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difference in quality of equipment: ADT, Brinks, Slomins, etc?

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I'm PINK!

Slomins is an oil company that:

1- uses refurbished Napco equipment

2- requires you to name them as additional insured on your homeowner's
policy

3- uses 2 wire, non-UL listed smokes (very funny statement in their
contract where you understand the Slomins Fire System is NOT a fire
system, nor is it compliant with FM, NFPA, etc) I'll post the exact
quote from their contract tomorrow when I get to my office.

4- places a lien on your property.

5- charges you 60% of the entire contract should you wish to terminate
the agreement. Included in that is the $1195.00 they value their basic
system at. It's only a free install if you fulfill the 5 years.

6- charges an additional $139.00 per year for a warranty

7- offers a local relocation option should you move

Stay clear of them.
 
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I'm PINK!

One thing I did forget to mention.
Did it ever occur to you that walking into a local hardware store to
ask the owner which is a better place to buy hardware, Home Depot, or
Lowes, could be a tad insulting to the owner?
Did you even offer any of the dealers here an opportunity at your
business before you asked them to help you decide which of their
competitors would best suit you?
So while you might be disappointed in the lack of responses there are
some who would think you're lucky to get any response at all.
 
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alarman

I'm PINK! said:
One thing I did forget to mention.
Did it ever occur to you that walking into a local hardware store to
ask the owner which is a better place to buy hardware, Home Depot, or
Lowes, could be a tad insulting to the owner?
Did you even offer any of the dealers here an opportunity at your
business before you asked them to help you decide which of their
competitors would best suit you?
So while you might be disappointed in the lack of responses there are
some who would think you're lucky to get any response at all.

Exactly. The entitlement mentality never ceases to amaze and disgust me.
js
 
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Jim

Crash said:
I'll probably be in an attic again this weekend. Attic work is getting old.
I still don't mind it ........ even after all these years.

Are you sure it's the attic work that's getting old? )->
 
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Crash Gordon

dunno, i forgot...did i say that?


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| Crash Gordon wrote:
| > I'll probably be in an attic again this weekend. Attic work is getting
old.
| >
| >
| I still don't mind it ........ even after all these years.
|
| Are you sure it's the attic work that's getting old? )->
|
 
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Robert L Bass

One thing I did forget to mention. Did it ever occur
to you that walking into a local hardware store to ask
the owner which is a better place to buy hardware,
Home Depot, or Lowes, could be a tad insulting to
the owner?

The above comparison might work if this was a privately owned
newsgroup belonging to the person who posted it. However, this
is an ALT newsgroup, which is essentially an open forum.
Questions from all sectors, including homeowners are always
welcome here. The problem is that some folks are just rude.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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I'm PINK!

Well as long as it's an open group, and you don't have this screen name
filtered, do tell how the all-in-one's are so dangerous yet how you
sell them anyway?
While you're at it answer Frank's question about how you get two
different messages to simultaneously appear on two different Napco
alpha keypads on the same system?
And keeping in the anything goes mantra that you're spewing did I
mention **** you Pinky?
 
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Jim

Robert said:
The above comparison might work if this was a privately owned
newsgroup belonging to the person who posted it. However, this
is an ALT newsgroup, which is essentially an open forum.
Questions from all sectors, including homeowners are always
welcome here. The problem is that some folks are just rude.
You've been the proof of that, for years.
 
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Robert L Bass

hello,
I am looking to get a residential alarm system (3 family house in urban
area). Is there a difference in quality of equipment between ADT,
Brinks, Slomins?

This is a frequently discussed issue in this newsgroup. Slomins
has been accused of all sorts of bad behavior, some of which
accusations are actually true.

Brinks sells a proprietary system which cannot be used without
them. No one but Brinks can service or monitor it. The system
is usually leased (though their salesmen rarely mention that
during the presentation).

ADT has two separate and vastly different divisions of its alarm
business. ADT corporate has a good reputation. Their
"authorized dealer" network, unfortunately, does not. They are
rife with problems, have been sued by attorneys general in
several states for fraudulent marketing and other consumer abuses
and have generally done all they can to destroy public confidence
in the alarm industry.

Of the three companies you mentioned, I'd hesitate to recommend
any except ADT and then only if it is ADT Corporate should you go
forward.

Others have mentioned going with a small, local dealer. There
are lots of honest, competent people in this industry who run
small, independent alarm companies. You may very well get a
better deal from one of them than you can from Brinks, Slomins or
any "authorized dealers". Note that Protection 1, Monitronix and
Sonitrol dealers can be equally bad as some of the ADT authorized
dealers.

Unfortunately, there are also far too many incompetent, uncaring
individuals running small independent alarm companies. One
example (I'll let you figure out which it is) posted a nasty
reply to you already. That person ran an illegal alarm company
in Milford, CT, for several years until the state caught up with
him. Unable to pass the license exam and without any of the
required qualifications to be a licensed alarm installer, let
alone an alarm contractor in CT, he lied to the state (told them
he was running a "home improvement" operation which did not
require a license. He *claims* to have left the trade due to his
girlfriend getting sick or some such nonsense. Unable to work
illegally in CT, he's now doing the same thing in NY state (again
without a license). You can't even imagine the miserable
"workmanship" his victims get in return for their money.

The short answer to your question is, "Be careful of any alarm
dealer." Many are good and will try to protect you and your home
to the est of their ability. Very few of those, however, are
"authorized dealers" and very few of them work for Slomins or
Brinks.
What about independent dealers? How would a consumer
know if the equipment was "good"?

Get several bids. Insist that the salesman list exactly what
components he will use and where. List the makes and models here
or send me an email. I'll let you know whether it's good quality
hardware and whether it is an adequate plan of protection.

Although you're not interested in DIY, feel free to browse my
website. You can at least get a good idea from my pages what the
equipment costs the dealer and whether his markup is reasonable.

Note that many dealers are pushing bare bones systems lately,
trying to beat the "free" (they really are not free, but I'll bet
you already knew that) system dealers. At a minimum, ask for a
bid that includes all exterior doors and motion detection in
hallways, in front of (but not onto) the stairs leading to
sleeping areas, near the stereo, office, etc.

A better approach is to protect all exterior doors and all
accessible windows using magnetic sensors (called "contacts").
Back this up with motion and, in rooms with glass doors, perhaps
a glass break detector as well.

Ask for smoke detection, too, but refuse to pay an incremental
fee to have it monitored. There is no excuse for charging extra
to monitor smoke detectors. Fees like that are a rip-off.

Best of luck.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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Robert L Bass

The Group's FAQ is ...

Nope. That's just a nice idea written by someone who doesn't
participate here. It is not the "Group's FAQ" and that website
is privately operated by someone who has more to corrupt this
newsgroup than anyone else here, with the possible exception of
Jiminex.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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Doug L

I didn't realise that you hosted the Groups FAQ on your website.

Doug L
 
Pink,
In my original question I DID ask about independent dealers (by that I
meant independently owned alarm companies not authorized dealers of the
national chains).

my orig question, at the very beginning of this thread: "I am looking
to get a residential alarm system (3 family house in urban
area). Is there a difference in quality of equipment between ADT,
Brinks, Slomins?
What about independent dealers? How would a consumer know if the
equipment was "good"? "
 
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I'm PINK!

Independent dealers where? It would be helpful if you provided your
location (i.e. city, state).
 
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Jim

Pink,
In my original question I DID ask about independent dealers (by that I
meant independently owned alarm companies not authorized dealers of the
national chains).

my orig question, at the very beginning of this thread: "I am looking
to get a residential alarm system (3 family house in urban
area). Is there a difference in quality of equipment between ADT,
Brinks, Slomins?
What about independent dealers? How would a consumer know if the
equipment was "good"? "

If you browse the various alarm supplier web sites you'll see that
there's probably about 10 mfg's of panels. Ademco, Napco, (my choice)
Caddx, DSC, and so on.
Most major National alarm companies use one of these brands or have one
of these mfg private lable them. I'd avoid any private labled
equipment. Just means they're probably the only one who can service it
if they have anything specialy engineered into it.

So once you've determined that whoever you chose to give you an
extimate is using nationally recognized equipment don't give it any
more thought. It's all pretty good and the complexity of what panel is
going to be used is up to what ever features you'r willing to pay for
or need/want

Most important is to determine that the company that you choose comes
to you by recomendation from someone who has used them before. Thats
the best way to pick someone who'll do a good job for you.
 
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Mark Leuck

New York City

Uh oh thats I'm Pink's territory, he'll stop over, talk you to death, won't
install anything yet still will take your money
 
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Hugeass

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