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Electric shocks (was: 100V appliance on 110v power supply)

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Rich Grise

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PLEASE DON'T do that experiment again. We would miss you
if you electrocuted yourself! Seriously! There are SAFE ways
of testing for this that don't put your life or limb at risk.

Nah - we'll just nominate him for this year's Darwin award.

Cheers!
Rich
 
B

Bob Stephens

This is correct. Standing barefoot on a concrete garage floor while
dicking around with anything plugged into mains should never happen.

Word up.
 
S

Scott Dorsey

tater schuld said:
NOTE: this experience happened in the U.S.A. and other countries may differ

a friend of mine had a phonograph player in his basement. the unit operated
fine, but if you touched a metal part of the player, and a metal support
post in the basement, you would get a mild shock (about half of what I've
gotten from touching 110v mains by accident)

This is because it was a hot chassis player. That is no longer acceptable
in the US, but it was very popular for many years for cheap consumer electronics
to operate without a power transformer and use a hot chassis. For almost
any cheap table radio, record player, or TV set made before 1970 this was
the case, and for a lot of TV sets well into the eighties it remained the
case.
Later on in life, I found out that if you attempt to bypass the safety
feature of polarized p,ugs for non-grounded equipment, or if the electrical
outlet was wired incorrectly, this happens.

That just makes the problem worse, yes.
as you are on a foriegn system, I cannot be sure, but I'd advise to switch
the live and neutral lines. and also put an earth line in there also.

Grounding is a good idea, but if there is chassis leakage, that is bad and
it should be fixed if possible.
--scott
 
R

Roy Q.T.

Same Hazard Different Equipment; & In Puerto Rico [where US standards
are applicable]

Liviing at the YMCA in 1980, I rigged a small 3 Pipe (EMT) Fixture to
test & inspect stuff with a 3outlets/1switch head on a 1900 box and a
lamp fxiture coming out of it, one of the pipes slightly bent out held
my soldering pencil just right at the top just below the outlets,
together with the other 2 pipes it opened up at the bottom like a Y and
held up just right with nylon wire ties and actually looked cool., with
one of those Aluminum Lamp Shades on a Gooseneck.

I had no wire so I snaked a piece of BX into it & added a plug, this
worked ifne in the 2 prong outlets at the "Y" Then: I moved back to PR
and connected it into an outlet in my fathers garage It Took Hold of me
& Wouldn't let me Go ! my hand cramped over the metalclad plug, I
managed to push myself off the wall and break free... I took the BX off
and cabled it right and tested the circuit., the Contractors wiring had
somehow opened and shunted the Neutral inside the unerground pipe, hence
when I tried pulling the wires out to rewire it, the White neutral
conductor would not pull out of the piping so I couldn't rewire the
underfloor the concrete slab run.... It was hopless I thought & told
Dad, we sold the house a few years after.... I couldv'e been killed.

thinking about it I tried to eliminte that shunted conductor to feed in
a new one, but i recall the snake got stuck & wouldn't go through
either, I could have used the Red Conductor for pull but there was a
definite wire jam inside the pipe about half way under the garage. we
moved.

Only God Knows how the new owner resolved it if he has :-o
®oy
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From: [email protected] (Scott Dorsey)
NOTE: this experience happened in the U.S.A. and other countries may
differ
a friend of mine had a phonograph player in his basement. the unit
operated fine, but if you touched a metal part of the player, and a
metal support post in the basement, you would get a mild shock (about
half of what I've gotten from touching 110v mains by accident)
This is because it was a hot chassis player. That is no longer
acceptable in the US, but it was very popular for many years for cheap
consumer electronics to operate without a power transformer and use a
hot chassis. For almost any cheap table radio, record player, or TV set
made before 1970 this was the case, and for a lot of TV sets well into
the eighties it remained the case.
Later on in life, I found out that if you attempt to bypass the safety
feature of polarized p,ugs for non-grounded equipment, or if the
electrical outlet was wired incorrectly, this happens.
That just makes the problem worse, yes.
as you are on a foriegn system, I cannot be sure, but I'd advise to
switch the live and neutral lines. and also put an earth line in there
also.
Grounding is a good idea, but if there is chassis leakage, that is bad
and it should be fixed if possible.
--scott
 
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