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British Line and Netural Conventions?

K

krw

Left/right? In San Francisco, sockets in commercial buildings are
wired with the ground pin up, and for residential it's down.

I've seen them both ways in commercial buildings, though ours were
always pin up. Except for some DIY installations, all the
residential outlets I've seen are pin down.
 
J

Jasen

That's for electricians benefit to run a single NM (Romex) from the
light to the switch. They are stuck with one white wire for a hot. Safe
practice is to hook the white in the switch leg to the incoming hot from
the branch circuit (in the fixture) so when somebody sees a black and
white connected together, they'll stop and think (What the $%@&#! is
going on?)

In Australia they used a different colour for the wire from the switch to
the lamp. (if the switch branches from the lamp.

"fusebox" ================= lamp fixture ================= switch
red+black+ground red+white

They also do red+white+blue to switch two devices (eg lamp and fan)

Misusing the neutral (or ground) colour is a big no-no

Bye.
Jasen
 
M

Malcolm Moore

In Australia they used a different colour for the wire from the switch to
the lamp. (if the switch branches from the lamp.

"fusebox" ================= lamp fixture ================= switch
red+black+ground red+white

They also do red+white+blue to switch two devices (eg lamp and fan)

Misusing the neutral (or ground) colour is a big no-no
The current AS/NZS 3000 Wiring Rules allow sleeving of a conductor at
the terminations to indicate a live conductor. So for example, a twin
of red/black may be sleeved at each end to indicate two live
conductors and run to the switch. In Aus there is a prohibition on
sleeving a green, grn/yl or yellow conductor. In NZ the prohibition is
on green or grn/yl only.

In NZ at least it used to be acceptable to sleeve both the black &
green conductors of a three core cable to use for a two way light
switch for example. This is no longer allowed because the green can't
be sleeved & a different cable must be used e.g. red/white/blue, with
the blue sleeved.
 
M

Marra

I live in the US and am re-wiring a 30 year old Logitek lapping machine
which was built in England. If I plug it in to a receptacle in the US, as it
is presently wired, then the limit switches carry 0V and the neutral is
fused. I don't think this is correct because a short to chassis in the limit
switch circuit will defeat the limit switch function. Are English wall
receptacles reversed with respect to US receptacles?

Thanks -Ira

Looking towards the wall socket.
The top pin is the earth.
The right hand side pin is live
The left hand side pin is neutral.

It has been known for some people to connect neutral to earth.

www.ckp-railways.talktalk.net/pcbcad21.htm
 
C

Chris Jones

Eeyore said:
I don't care who thinks it's backwards.

There's a standard for wiring IEC plugs and sockets and the letters L, N
and E are embossed in the plastic. There's no excuse for mistakes.

Graham

But then if someone in Germany uses one of their power cords with it, who
knows which way around they will plug it in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_AC_power_plugs_and_sockets
#Type_F_.28German_2-pin.2C_side_clip_earth.29

It's a pain to have to switch both conductors and even more of a pain to put
fuses in both, since after the fuse blows, if the cause was not a short to
earth then all the innards are quite possibly still live. I guess that
doesn't matter as long as you are expecting it.

Chris
 
J

John Larkin

I've seen them both ways in commercial buildings, though ours were
always pin up. Except for some DIY installations, all the
residential outlets I've seen are pin down.

I'm looking at a dual outlet on the wall here, and it's sideways!
Ground on the left.

John
 
E

Eeyore

John said:
I'm looking at a dual outlet on the wall here, and it's sideways!
Ground on the left.

UK wall sockets are invariably mounted earth pin up fwiw.

Graham
 
R

Richard Henry

UK wall sockets are invariably mounted earth pin up fwiw.


I have heard that earth(ground) pin up is a safety featyure, so that
something falling on a half-unplugged plug will not contact a hot
element
 
R

Rich Grise

UK wall sockets are invariably mounted earth pin up fwiw.

I have heard that earth(ground) pin up is a safety featyure, so that
something falling on a half-unplugged plug will not contact a hot
element[/QUOTE]

I suppose it'd be politically incorrect to suggest that they assume
that all Brits are klutzes. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich
 
M

Michael A. Terrell

Richard said:
I have heard that earth(ground) pin up is a safety featyure, so that
something falling on a half-unplugged plug will not contact a hot
element


It also makes it easier for your finger to slip and make contact with
the AC line voltage. I would rather have whatever fell to trip the
breaker, anyway. If its conductive the circuit should be off before the
stray item is removed.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
J

JimW52

It also makes it easier for your finger to slip and make contact with
the AC line voltage.

Not so. Line and neutral are insulated at the plug side to prevent this
happening.

Jim
 
A

Adrian Tuddenham

Michael A. Terrell said:
It also makes it easier for your finger to slip and make contact with
the AC line voltage. I would rather have whatever fell to trip the
breaker, anyway. If its conductive the circuit should be off before the
stray item is removed.

The curent-carrying pins are sleeved along most of their length and are
only exposed at the tips. This means that no part of a live pin is
exposed as tha plug is being withdrawn and the circuit is broken by the
time the unsleeved parts become visible.
 
M

Michael A. Terrell

Adrian said:
The curent-carrying pins are sleeved along most of their length and are
only exposed at the tips. This means that no part of a live pin is
exposed as tha plug is being withdrawn and the circuit is broken by the
time the unsleeved parts become visible.


Yes, in "Nanny States", but not in the real world. If you look at
where I'm posting from, you'll see that I'm not anywhere near Europe.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
M

Michael A. Terrell

JimW52 said:
Not so. Line and neutral are insulated at the plug side to prevent this
happening.


Yes, in "Nanny States", but not in the real world. If you look at
where I'm posting from, you'll see that I'm not anywhere near Europe.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
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