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Freelance electronics types aren't a protected class; discrimination
is perfectly legal. ;-)/2

That's what a local board here thought as well. Until they opened the
newspaper a week later ...
Nothing to do. There *are* zoning laws. Those laws do discriminate
against types of businesses. It's perfectly legal.

That is legal. Often stupid, but legal.
Legal and intelligent usually don't fit in the same sentence. Your
point? ;-)

Zoning laws make no sense in many places. They are the reason our cities
are so splintered up, fall dead at night (except to the riff-raff) and
they clog freeways.
Well, that's not the only reason, but a good one. Who said laws had
to make sense. *Maybe*, *some* of them did, once upon a time. These
are still on the books though (at least they were when I lived in NY).
They should learn from the old world, back in Europe. There we could
walk to the grocer, to the bakery, to our dance studio, to church, to
restaurants. Even to most of the pubs, and that has a huge safety
advantage because nobody drove a car after having a few cold ones there.

My grandfather left the old world for a reason. Didn't you for
similar reasons?

Yeah, mostly because a company over here needed my specialty skills for
a start-up venture. We could have done it either in the Netherlands or
the US. Da boss preferred the US. So did I :)

Sure, we don't live on top of each other, fortunately. The US is a
*big* place.

Right. But this neighborhood ain't quite the Ponderosa Ranch ;-)

They're learning to be leftist Europeons, sure. No thanks!

That's the aspect of Davis I don't like either, and a reason I wouldn't
want to live there. But their traffic mitigation efforts make a lot of
sense.

Boy did they become friendly. Media in our country are pretty powerful
compared to other places of the world.


Seriously, just because one person does something illegal doesn't give
license to another. No award at all.
Working from home ain't illegal. Running a biz with lots of client
traffic might be, in some places (they've eased the rules here and allow
up to one employee in a few areas now).
Workign at home *is* illegal, in some jurisdictions. Some work is
perfectly legitimate (i.e. physicians, architects, teachers) while
other work violates zoning laws (beauty/barber and porn shops);
perfectly legitimate discrimination[*]. We are talking about that
silliness that is New Yawk.

[*] Discrimination is only illegal when it's against protected
classes.
It can take very little time to assemble a class. And it does not have
to be a protected one, proving disrimination is usually enough.
Silliness can quickly be ended by a judge or by a jury.
No, discrimination laws are specific to specific classes, those being
sex, race,... There is nothing in there about engineers, though I
guess "disabled" could be argued. ;-)

I think a judge or jury would view that differently. If you let one type
of professional off the hook but ban the other with pretty much the same
work pattern, what else would that be called?
Nope. The law is very specific and there is a ton of precedent.
Common sense has nothing to do with it.
That's what our airport board thought as well. Until we marched in there
with about 20 people (you should have seen the "oh s..t!" expression on
their faces, priceless), began to write letters in legalese, got the
press involved and so on. It was about them socking us with thousands of
Dollars for tree removal. Then they must have had a sitdown with their
counsel, probably another "oh s..t!" moment. Oh, did they suddenly
become friendly. One of the board members even offered me a ride in his
war bird. Dang, should have done it.

Well, you can worry them, but in the end they have the guns. The
recent town hall ruckus has started to worry some, but they have the
power.

Seems their guns weren't big enough :)

I've seen people lose. Buildings had to be torn down. Don't piss off
the bureaucrat. If you can worry the politician you have a chance.
Bureaucrats don't care.

Until someone follows through and sues their department, settlements
have to be disgorged, the guy up top looks bad, and consequently wants
to find out about the guy who dunnit. In one case it seems he didn't
have a job anymore shortly afterwards.

However, we shall not forget that bureaucrats are also humans and should
only go that route if there really isn't any other avneue left. Got a
sad story there but that ain't for Usenet.

"Fair" is a very bad word. The world is *not* fair. "Fair" is for
fairies.

Well, one can help the process along. If necessary that has to involve
legal proceeding or the press. Take a look at Steve's story. That is a
perfect example of how us little guys can get things done.

You can fly directly from Atlanta to anywhere, at pretty much any
time. ;-) The only airport I've ever seen with five parallel runways
(and I-85 for a few more miles straight off the end of one).


I know. But I've got clients locally where I am the only EE guy, who
sometimes need me there in half an hour. Also in Silicon Valley, who
appreciate me to be there in 2-3 hours along with half a ton of
equipment. Now if I had Hawker business jet ...
 
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Joerg

Sometimes you can kick them in other ways. Use their own rules against
them,

Many years ago my Dad was paralysed after a stroke. They (the
township) told me I could not have a proper wheelchair ramp for him.
That was their first mistake. Their second was telling me it would
take 60-90 days to appeal. The third was telling me I had to use a
temporary AL ramp. After finding out that AL ramps rented on the order
of 350$ a month, and were too narrow for Dad's chair, I was POed. I
didn't have the time or money to get a lawyer. Winter was coming and
Dad had two weeks of rehab. So I went the to the university law
library, and got busy finding property precedent all the way back to
the middle ages. Then I used the ADA against them. With my neighbors
help, I built a fully ADA compliant ramp in the front yard, 4 foot
wide, with the less then 1" in 21" slope, which amounted to 40
linear feet of plywood with a right angle turn. So the township
convinced a local contractor to complain to the the county that I
was building a ILLEGAL deck.

Good man.

I am not an advocate of ADA suits, at least not of the predatory kind.
But this is a clear case where unleashing the full brunt of the legal
arsenal is warranted.

Some press exposure also doesn't hurt in such cases.

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Joerg

John said:
John said:
krw wrote:
krw wrote:
krw wrote:
krw wrote:
[...]

[...]


Freelance electronics types aren't a protected class; discrimination
is perfectly legal. ;-)/2

That's what a local board here thought as well. Until they opened the
newspaper a week later ...
Nothing to do. There *are* zoning laws. Those laws do discriminate
against types of businesses. It's perfectly legal.

That is legal. Often stupid, but legal.
Legal and intelligent usually don't fit in the same sentence. Your
point? ;-)

Zoning laws make no sense in many places. They are the reason our cities
are so splintered up, fall dead at night (except to the riff-raff) and
they clog freeways.
Well, that's not the only reason, but a good one. Who said laws had
to make sense. *Maybe*, *some* of them did, once upon a time. These
are still on the books though (at least they were when I lived in NY).

They should learn from the old world, back in Europe. There we could
walk to the grocer, to the bakery, to our dance studio, to church, to
restaurants. Even to most of the pubs, and that has a huge safety
advantage because nobody drove a car after having a few cold ones there.
We can do that here. Walking distance to a couple of churches, a
Safeway, a dog park, a kid park, a baseball diamond, an actual canyon
with stream, a village with a hardware store, restaurants, bar, public
library, a neighborhood fancy food store, a bookstore, stuff like
that. You can walk most places on dirt lanes and stairways and pick
blackberries on the way, safe from cars. 13 minutes from SFO. But you
can't do that living in the burbs on a quiet 10 acres. It's a
tradeoff.
Well, it ain't 10 acres here. Normal small village. They just forgot the
sidewalks. So everybody drives and gains weight ;-)

One thing that's rare, almost non-existant in Duh City is drive-thrus.
There are parts of the country where the McDonalds and Dunkin Donuts
are empty inside, but there's a 20-minute line at the drive-thru, with
lots of idling Escalade SUVs and Dodge Ram diesels... and empty
parking spots. And since you're lucky to park within 6 blocks of a
selected destination, we walk a bit.

That's something I never did, in all my years that I live in America. I
always pull into the parking lot and walk in. Eating behind the wheel is
a concept I just don't grasp. And it can be messy, as evidenced in the
Carl's Junior ads ... splat ... whoops.

My very first time in America over 30 years back: Did an oil change on
the rental car. The rental place manager was absolutely stunned that
we'd even thought about that. Gave us a check for reimbursement. Bank
was across the street. They had _only_ a drive-through window, no
tellers inside. "But we just returned our car" ... "Well, you have to
come by car". So I walked up the drive-thru lane and after some argueing
they cashed the check.

We walk down into the village to shop and eat and such. 6 blocks,
about 200 vertical feet.

San Francisco is a large city, just like San Diego where you can also
walk pretty much anywhere. Other cities such as Sacramento used to be
like that but then blight set in. Large swaths of the city are boarded
up former store fronts :-(
 
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