing cap around with R < 500 ohms.
Anything better for this than the 555? 100k is the limit for the pot because
they get pricey for higher values.
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Yeah, that's a good idea. With the spec's for the LED's Vf all over
the place and its tempco causing that Vf to drift, it's going to be
really likely that it's going to fit in just right between the
logic's Voh an Vol. Oh, well, though, you've got it covered with
that: "or something."
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If you're getting annoyed, then this _is_ real life.
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Certainly not, but that's not what I was talking about. What I
_was_ talking about was that since you said "we" in reference to the
design, then you must have been a part of it, which is in conflict
with your statement: "I didn't design this particular level
shifter,"
Actually it's in the current datasheets of the LM393 as well! I got bitten
by this just yesterday in a circuit where the 393 goes haywire when the
input goes negative, fed through a 50k resistor, despite my having added
clamp diodes. I put in a Schottky diode but haven't tested this yet.
Very annoying. I don't have any resonable negative rail to work with (just
-40V), there's little space on the board etc. I can yank up the input series
resistor and pray to get away with the Schottky. This is a one-off.
0.3V is weird. I always figured I'd pretty safe with a diode drop. Not so.
robert
Of course I thought about that, especially since I could just read out, say,
10 pots via a multiplexer and control 10 timing channels that way.
Problem is: I've never gotten my head around any embedded design, so I'm
staying in the analog domain.
BTW, the gadget in question is a "sequencer" that actuates some relays after
individually programmable delays. It's going to be used for special effects
in a film studio.
robert
A *power* schottky should work.
The LM35 family of temperature sensors is similarly delicate. The
thing about them is that National *tells* you to pull the outputs
below ground to read negative temperatures. My advice is to not do it.
If you want to read below 0C, use the Fahrenheit version and don't
pull it below ground.
John
That might work until the hardware comes back. I'm having theIf you program an fpga in vhdl or verilog and treat it as a pure logic
engine, you don't have to know much about electricity.
Jan said:Especially in the 'film studio', I am familiar with that environment,
if they see something, then they also have a hundred more ideas of things
they want.
Re-programmable logic may just allow you to provide it to them fast.