Evil Designers Guide to Copying Patents

[D from BC]

I'm going to tick off some patent owners.

1) Patent owners are not god and see everything everywhere.
Play the odds...There's a good chance of never being discovered.
2) Some copied tech can be epoxy encapsulated. Is a patent owner
going to spend days picking away at epoxy to see if it's a copy?
Maybe filing off chip numbers will help.
3) Deny copying the patent.. I didn't make that!
Be a non-existent, unregistered, unlicensed company.
4) Find out if the patent owner is poor.. Most likely the person is
too broke for a patent legal battle.
5) Avoid mass production of the copied patent.
6) Have the copied patent made overseas. Have it disguised as another
product when it's imported.
7) Maybe improve or degrade the patent so that's it's different.
8) Don't release schematics. Maybe have fake schematics too.
9) If you're not making much money on the copied patent.. You think
you'll get sued over a few hundred dollars of profit?
10) Go ahead copy away..When discovered, perhaps make a deal with the
patent owner for licensing and paying back royalties.. There might be
enough profit to go around.
If the patent owner is greedy, then layoff everybody, liquidate the
company and start all over again by copying somebody else's patent.
11) Have you heard of any stories of people going to jail for patent
infringement?
12) Get ready to mass produce the patent just before the patent
expires.
D from BC

 

[Rich Grise]

12) Get ready to mass produce the patent just before the patent expires.

You probably aren't old enough to remember the Polaroid Swinger case.

The Polaroid Land camera was the first camera that gave you a print
in 60 seconds. Big companies were all tooled up to jump on the tech
the day the patent expired, so they could get a piece of the 60-second
photo action.

The day before the patent expired, Polaroid released the "Swinger",
(named for its wrist strap), which used a whole new film technology
that they'd spent the previous 16 years and 364 days developing, and
avoided a whole bunch of hassles that the previous one had. Nobody
bought the old-tech units from any of the competitors, because the
old Land camera technology became obsolete virtually overnight.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[John Perry]

You probably aren't old enough to remember the Polaroid Swinger case.

The Polaroid Land camera was the first camera that gave you a print
in 60 seconds. Big companies were all tooled up to jump on the tech
the day the patent expired, so they could get a piece of the 60-second
photo action.

The day before the patent expired, Polaroid released the "Swinger",
(named for its wrist strap), which used a whole new film technology
that they'd spent the previous 16 years and 364 days developing, and
avoided a whole bunch of hassles that the previous one had. Nobody
bought the old-tech units from any of the competitors, because the
old Land camera technology became obsolete virtually overnight.

Well, I see that as a rare case where the patent system worked right.
Polaroid spent part of their profits as research dollars making real
improvements, while the rest sat on their asses waiting for their copies
to become legal.

If the patent system were used as it should be, DfBC's list would be a
sure recipe for corporate failure.

John Perry

 

[krw]

I'm going to tick off some patent owners.

1) Patent owners are not god and see everything everywhere.
Play the odds...There's a good chance of never being discovered.

There is also a good chance of losing your company. Play this game
at your own risk.

2) Some copied tech can be epoxy encapsulated. Is a patent owner
going to spend days picking away at epoxy to see if it's a copy?
Maybe filing off chip numbers will help.

If you're important enough of a competitor no number of files will
help.

3) Deny copying the patent.. I didn't make that!
Be a non-existent, unregistered, unlicensed company.

Good marketing plan.

4) Find out if the patent owner is poor.. Most likely the person is
too broke for a patent legal battle.

As he sells out to GM...

5) Avoid mass production of the copied patent.

Read: avoid making money.

6) Have the copied patent made overseas. Have it disguised as another
product when it's imported.

Smuggling is a felony.

7) Maybe improve or degrade the patent so that's it's different.

Improvements may still violate the underlying patent.

8) Don't release schematics. Maybe have fake schematics too.

Useless. No one who is really interested, other than perhaps your
customer for repair, is going to look at the schematic anyhow.

9) If you're not making much money on the copied patent.. You think
you'll get sued over a few hundred dollars of profit?

You can get sued for far more than your profit.

10) Go ahead copy away..When discovered, perhaps make a deal with the
patent owner for licensing and paying back royalties.. There might be
enough profit to go around.
If the patent owner is greedy, then layoff everybody, liquidate the
company and start all over again by copying somebody else's patent.

....if you think a corporate shield will protect you.

11) Have you heard of any stories of people going to jail for patent
infringement?

Haven't heard of it, but Fraud and smuggling are in a different
kettle.

12) Get ready to mass produce the patent just before the patent
expires.

Nothing illegal or immoral here. Twenty years is a long time to wait
to go to market though.

 

[[email protected]]

I'm going to tick off some patent owners.

Just Keep It Simple and Stupid:

Set up two businesses. A holding company and a subsidiary. The subsidiary rips
the patent, manufactures and sell the goods produced. But that is not all it
does.

It also pays high interest on the junk bonds it issued to the holding company
and "private investors" financing the startup - probably close to what the
accountant knows will piss off the tax authorities for certain. It never really
makes any profit.

When the lawsuit comes, the subsidiary cannot pay and goes tits-up. With luck
the executers will burn whatever assets remain, nobody gets anything for their
trouble and an example has been made.

 

[krw]

Just Keep It Simple and Stupid:

Set up two businesses. A holding company and a subsidiary. The subsidiary rips
the patent, manufactures and sell the goods produced. But that is not all it
does.

It also pays high interest on the junk bonds it issued to the holding company
and "private investors" financing the startup - probably close to what the
accountant knows will piss off the tax authorities for certain. It never really
makes any profit.

When the lawsuit comes, the subsidiary cannot pay and goes tits-up. With luck
the executers will burn whatever assets remain, nobody gets anything for their
trouble and an example has been made.

<snip>

As long as you're going to be engaging in fraud, why bother with
patents? Wouldn't, say, banking be easier?

 

[Brian]

<snip>

As long as you're going to be engaging in fraud, why bother with
patents? Wouldn't, say, banking be easier?

We should rename this guy Stretch. He has to
stttrrreeettttccccchhhhhhhhh his arguments to unbelieveable
proportions to try to look knowledgeable. If anyone disagrees with
him, they must all be friends plotting to make him look bad. A
conspiracy to topple some unknown, untalented know-nothing zero.

And ALWAYS has to have the last post over ANYONE, no matter how dumb
he continues to look.

Are we impressed? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha!

 

[D from BC]

You probably aren't old enough to remember the Polaroid Swinger case.

The Polaroid Land camera was the first camera that gave you a print
in 60 seconds. Big companies were all tooled up to jump on the tech
the day the patent expired, so they could get a piece of the 60-second
photo action.

The day before the patent expired, Polaroid released the "Swinger",
(named for its wrist strap), which used a whole new film technology
that they'd spent the previous 16 years and 364 days developing, and
avoided a whole bunch of hassles that the previous one had. Nobody
bought the old-tech units from any of the competitors, because the
old Land camera technology became obsolete virtually overnight.

Cheers!
Rich

An example that an expired patent maybe just that...expired ..totally.
Just a stepping stone to new tech.
Interesting story
D from BC

 

[D from BC]

There is also a good chance of losing your company. Play this game
at your own risk.

DofBC:It could be a case of risk vs no company at all..

If you're important enough of a competitor no number of files will
help.

DofBC: Is there such a thing as a search warrant to check for copied
tech?

Good marketing plan.

DofBC: If a customer requests a few (underground) units and there
's thousands of dollars of profit. It might be tempting. There would
be no marketing.

As he sells out to GM...


Read: avoid making money.

DofBC: My point is that one can get away with making a few copies..
Not flood Walmart.

Smuggling is a felony.

DofBC: What smuggling?? ....It's an voice activated toy robot...it
just so happens the circuit board can be "recycled" as a home speech
activated lamp controller.

Improvements may still violate the underlying patent.

DofBC: True...but serves to reduce risk..

Useless. No one who is really interested, other than perhaps your
customer for repair, is going to look at the schematic anyhow.

DofBC: Schematics just make it easier to check for patent
infringement.

You can get sued for far more than your profit.

DofBC: How is this just? Is it something goofy like charging 1.4
million in patent emotional damage ??

...if you think a corporate shield will protect you.

DofBC: I'll get that confirmed someday..

Haven't heard of it, but Fraud and smuggling are in a different
kettle.


Nothing illegal or immoral here. Twenty years is a long time to wait
to go to market though.

D from BC

 

[MassiveProng]

I'm going to

Act retarded?

Too late. You failed the test.

You are a characterless, honorless, valueless bastard.

 

[MassiveProng]

Just Keep It Simple and Stupid:

Set up two businesses.

You're both fucking retarded.

 

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

Do it in software. Contract the code work out to an offshore s/w house.
Don't release the source. If the potential patent/copyright owner
suspects something, you are protected against their reverse engineering
it by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (particularly if you have
incorporated minimal DRM into the product).

 

[D from BC]

You're both fucking retarded.

lol
One a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being highest, what would you score the
entertainment value of this post?

D from BC

 

[D from BC]

Act retarded?

Too late. You failed the test.

You are a characterless, honorless, valueless bastard.

I like Massiveprong...
He's a good reminder of the anonymity on usenet.
An example of freedom of speech.
Don't you wish you could just freely insult people face to face
everyday?
Imagine Massiveprong was gone..think how boring SED would be?
I'd say he's one of the few people on here that uses insults to bring
some control to the BS on SED. Somebody that cares.
Be right or be called a retard!!
Massiveprong is especially good for people who need to be wacked with
a stick to smarten up.

No matter how tall a building is...a dog can still piss on it.
D from BC

 

[MassiveProng]

No matter how tall a building is...a dog can still piss on it.
D from BC

A perfect description of your presence in the groups.

 

[D from BC]

Do it in software. Contract the code work out to an offshore s/w house.
Don't release the source. If the potential patent/copyright owner
suspects something, you are protected against their reverse engineering
it by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (particularly if you have
incorporated minimal DRM into the product).

I wonder how often that happens..

Found more info on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA
D from BC

 

[Jim Thompson]

[snip]

No matter how tall a building is...a dog can still piss on it.

[snip]

That's even better than my "Some days you eat da bear, and some days
da bear eats you" plaque ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[MassiveProng]

The law doesn't fall for tricks like that. All you're doing is adding
criminal conspiracy to what was a civil matter.

Like I said, they're both fucking retarded.

 

[D from BC]

A perfect description of your presence in the groups.

Is there a sci.massive.prong.design group?
D from BC

 

[Ecnerwal]

I'm fascinated to see that most respondents view D's list as "a great
new work of how to rip off patent owners" (criminals, take notes and get
to work), rather than as "an observed list of actual business practices,
laid out as though it were a new thing" (whoops, the criminals are
already at work) - and it doesn't even cover the criminals who "patent"
things that have been published (or common knowledge) for decades, and
the examiners are either overworked, don't know jack shit about the
prior art, or figure everybody has deep pockets to take the "patent
holders" to court when they issue a bad patent.