Declining power from PVs?

[John P Bengi]

George!

Make them play by the "rules"

I didn't see Stove and the Weiner tag when they traded brain cells.

 

[Steve Spence]

Please go ahead. Try to find that one. Doesn't detract from the accuracy
though. I spend a lot of time and energy educating folks on how to
implement renewable based technology. It's my mission in life to leave
this earth cleaner than I found it, and to encourage others to the same.
Whether it's cleaner burning automotive fuels, or alternatives to
chemical pesticides and fertilizers. It's what we do because we believe
it's right. But there are a few on this group who enjoy poking fun at
those who are making a difference. It really doesn't matter though, it
doesn't stop us from effecting change.


Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org

Contributing Editor
http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html

 

[John P Bengi]

Steve likes to use that line for every argument. Need I quote his last 30
occasions he has used it?

I think Stove needs to enter the realm of bozo bin again real soon. Maybe
the nedication will take action soon.


"someday you might bury an honest person with your BS. Won't you feel real
good then?"

 

[John P Bengi]

You shouldn't talk like that. Do you want to kill somebody by using the
wrong word combinations? You could and should take it more seriously. Be
very careful.

I actually run to yor country every summer and buy the illegal pesticides to
use on my front lawn. I don't need all the diseases nature cane bring back
when we let humans fall beneath the needs of every bug and pest that man
suffers from. That is not "cleaner".

geezzz. I hope you didn't "kill" living bacteria on your food preparation
surfaces before making supper. That could be considered using a pesticide.
tell you wife that one and see if she leavves you again.
Hpw many children will you lose to God's green earth's bacteria on your
table?

 

[Steve Spence]

You know, John, I tried real hard to make sense of your last post.
Really, I did. I haven't lost any children, or my wife, so maybe you
have me confused with someone else?

Anyway, to get this subject back on track, we are replacing our Trace
30+ with a Morningstar PS-30M. This will give us back some of the
"declining" power from our PV's by more efficient series PWM control
instead of the shunt process we have now. $178 at www.sunelec.com




Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org

Contributing Editor
http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html

 

[George Ghio]

Point. You left to live in the city because, by your own statement, you
could not fund it where you were.

Sounds like... Quacks like... Is

 

[Steve Spence]

"I will not attempt to justify anything I do or write to a troll."

Thanks Anthony.


Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust, http://www.green-trust.org
Contributing Editor, http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html

 

[George Ghio]

Honestly can't see where you were asked to make comment at all.

 

[John P Bengi]

You done good then.

Thinking man

You know, John, I tried real hard to make sense of your last post.
Really, I did. I haven't lost any children, or my wife, so maybe you
have me confused with someone else?

Anyway, to get this subject back on track, we are replacing our Trace
30+ with a Morningstar PS-30M. This will give us back some of the
"declining" power from our PV's by more efficient series PWM control
instead of the shunt process we have now. $178 at www.sunelec.com




Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org

Contributing Editor
http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html

 

[John Beardmore]

AN old saying that is used frequently and fits very well here.

"Don't let the door hit ya' in the ass on the way out"

I try not to.

There is a lot of interaction here and much information.

Seems pretty dilute compared to most groups. And diluted into something
pretty unpleasant.

Like a book you
have to dig.

Not quite the same though is it ?

I mean here you read the threads that are of interest, and the only way
to dig is to ask for more.

But with a book, there is what there is, and no amount of digging will
add detail that the book doesn't contain. But you don't get a bad dose
of tourette's with a book.

maybe you are past learning anything from the rednecks here.

Don't know what neck colour has to do with it really.

Even the most pesky troll has something to say occasionally that is
something to note.

You're right of course, but it can be hard to know which is the nugget
of truth among the torrent of bullshit and angst.

Use you kill filters or some medication.

I'll settle for kill files I guess. Shame though.

You can do it without feeding the noise level like you just did too..

I've been reading this news group for a year or so and said very little
because of the climate of trolling, back biting and ad hominem attack
that prevails here.

If others feel the same way, I see nothing wrong with pointing out that
I agree if it helps to shift the culture to support more productive and
pleasant interaction between the participants.

If that offends you, maybe you are part of the problem rather than the
solution ?

Have a great one...lol

I plan to.


Cheers, J/.

 

[wmbjk]

If others feel the same way, I see nothing wrong with pointing out that
I agree if it helps to shift the culture to support more productive and
pleasant interaction between the participants.

If that offends you, maybe you are part of the problem rather than the
solution ?

You're yakking with one of the most prolific trolls on Usenet, and
neither of you is discussing anything about the topic at hand. Please
Google any of the many variations of the name Gymmy Bob, pizza girl,
and piezzo guru. And look for posts by Mll with all the other names
Gymmy uses. Also check the thread titled "solar panel degradation and
troll wars", where you'll find that Gymmy/Benji posted the same stupid
comment 6 times under 4 different names.

Now, what was that you were saying about being part of the problem
rather than the solution?

Wayne

 

[John P Bengi]

We are all part of the problem. Commenting on the commenting on the back
biting is a problem. too. It is all off topic. While I agree with you almost
100% there isn't much going on right now and the particpants are bored.
Watch as the next interesting topic comes up and it gets back on track.

Maybe you already know more than everybody else?....LOL

Hang in there. Maybe you will make some conversation on topic soon.

 

[John Beardmore]

You're yakking with one of the most prolific trolls on Usenet, and
neither of you is discussing anything about the topic at hand. Please
Google any of the many variations of the name Gymmy Bob, pizza girl,
and piezzo guru. And look for posts by Mll with all the other names
Gymmy uses. Also check the thread titled "solar panel degradation and
troll wars", where you'll find that Gymmy/Benji posted the same stupid
comment 6 times under 4 different names.

Quite possibly, though Benji is in the kill file now.

Now, what was that you were saying about being part of the problem
rather than the solution?

As I suggested above, I see nothing wrong with investing a little
bandwidth if it helps to shift the culture to support more productive
and
pleasant interaction between the participants. Obviously some may prove
to be lost causes, but I'll make my own mind up about that if it's all
the same...


Cheers, J/.

 

[Solar Guppy]

The peaks have nothing to do with the temperature of the panels

What your describing is called "edge of cloud effect" which is when in
partly cloudy weather there is refraction/reflections caused by the clouds
and causes brief increases in the intensity of sun light the panels are
receiving

Its quite common to see 20-30% increases over clear conditions for short
bursts when the clouds move around , changing the intensity of the energy
received by the solar panels, this is the primary reason the NEC has a 125%
current handling requirement for the wiring in solar systems.

Temperature will degrade the output, about 0.08 volts per C increase in
temperature for a nominal 12 volt panel though we no nothing about the
system that stared this thread, or even how the drop was measured. I think
something other than the panels are the issue as the poster refers to what
is "stored" as the metric

Most likely is the "storage" can be down because the loads don't drain the
batteries and then the batteries can't take the charge from the available
solar input. In a battery based system, unlike Gridtie, you can only store
energy if there is a place to put it.

www.solar-guppy.com/forum