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Eeyore

Nope. Scoring higher than 135 on an IQ test is like weighing something
on a spring scale that is heavy enough to permanently stretch the
spring

BOLLOCKS.

Typical AGWist thinking, why bother with the real numbers ?

So, Bill what's YOUR IQ ? 90 ?

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Here we do know something about the object that was measured, and your
practical intelligence is - to put it kindly - unremarkable.

So, do tell, what WOULD be remarkable ? I do know a chap with a 160+ IQ and
he certainly is smart but not necessarily Mr Practical.

You may treasure your "near genius IQ"

NO. Not 'near genius' but full-blown "genius". In the top 1-2 %. For several
years that ("genius") was in fact my given (not requested) login name to the
LAN.

as some kind of security blanket,

I need no blanket. If you knew the half of me you'd understand why.

but the very fact that you take it seriously demonstrates that you haven't
got a clue.

YOU seem to be taking it very seriously I have to say.

Graham
 
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Eeyore

I've worked on phased array diagnostic ultrasound, electron
microscopes, electron beam microfabricators and electron beam testers
(which is to say adapted electron microscopes), and a couple of
measuring instruments for the brewing industry. Search on Google
Scholar for "A W Sloman" for more detail. It picks up a couple of
patents and a few published papers.

OK, interesting stuff but when were you last active in this realm ?

What have you worked on? It isn't all that obvious from what you post
here.

Many know that I am by choice an expert pro-audio designer and I enjoy working
in this field, music being a great interest of mine. But that is far from all
I have done.

Some of the most interesting tasks I have been involved in outside the audio
area included early fax machines (for Rank Xerox Engineering Group), many
applications of electronics for scientific photography (London Scientific
Films of Camden) including writing the software for as 'paintbox' style
program, and two succesful captures of 'runaway' project programs, one a
marine radar for the Smiths plc Group, the other a laser photolithographic
typresetting equipment.

The last 2 examples resulted in the client companies offering me the
possibility of very senior permanent positions (Technical manager for a Smiths
plc Group company for example at age 36) . In the radar instance I was
especially taken by the fact that the full-time staff I had been working with
were very keen that I apply for the post. They *wanted* me. I consider that
the highest ever merit I have achieved.

Graham
 
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Richard Henry

So, do tell, what WOULD be remarkable ? I do know a chap with a 160+ IQ and
he certainly is smart but not necessarily Mr Practical.


NO. Not 'near genius' but full-blown "genius". In the top 1-2 %. For several
years that ("genius") was in fact my given (not requested) login name to the
LAN.


I need no blanket. If you knew the half of me you'd understand why.


YOU seem to be taking it very seriously I have to say.

I'm glad it didn't go to your head.
 
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Martin Griffith

It's a FACT.

I doubt you score much over 130-140. Way too gullible., together with an absence of critical thought.

Graham

You could claim for disablity allowance, or maybe a trip to Oz, and a
visit to "our Phil" for a beer in a bar might be a quicker cure


martin
 
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Martin Griffith

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:49:47 -0700 (PDT), in sci.electronics.design
No matter how well you did, that's what your final score would mean -
once you can go through an IQ test fast enough to do all the tests,
and have enough time over to check them, you are not doing the test in
the way that it was designed to be done, and your final score just
registers the fact that you were off the scale on the (limited) stuff
they do test.

You do seem to be an object lesson in the inadequacies of IQ tests as
a means of assessing real-world competence. For one thing you haven't
ever found this out for yourself, which would have saved you from
making a prat of yourself by boasting about a high, but largely
meaningless score.
Hi
Just been amusing myself, (with this thread,) not knowing much about
IQ, but was told I'm in 120+ ish class, but then i moved to Spain.

Is IQ a lin or log function, and do Mensa still have a low interest
rate credit card?

kthxbye,


martin
 
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Eeyore

Richard said:
I'm glad it didn't go to your head.

Indeed.

Only the other week my GP (general practicioner) Doctor or 'MD' as Americans call
them complimented me on my grasp of the condition I needed treatment for. I had
actually brought with me the latest NICE guidelines for treatment nicely printed
off.. He said he reckoned I was better informed about it than he was but I laughed
it off, it's best to keep a good relationship with the practice's senior partner
and I'm sure he's not that daft, he's an OK guy in fact.

FACT btw. NOT a joke, although in a sensible world it ought to have been.

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Martin said:
You could claim for disablity allowance, or maybe a trip to Oz, and a
visit to "our Phil" for a beer in a bar might be a quicker cure

Me ? What do *I* need to claim for ?

It looks like Bill needs a boost, not myself.

With hindsight, I have to admit I was a bit disappointed when I only scored 144 though ( about age 10).

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Hi
Just been amusing myself, (with this thread,) not knowing much about
IQ, but was told I'm in 120+ ish class, but then i moved to Spain.

120 is typically a good reliable but not entirely inspirational engineer.

I'd be happy to have plenty of 120s on the staff for sure though. They're
the kind of guys that get things done without getting too distracted (like
I might).

Graham
 
M

Martin Griffith

snip

With hindsight, I have to admit I was a bit disappointed when I only scored 144 though ( about age 10).

Graham

think log

IQ +- 3db

your are not that bright.

I did minesweepers in 3 seconds, OK it was just the little one


martin
 
120 is typically a good reliable but not entirely inspirational engineer.

Rubbish. Did you have access to the IQ scores of your "good reliable
but not all that inspired engineers"? Or did you guess on their IQ
scores on the basis of their behaviour?
I'd be happy to have plenty of 120s on the staff for sure though. They're
the kind of guys that get things done without getting too distracted (like
I might).

Distractability is independent of intelligence. People who know more -
which reflects education and reading habits rather than intelligence
as such - can get distracted (or look distracted to their managers
which isn't quite the same thing). Creativity - which is another
independent dimension - can also distract people from what the manager
perceives as the main chance
 
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Eeyore

Creativity - which is another
independent dimension - can also distract people from what the manager
perceives as the main chance

Most man agers I know would barely rate 90 on a good day.

One ignores then as far as possible and if in doubt tells them what to do. That
usually shuts them up.

Graham
 
It's how they do that 'smoothing' that strikes me as highly suspect.

Something not dissimilar involving stuff called PCs, that are a bit over my
head so far (until I really study it up) is what created Mann's hockey stick
(now wholly discredited by the IPCC).

PC stands for "principal component" as in "principal component
analysis". Someone who doesn't know that is or can't be bothered to
find it out (it took me about three minutes with Google to work out
what PC had to stand for in this context) really isn't in a position
to claim that anything strikes them as "highly suspect".
If the 'science' and maths/statistics is THAT weak WTF are we doing worrying
over it ?

Mann was obviously out of his depth. It is a great pity that the
IPCC's own peer review didn't catch up with him, but - having done
some of that kind of work - I can tell you that digging into someone
elses data and data analysis is the intellectual equivalent of ditch-
digging, and no fun at all. One has to wonder about the motivation of
the two Canadians who did do the ditch-digging - Ross McKitrick's
discussion

http://www.climatechangeissues.com/files/PDF/conf05mckitrick.pdf

does seem to include snide cracks about the IPCC at every possible
opportunity.
In the meantime we have a REAL energy shortage (oil) of some note, the
simple solutions to which such as energy efficiency would fix not only that
energy crisis but ameliorate any concerns about the role of CO2 in the
atmosphere too.

Probably not, Check out George Monbiot's "Heat" ISBN-10: 038566222X
ISBN-13: 978-0385662222, where he does the numbers.
But NO ! What do we get instead, greenies screaming for more taxes to
subsidise inefficient and wasteful 'alternative power generation' like the
biggest waste of money, PV Solar.

PV Solar is getting cheaper as the volume of production ramps up - at
the moment it seems to be conforming to the usual rule that a ten-fold
increase in production volume halves the unit price. See

http://www.iea.org/textbase/work/2007/learning/discussion_paper.pdf

On page seven they estimate break-even dates. Photovoltaic is expected
to make it around 2040-45, and is going to a take a cumulative
investment of some $604 billion, which is a little more than the US
has spent in Irak to date ($500 billion).

http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/10/news/economy/costofwar.fortune/index.htm
What a bunch of utter FUCKWITS !!!

Perhaps not. The US is making a much poorer investment in Irak.
Pumping money into PV Solar now is at least getting us up the learning
curve.
 
Hi
Just been amusing myself, (with this thread,) not knowing much about
IQ, but was told I'm in 120+ ish class, but then i moved to Spain.

Is IQ a lin or log function, and do Mensa still have a low interest
rate credit card?

I can't help you with Mensa - Clive Sinclair is the archetypical
member, and it's not the kind of club I'd care to join.

IQ doesn't really correlate with the real world closely enough to let
you distinguish between a logarithmic or a linear relationship. What
is does best is to correlate with your capacity to take instructions
and apply them, which is to say, your capacity to study for and to
pass exams.

It's pretty much useless at predicting how good you are at your job,
provided that you have the bare minimum IQ needed to get into the job.
Some firms - ITT-Creed was one - used to run IQ tests on all their job
candidates, and the correlation betwee the measured IQ's of the people
they hired and their eventual success was essentially zero.
 
OK, interesting stuff but when were you last active in this realm ?


Many know that I am by choice an expert pro-audio designer and I enjoy working
in this field, music being a great interest of mine.

Pro-audio doesn't have that much to do with music. I've got a private
project - which isn't going to go anywhere because it is too expensive
- to build a better electric piano keyboard, which duplicates the feel
(which is to say, the proprioceptive feedback) that you get from a
real piano keyboard. Brent Gillespie has worked out the theory

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~brentg/Publications/Conference/icmc92.pdf

and he put together a one octave working model (also published) but he
needed narrower motors for an 88-key keyboard that could be narrow
enough for a pianist to be able to reach both ends.
But that is far from all
I have done.

Some of the most interesting tasks I have been involved in outside the audio
area included early fax machines (for Rank Xerox Engineering Group), many
applications of electronics for scientific photography (London  Scientific
Films of  Camden) including writing the software for as 'paintbox' style
program, and two succesful captures of 'runaway' project programs, one a
marine radar for the Smiths plc Group, the other a laser photolithographic
typresetting equipment.

Sounds like fun.
The last 2 examples resulted in the client companies offering me the
possibility of very senior permanent positions (Technical manager for a Smiths
plc Group company for example at age 36) . In the radar instance I was
especially taken by the fact that the full-time staff I had been working with
were very keen that I apply for the post. They *wanted* me. I consider that
the highest ever merit I have achieved.

You don't have to be all that good to be better than the usual British
technical manager. I hated the management side of the jobs I did, but
still managed to provide better than average management, not helped at
all by my managers, who wanted me to waste time delegating even when
it took longer than doing the job myself, and to waste time refining
elaborate project plans which they should have known were going to
collapse as soon as they hit the real world.
 
J

Jonathan Kirwan

Nope. Scoring higher than 135 on an IQ test is like weighing something
on a spring scale that is heavy enough to permanently stretch the
spring - all you know about the weight of the object that you are
measuring is that it is off scale.

Here we do know something about the object that was measured, and your
practical intelligence is - to put it kindly - unremarkable. You may
treasure your "near genius IQ" as some kind of security blanket, but
the very fact that you take it seriously demonstrates that you haven't
got a clue.

Bill, what you've written on the topic here fits my own experiences
and is comprehensively reasoned.

It doesn't surprise me to see Eeyore trying to pretend to be an
authority now, as though that helps his case at all. What would help
it is to argue from a comprehensive, instead of a narrow, view that
encompasses _all_ of the knowledge on a topic instead of the picking
and choosing he consistently prefers.

Even the very best minds aren't taken on the mere authority of their
say-so or their scores on an IQ test. Such have been wrong about most
things they believed, anyway. We read them for the way they think
about the world, not for the way they have concluded about it.

It would serve Eeyore a great deal to actually sit down and study
_all_ of the papers from Rasool & Schnieder's 1971 paper on CO2 and
aerosols (a 1D interpretation and probably one of the first papers to
introduce aerosols quantitatively -- despite being wrong on its
conclusions about atmospheric CO2) up through the most modern ones,
which have greatly narrowed in scope and are numerous, today. And
only then, after having mastered them, to bring into the discussion
the appropriate points he's learned in the process.

Rather than throwing some random IQ score he feels proud about... I
had been pulled out of school, a few years before I would attend a
university scholars program here, sporadically for various kinds of IQ
testing. So much, in fact, that the entire year was nearly a loss for
me as far as I'm concerned. Many, many dozens of different kinds of
tests. In cases where they could supposedly assign an IQ number, I
was provided with numbers ranging from 115 or so up to well over
whatever they considered to be "off scale" for their testing, which
they told me at the time for one of them was about 160. None of it
was much good for anything, so far as I know, and I don't consider any
of it of much validity. Your point about "off scale" is very much
on-target about IQ scores, though the entire subject helps none of us
in any way at all about gaining a more comprehensive and detailed
understanding of global climate change and the impacts humans are
having on it.

By the way, I scored a perfect 800 on my SAT math score before
entering college. So what? It says nothing whatsoever about anything
I might say about mathematics here or elsewhere. One doesn't listen
to me about math because I got a high score at one point in my life.
One might choose to listen because I have something to say that is
interesting and seems to apply, if at all. And often enough, I'm
ill-informed about some facet of mathematics, too.

Eeyore should demonstrate his knowledge by going and getting some. Not
flogging some number he childishly clings to in desperation.

Jon
 
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Richard Henry

Most man agers I know would barely rate 90 on a good day.

One ignores then as far as possible and if in doubt tells them what to do.That
usually shuts them up.

Graham

When you don't know what you are talking about, you should just keep
quiet. People can tell.
 
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