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Keith Williams

Hello Graham,


That surprises me. With all this ISO stuff we had to designate all
areas. Tape lines on the floors and the whole nine yards. You can't even
store anything in an area that isn't a dedicated materials storage
location. And here I thought this whole ISO biz originated in Europe
where all these other wonderful bureaucratic hurdles come from, like
ROHS or WEEE.

If you're talking ISO9000, then these are limitations that you imposed
on yourself. We have a rather large cafeteria (500 occupancy, IIRC)
and vending rooms with tables, but people regularly eat in their
offices. The lab? Dunno, haven't been in there in a long time. ;-)
In the US it's more regulated. There is also occupational safety and
health (OSHA). I bet if they caught several people eating in a tech or
production area they would not be too enthused.

I can't see that OSHA has any beef here. I suppose it depends on what
sort of "production area".
 
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Pooh Bear

Ken said:
Each carbon atom will attach to 4 hydrogen atoms. The resulting material
can be stored by compressing it and transports well through pipes. If you
use a chain of 8 carbon atoms, you can store 18 hydrogen atoms per each.
This would make the idea fuel for automotive and portable applications.

Lol ! That pretty much sums it up.

Graham
 
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Joerg

Hello Keith,
If you're talking ISO9000, then these are limitations that you imposed
on yourself. We have a rather large cafeteria (500 occupancy, IIRC)
and vending rooms with tables, but people regularly eat in their
offices. The lab? Dunno, haven't been in there in a long time. ;-)

You have to write all kinds of procedures. I don't know how it is if you
don't have one for that. But if you do you have to follow it.
I can't see that OSHA has any beef here. I suppose it depends on what
sort of "production area".

If there are any chemicals around I believe they would be concerned
about it. Cleaning fluids, flux-off and all that.

I have seen labs where there were forgotten coffee cups. The milk in it
had grown all kinds of ugly and hairy lumps that were floating around on
top. Not good.

Regards, Joerg
 
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keith

Hello Keith,


You have to write all kinds of procedures. I don't know how it is if you
don't have one for that. But if you do you have to follow it.


If there are any chemicals around I believe they would be concerned
about it. Cleaning fluids, flux-off and all that.

Again, that's self-imposed.
I have seen labs where there were forgotten coffee cups. The milk in it
had grown all kinds of ugly and hairy lumps that were floating around on
top. Not good.

So you live with pigs. I never leave food debris in my office. I take it
down to a "vending area" or cafeteria where the trash gets emptied
several times a day. The do a shit job of vacuuming the carpet though.
 
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keith

I hate it when the can of Coke spills all over everything.....
and crumbs in the keyboard....then the ants move in....

....never seen an ant, at work, anyway. Wasps/hornets, sure. A mouse or
two, but that was six years ago when we "lived" by the loading dock.
 
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Terry Given

Richard said:
While going to college the second time, I worked as a production test tech
in the era of discrete TTL devices, but before much recognition was given to
ESD control. After a while, I began to recognize a common type of failure,
in which a 74LS04 inverter would got sort of half-on. This typically
occurred where the output in question was routed directly to a card I/O
connection finger. I found my time was most efficiently used by getting the
assembler to replace all the 04's that were connected off-board on
assemblies that had that problem.

you too huh?

I have seen exactly that problem, on videogame logic pcbs. Between my
1st and 2nd stints at Uni I spent 3 years as a video game service tech.
Absolutely nobody in the industry used antistatic anything - bubblewrap
was the packaging of choice. A guy I know in Wellington switched to
antistatic bags & handling, and saw his PCB failure rate halve. He then
replaced all the cheap shitty smps with decent 300W PC supplies, and the
failure rate plummeted to near zero - 1-2 PCBs per year, cf 1-10 per week.

Once I got my engineering degree I went to work for a power electronics
company. We were pretty good with antistatic, but when we moved to SMT
and the volume went up, our failure rate stayed constant, and became a
problem. So we went to town on static - conductive jackets, the works -
and watched the failure rate fall almost tenfold. designing products to
greatly reduce handling also helped a lot.

even so, my first control board was susceptible to static. We used a
Samtec bottom-entry connector on the control PCB, which had the PCB pins
folded over the outside of the housing. This turned out to be a
convenient handle, but one pin was directly connected to the micro. The
first build of about 200 units had about a 10% failure rate on this pin,
due entirely to static. despite foot & wrist straps, mats etc. I added
ESD protection to the next run, and the problem disappeared completely.
That was before the conductive jackets though.

It was important there, because zapping a $0.30 part could easily
destroy $20,000 worth of power electronics.
Note: after removing the baddies and soldering on the new parts, the
assembler would clean the board in an ultrasonic tank full of TCE, then
bring it to me still dripping.

yegods! betcha aint so happy about that nowadays.

Cheers
Terry
 
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Adrian Tuddenham

Jim Yanik said:
I hate it when the can of Coke spills all over everything.....
and crumbs in the keyboard....then the ants move in....

What a brilliant idea for cleaning up a keyboard!
 
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Ian

Pooh Bear said:
Lol ! That pretty much sums it up.

Graham

Indeed - nice one Ken! I wonder how much weight they could
have saved on the shuttle using a fuel that did not need to be
cryo-cooled, seriously pressurised etc. Not to mention what
happens with ice formation on the tank.

Regards
Ian
 
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Keith Williams

Indeed - nice one Ken! I wonder how much weight they could
have saved on the shuttle using a fuel that did not need to be
cryo-cooled, seriously pressurised etc. Not to mention what
happens with ice formation on the tank.

LOX + LH2 has a specific impulse of something like 400 seconds, as
opposed to LOX + RP (refined petroleum) of ~260 seconds. The
additional weight of the 'C' doesn't help. The LOX needs a bit of
cooling anyway, so...
 
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Jim Yanik

...never seen an ant, at work, anyway. Wasps/hornets, sure. A mouse
or two, but that was six years ago when we "lived" by the loading
dock.

We had a fire-ant invasion at the TEK field office in Orlando;when it
rains,the ants look for "higher ground",and moved into a sump area in our
wash room.

Florida and bugs....lots of them.
 
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Joerg

Hello Keith,
Again, that's self-imposed.

No, if they flag it one has to stop it. Argueing with agencies usually
doesn't work.
So you live with pigs. I never leave food debris in my office. I take it
down to a "vending area" or cafeteria where the trash gets emptied
several times a day. The do a shit job of vacuuming the carpet though.

Well, this wasn't around here but in a university lab. At a university
where I really didn't expect that.

While you and I like cleanliness others don't. In the end we'll all end
up living with restriction because of the others. Such as not being able
to walk our dogs around the local lake although ours never poop on any
lawns. If they would, we'd clean it up right then.

Regards, Joerg
 
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keith

Hello Keith,


No, if they flag it one has to stop it. Argueing with agencies usually
doesn't work.

Not ISO-9000. THis is one place the victim gets to write the rules. If
you did a bad job...
Well, this wasn't around here but in a university lab. At a university
where I really didn't expect that.

ISO in a university? What will they think of next? "No adult left
behind"?
While you and I like cleanliness others don't. In the end we'll all end
up living with restriction because of the others. Such as not being able
to walk our dogs around the local lake although ours never poop on any
lawns. If they would, we'd clean it up right then.

When I had dogs they pooped on my property. I now have a couple of
cats that never leave the house, so when I got to the dump on Saturday...
When I eat at my desk I clead up *my* area. ...though a vacuum would be
quite handy, since "they" only do it every few months. :-(
 
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keith

We had a fire-ant invasion at the TEK field office in Orlando;when it
rains,the ants look for "higher ground",and moved into a sump area in our
wash room.

Lucky you! We get a few carpenter and scouts roaming through here
at home too, though they don't live long when "outed". Eating at
the desk isn't the cause of either.
Florida and bugs....lots of them.

No termites to be had here either. Do please do keep your pets down there! ;-)
 
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