Internal wiring of USA v UK mains plug

[Eeyore]

There is a crucial distinction between the kettle, in which the water is
boiled, and the teapot, in which the tea is brewed (infused). If you've
been putting the tea leaves (or even bags) in the kettle, it's no wonder
the Americans prefer coffee.

There are other kinds of kettle, with neither side- handle nor spout,
but that's a different kettle of fish.

A 'kettle' is of course historically simply a word for a container.

It seems to me that Tam is confusing the British kettle meaning electric or
cordless kettle with the American 'tea kettle' which is not a term used in the
UK.

Graham

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

There is the charming British expression "Oh go boil your head,

ITYM 'Awa 'n' bile yer heed, Jimmy.

 

[Spurious Response]

There are other kinds of kettle, with neither side- handle nor spout,
but that's a different kettle of fish.

Out of the frying pan, and into the kettle...

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

If all else fails, read the instruction book. I didn't see anything in
the cookbook about pots/pans, but according to Webster's Dictionary a
kettle is a bowl shaped metal utensil. I take that to mean it has a
rounded bottom, like what one would use for making witches brew.
Probably not useful on an electric stove.

Go for a simple dictionary:-

Collins GEM English Dictionary
kettle n. container with a spout and handle used for boiling water. ˜a
fine kettle of fish an awkward situation.

By that kettle has also an older meaning in the UK. There's also a paint
kettle - an open pan with wire handle used by decorators.

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Except that you cannot place your veggies in there, or any other
cooking need.

Nor can you with a frying pan. Have you a fetish for only using one type
of cooking utensil?

Some people do more than drink tea. We use continuously boiling water
for many cooking needs, and those are the only needs I have, and my cup
of tea works just fine with water that only takes a few minutes to boil
over a trickle flame.

Continuously boiling water for cooking needs?

I know how to apply heat to a surface and waste very little.

If you are boiling water 'continuously while cooking' you know nothing
about conserving energy. Or cooking, come to that.
Of course you could just be a troll.

 

[Paul Burke]

Except that you cannot place your veggies in there, or any other
cooking need.

Hey, you never met my dad. He used to boil eggs in the electric kettle.
I think you can place your stuff in there, it's getting it out again
that's the problem. But if you've forgotten to let the Beaujolais settle
to room temperature, DON'T try putting it in the electric kettle for a
quick boost.

Some people do more than drink tea.

All those civil servants sitting around drinking endless cups of tea.
But if the cups are endless, how do they get the tea out?

We use continuously boiling water...those are the only needs I have

Some people are so easily satisfied.

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:38:57 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"


3kW to make tea or coffee?

Talk about waste. Ol' Gore would be over for a party to join you, if
you let him have a news broadcast of how much electric gets wasted in UK
kitchens, he'll fly over (wasting fuel) and have tea with you (wasting
power).

Thanks for confirming you don't know the difference between energy and
power. It's pretty common with cretins.

 

[John Larkin]

Here, a kettle can be anything from a tea kettle to a giant two foot
deep pot for LA Gumbo.

Kettle? We just cut a 55-gallon drum in half.

John

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Hey, you never met my dad. He used to boil eggs in the electric kettle.
I think you can place your stuff in there, it's getting it out again
that's the problem. But if you've forgotten to let the Beaujolais settle
to room temperature, DON'T try putting it in the electric kettle for a
quick boost.


All those civil servants sitting around drinking endless cups of tea.
But if the cups are endless, how do they get the tea out?

With their endless red tape, of course!

Some people are so easily satisfied.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Tam/WB2TT]

There is a crucial distinction between the kettle, in which the water is
boiled, and the teapot, in which the tea is brewed (infused). If you've
been putting the tea leaves (or even bags) in the kettle, it's no wonder
the Americans prefer coffee.

There are other kinds of kettle, with neither side- handle nor spout, but
that's a different kettle of fish.

Paul Burke

For what it's worth, the dictionary defines a cauldron as a large kettle. So
to me, a kettle looks something like a cauldron, but not as big. I don't
know anybody who owns an electric tea brewer, though I do own 3 electric
coffee pots. The UK folks might be ripe for a samovar.

Tam

 

[Spurious Response]

Kettle? We just cut a 55-gallon drum in half.

John

So, how many PCBs do you think you have introduced into your body over
the years with all the various and sundry exposure events we Americans
have the opportunity to endure?

Amount needed to cause a malignancy mutation: 2 parts per Billion.

 

[bz]

Of course not! it'd take three and twentyy seconds.


for a heating element immersed in the water it is almost exactly linear,
do the math.

Bye.
Jasen

Some useful information:
1 cup is about 236.6 ml.
It take 1 cal to raise 1 ml of water by 1 degree.
A watt is about 0.239 cal/second.

Let us assume the cup of water starts at 25 C and you want to raise it to
100 C, that is 75 degrees that we want to heat the water.

So, it will require (236.6 ml x 75 deg x 1 cal/(deg x ml)) = 17744.25 cal
to raise a cup of water 75 deg C.

You can deliver those cals at any rate you like[see notes below]. A 1 kw
heater will deliver 239 cal per second. A 2 kw heater will deliver at
twice that rate.

74.3 seconds to heat a cup with a 1 kw heater.
37.1 seconds to heat a cup with a 2 kw heater.
[notes: ignoring losses in wiring, assuming efficient heat transfer from
heater to water, assuming no loss of heat from cup+heater combination]

If you want to factor in any of those, please state your assumptions [such
as thermal transfer resistance between heater and water, between container
and air. Those act much like series resistors as far as the heat is
concerned. You can model temperature difference as voltage drop and heat
transfer as current if you like. Any good engineering heat transfer text
will show you exactly how to do this{but in this case, it won't really
matter all that much}].





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bz 73 de N5BZ k

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

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[Eeyore]

For what it's worth, the dictionary defines a cauldron as a large kettle. So
to me, a kettle looks something like a cauldron, but not as big. I don't
know anybody who owns an electric tea brewer, though I do own 3 electric
coffee pots. The UK folks might be ripe for a samovar.

You're fixating over a combined device for heating the water and brewing the
tea.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

It take 1 cal to raise 1 ml of water by 1 degree.
A watt is about 0.239 cal/second.

Does the USA still teach calories rather than Joules ?

Graham

 

[Spurious Response]

Does the USA still teach calories rather than Joules ?

kiloCalories. Based on (utilizes) BTUs.

 

[Eeyore]

kiloCalories. Based on (utilizes) BTUs.

Bizarre.

Graham

 

[bz]

Does the USA still teach calories rather than Joules ?

Both can be found in most text books.

Dieters still count calories.

It is a lot easier for ME to remember that it takes one cal to raise one mL
of water one deg C than it would be to remember to use 4.187 Joules for the
same task.



--
bz 73 de N5BZ k

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

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[John Larkin]

So, how many PCBs do you think you have introduced into your body over
the years with all the various and sundry exposure events we Americans
have the opportunity to endure?

Amount needed to cause a malignancy mutation: 2 parts per Billion.

If you're willing to eat the crawfish, there's not a lot of point in
worrying about stuff leached off the drum. US cancer rates have been
gradually declining for decades, so we must be doing something right.

Are PCBs really carcinogenic? There are lots of references that say
not.


John

noting that PCB = polychlorinated biphenyl, not pc board

 

[Spurious Response]

Bizarre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_thermal_unit

 

[Spurious Response]

Both can be found in most text books.

Dieters still count calories.

It is a lot easier for ME to remember that it takes one cal to raise one mL
of water one deg C than it would be to remember to use 4.187 Joules for the
same task.

Joules is now in use.

The calorie as is used in talk regarding dietary intake actually refers
to the kilocalorie.