Does Protel 99 SE work with Windows Vista ?

[Marra]

But you didn't write all the world's software either

Well if you stick to using the API supplied by Windows then why
shouldnt it work ?
Microsoft supply plenty of free compilers and I am pretty sure they
dont use non existant system calls !
Its only idiots who start trying to control hardware direct that fall
foul.

 

[krw]

Well if you stick to using the API supplied by Windows then why
shouldnt it work ?

Because the API is inconsistent across all varieties of Win?

Microsoft supply plenty of free compilers and I am pretty sure they
dont use non existant system calls !

They? M$ didn't write all software in the world either.

Its only idiots who start trying to control hardware direct that fall
foul.

Nonsense. Windows was born broken and has only gotten worse with
old-age spread.

 

[JackShephard]

Nonsense. Windows was born broken and has only gotten worse with
old-age spread.

You're the one full of nonsense, idiot.

 

[krw]

You're the one full of nonsense, idiot.

Wow, if it isn't li'l Miss Pot.

 

[James Beck]

Well if you stick to using the API supplied by Windows then why
shouldnt it work ?
Microsoft supply plenty of free compilers and I am pretty sure they
dont use non existant system calls !
Its only idiots who start trying to control hardware direct that fall
foul.

Your statement sounds good on the surface, but breaks down in practice.
You only use those resources that were available in Win3.XX?
How about Win95, pre USB support, post USB support?
Win98, Win98SE?
WinXP service pack X?
There are some compatibility problems that happen, unless you have some
sort of console app that just prints text into a window, and even then,
I'll bet there will be issues with DLL's and so on.
It is easy to say, hard to do.
How far do you take the forward/backwards compatibility?
What about 16 bit apps in the 64 bit version?
Last I heard THUNK is gone and WOW is just for 32 bit apps running on
the 64 bit version of WinXP Pro64 and Vista.
I'm sure the list goes on and on, I'm just shooting from the hip here.
Hell, I remember when I had a problem with the infamous MFC and that IS
Micro$oft!

Jim

 

[Marra]

Actually, the website and the software looks hideous.

Good old Tango beats it, hands down, and it is a ten year old plus
package.

What with a 127 layer autorouter ?
I dont think so !

 

[Marra]

I have to second the other poster's comments. The web site colors are
hideous !. The software looks good though. Better presentation may sell
more. Good luck.

Whats the website got to do with it?

For less than £20 you get a 63 layer autorouter, gerber viewer, symbol
wizards, design rule check, numerous autoplacers. Gridded and
ungridded autorouters !
EasyPC charge well over £400 for pretty much the same thing !

 

[Marra]

Not always possible. I bought an XP license and will delete the

I wouldnt even go near my pc with vista until SP2 !!!

Win XP pro is currently the best OS for PC's.

From what I have heard people are having massive problems with vista

and many are going back to XP and some have lobbyed pc makers to still
provide XP.

 

[Marra]

Your statement sounds good on the surface, but breaks down in practice.
You only use those resources that were available in Win3.XX?
How about Win95, pre USB support, post USB support?
Win98, Win98SE?
WinXP service pack X?
There are some compatibility problems that happen, unless you have some
sort of console app that just prints text into a window, and even then,
I'll bet there will be issues with DLL's and so on.
It is easy to say, hard to do.
How far do you take the forward/backwards compatibility?
What about 16 bit apps in the 64 bit version?
Last I heard THUNK is gone and WOW is just for 32 bit apps running on
the 64 bit version of WinXP Pro64 and Vista.
I'm sure the list goes on and on, I'm just shooting from the hip here.
Hell, I remember when I had a problem with the infamous MFC and that IS
Micro$oft!

Jim

MFC, Delphi, VC++, Visual C++ express, C# express, .net v1/2/3/3.6
It just never ends and most of the new stuff is crap with big holes in
it.
ORCAS uses XAML and is a pain in the arss.

 

[krw]

I wouldnt even go near my pc with vista until SP2 !!!

Don't bother. You can't paint a turd and make it anything but a
painted turd.

Win XP pro is currently the best OS for PC's.

I liked Win2K much better, if one has to stick with Win*.

 

[JackShephard]

What with a 127 layer autorouter ?
I dont think so !

Next time you find a home enthusiast doing 127 layer routes you let me
know, idiot.

In fact, where are they being done ANYWHERE?

If you had concentrated on designing to the industry standard, instead
of trying to reinvent the wheel, you might have made a viable product.

Eagle and a number of Open Source packages beat your, and I'd be
willing to bet they are where a good deal of your routines' source came
from.

 

[JackShephard]

Whats the website got to do with it?

For less than £20 you get a 63 layer autorouter,

Give the name of even ONE PCB fab house that does 63 layer PCBs.

gerber viewer, symbol
wizards, design rule check, numerous autoplacers.

Auto placers? Totally meaningless. A good designer knows that hand
placement is a requisite in many design arenas.

Gridded and
ungridded autorouters !

Oh Boy!

EasyPC charge well over £400 for pretty much the same thing !

The fact that you are trying to charge for an unproven app, which
likely has Open Source code in it is quite a tell.

Then there's that way to many layers for the real world thing...

 

[JackShephard]

I wouldnt even go near my pc with vista until SP2 !!!

The "Service Pack" paradigm went away with Vista.

Win XP pro is currently the best OS for PC's.

You're an idiot.

and many are going back to XP and some have lobbyed pc makers to still
provide XP.

Many idiots. The PC makers are consoling them, however. Whoopie fuckin'
doo.

 

[JackShephard]

MFC, Delphi, VC++, Visual C++ express, C# express, .net v1/2/3/3.6
It just never ends and most of the new stuff is crap with big holes in
it.
ORCAS uses XAML and is a pain in the arss.

I said that you are an idiot as an insult earlier, but now you prove it
is actually true!

 

[JackShephard]

Don't bother. You can't paint a turd and make it anything but a
painted turd.

That's where YOU reside, TurdBoy.

 

[krw]

That's where YOU reside, TurdBoy.

Nope. I don't even know you, Dim boy. Thank &Diety.

 

[krw]

Give the name of even ONE PCB fab house that does 63 layer PCBs.

IBM, over thirty years ago, Dimbulb.

Auto placers? Totally meaningless. A good designer knows that hand
placement is a requisite in many design arenas.

Not in all, Dimmy. Auto place and route *IS* used.

Oh Boy!

No, you're not.

The fact that you are trying to charge for an unproven app, which
likely has Open Source code in it is quite a tell.

You don't know. Of course that's the norm for MassivelyWrong.

Then there's that way to many layers for the real world thing...

Says the Dimbulb. It's not like there is a reason to put an
artificial limit on the number of layers.

Wot a Maroon!

 

[JackShephard]

Not in all, Dimmy. Auto place and route *IS* used.

Auto route, yes. Auto place, not nearly as much, and never when not
needed.

 

[krw]

Auto route, yes. Auto place, not nearly as much, and never when not
needed.

Auto place is never needed, Dimmy. It's often cost effective though.

 

[James Beck]

I said that you are an idiot as an insult earlier, but now you prove it
is actually true!

Dude, what ever is wrong with you is no little thing.
You need to get back to your shrink and see if he can up the dosage.