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Anthony Fremont

Robert said:
David L. Jones wrote:

..."basic mathematics needs" ?????

Presumably they are talking about cursors and the auto-math features like
Vavg, Vpp, Vrms, duty cycle etc.... Act now, hesitation is wasting! ;-)
 
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MassiveProng

2% ain't too bad in the scope world, didn't you know? - oh that's
right, you didn't know!
LMAO!

Now your retarded ass is trying to tell me what I do or do not know
about the gear I use every day?

Get a clue, dumbass.
We are all still anxiously awaiting your link to a scope that does
better than a percent or two on the vertical...

There are plenty that have accurate voltmeters included that give
precise readouts of measure signals, regardless of what the user
observes via the actual trace signature. D'oh!
What's the matter, your frantic Google search failed you?

Sorry, chump, but it is you dipshits that need to google. I use
high end gear every day.
Come on, there has to be at least one out there surely, try harder...

You're an idiot.
 
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David L. Jones

Now your retarded ass is trying to tell me what I do or do not know
about the gear I use every day?

Yup, you obviously didn't know that scope vertical channels were only
a few percent accurate.
You certainly did make a very spectacular fool of yourself!
There are plenty that have accurate voltmeters included that give
precise readouts of measure signals, regardless of what the user
observes via the actual trace signature. D'oh!

LMAO!
Try harder.

Dave :)
 
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MassiveProng

It's considered polite to bathe regularly enough to deter open sores
erupting across your flesh before making such requests.

HTH.


You gave yourself away with the "HTH", you fucking retard.
 
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MassiveProng

I don't know what your meter does. I assume it's
like any other. If so, it uses a shunt and develops
a voltage across the shunt so it is the same principle
as what I'm taking about, but not the same values.
AFAIK, they don't use a megohm neighborhood shunt
for low current - but then, I don't have any
meters with an nA scale.


They don't. It is a precision, low value shunt resistor, and they
read voltage across it to determine the current through it.
 
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MassiveProng

I'm curious about the build quality of the Extech...


Even the cheap meters use decent shunt resistors. That is one of
the things they can't **** up... too easily.
 
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MassiveProng

Well, I guess while I'm in there butchering up the knob spring and resetting
the cal using my Micronta, I might as swell snap some pics. ;-)


Can't wait to see the shit quality. You'll likely forget all about
the minimum focus distance on the camera, and now, you'll likely have
to run and look it up so you can attempt to appear as to have proven
me wrong.

Your past "photo" posts are too telling, however.
 
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MassiveProng

Use a dictionary, if you have one and look up the word "shunt".
Hint: do not use the quotes.


Go to wikipedia and look up "electrical shunt, and scroll down to
"Use in current measuring".

Hopefully you won't sustain a concussion.
 
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David L. Jones

Even the cheap meters use decent shunt resistors. That is one of
the things they can't ---- up... too easily.

There is more to build quality than just the individual components
used.

Dave :)
 
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Jim Yanik

There is more to build quality than just the individual components
used.

Dave :)

WHY is anyone responding to someone with a sig like "massive prong"?
Hasn't he already demonstrated his lack of credibility?
 
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Anthony Fremont

MassiveProng said:
You gave yourself away with the "HTH", you fucking retard.

You probably think it's me, don't you? HA HA HA

HTH, HAND

Check the headers if you know how.
 
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Anthony Fremont

MassiveProng said:
Can't wait to see the shit quality. You'll likely forget all about
the minimum focus distance on the camera, and now, you'll likely have
to run and look it up so you can attempt to appear as to have proven
me wrong.

Your past "photo" posts are too telling, however.

WTF are you talking about? I don't recall posting any photos of electronics
ever?
 
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Anthony Fremont

Jim said:
WHY is anyone responding to someone with a sig like "massive prong"?
Hasn't he already demonstrated his lack of credibility?

Many, many, many times.
 
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MassiveProng

You probably think it's me, don't you? HA HA HA

HTH, HAND

Check the headers if you know how.
I knew what headers were before you knew how to be a stupid ****,
you stupid ****. You picked it up here from other stupid fucks.
 
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Anthony Fremont

MassiveProng said:
I knew what headers were before you knew how to be a stupid ****,
you stupid ****. You picked it up here from other stupid fucks.

Apparently you checked the headers, somehow. I sure hope the "stupidity"
around here is contagious, excepting your contribution of course. I wish
you'd please try harder to keep that to yourself.
 
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Rich Grise

WHY is anyone responding to someone with a sig like "massive prong"?
Hasn't he already demonstrated his lack of credibility?

It's called trollbaiting. There's kind of a hierarchy of baiters: You
start out as an apprentice baiter, and if you're good enough, you make
journeyman baiter, and if you're really, really good, you might make
master.

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Robert Baer

MassiveProng said:
They don't. It is a precision, low value shunt resistor, and they
read voltage across it to determine the current through it.
And that is *exactly* what i proposed with the "trick"; place the DVM
on the 200mVFS scale, add a shunt 1.11Meg resistor (that means in
parallel; use the dictionary) across the meter and the sensitivity of
this network is 200nAFS.
Simple ohms law...
 
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Robert Baer

Rich said:
It's called trollbaiting. There's kind of a hierarchy of baiters: You
start out as an apprentice baiter, and if you're good enough, you make
journeyman baiter, and if you're really, really good, you might make
master.

Cheers!
Rich
*That* would explain the screen-name he is using...
 
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ehsjr

Anthony said:
The meter doesn't change accuracy based upon the scale it's using, it only
changes resolution. It remains .03% accurate. Whether reading Amps,
milliamps, or microamps.

Take a look at the specs. They most certainly
do change, depending on the scale you are using.
Read the Fluke app note Understanding DMM Specifications.
Noise becomes a significant factor at the low end of a
range within the meter, and in general when measuring very
small voltage or current. And the specs, regardless of
noise, vary from range to range.

http://assets.fluke.com/datasheets/2153ExtSpecs.pdf

http://us.fluke.com/usen/support/ap...ukeProducts)&parent=APP_NOTES(FlukeProducts)#


I guess I wasn't clear or we're not understanding each other. The meter
will be in a ranger where 500uA is the full scale reading. 10's of nA is
two decimal places.

Ok, I see what you are saying. To get accuracy on
that scale, you would need at least 6 digits displayed,
and that's before you consider any error in the
circuitry. But I now undertsnd what you have in
mind based on what you said at the bottom of your
note, where a reading of anything from .03 ua
to .07 ua will meet your needs for your .05 ua
current. That's not the accuracy I thought you
were talking about. A +/- 20 nA variation on a
50 nA measurement is an error of 40 percent - which
I call innacurate.

But now that I understand what you have in mind,
I see your point. The way I was thinking about
it was too stringent for the example you posted,
so your example does prove the case of a kind
of measurement that fits into the under tens of
mA that I was talking about. Now that I understand
what you are saying, I think the confusion was at my end.

Your error calculation is assuming a full scale reading. The error
(neglecting the count uncertainty) at 50nA is only .125nA, it wouldn't even
show on the display.

But at 50nA it would read .03 to .07uA on my meter including the 2d
uncertainty, plenty good enough for me.

That statement clears it up for me, as I mentioned above.
To me it's a 40% error, but for what you are doing it
is accurate.
Try looking at the Extech I just ordered. .1%+2d 50000 count.

I'd like to - if you have a handy url, please post it.
If not handy, don't go digging for it. All ths talk
has piqued my interest in buying yet another DMM
(that I don't need - too many DMM's not enough time)
or at least drooling over the specs.

Is there an antidote for "test equipment lust"?
That's why I didn't buy the Fluke. The meter I bought will give me 10nA
resolution. I know it won't be dead on when reading 50nA, but it will be
close enough that I know that I didn't leave some pull-ups turned on or some
other peripheral pidling away the juice. In current mode the Extech will be
good enough for me to be sure of what's happening. Any worse accuracy, and
I couldn't be sure.




Yes, I have done time-wasting methods like this before, that's why I want a
new meter, DSO and a logic analyzer.
:)




The 10% error is due to your technique not the DMM, you said so yourself,
and I quote:

"> For 11 uA, put a 10K .01% resistor in series with



By my calculations, a 5nA error on a 50nA reading is a 10% error or did I
miss something?

No, I did. I thought you were talking about meter accuracy
when you said 10% - you were talking about measurement
error.
I agree that these techniques are valid and worthwhile at times, but I will
stick with the convenience and accuracy of a $200 meter instead of buying $5
resistors. :) I've got a tracking number and it should be here tomorrow,
I can't wait. I reall can't wait til my scope gets here. :)))))))

Go ahead - make me drool! Enjoy the meter. :)
And the scope. :)

Ed
 
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