Break-even point for home electric generator powered by natural gas?What about NG-powered AC compres

[Ecnerwal]

Have you seen the price of diesel? It's about 10% more than gasoline.

Which means it still wins on energy per gallon, as it has almost 50%
more BTUs/gallon. And a diesel generator making 50% power burns pretty
nearly 50% the fuel it does at full power, while a gasoline/NG/propane
unit is considerably worse (fuel/kwh) at partial power (don't have my
manual handy, but fuel consumption at half load is considerably more
than 1/2 fuel consumption at full load).

One can more commonly/easily get off-road (no road tax, cheaper) diesel
than off-road gasoline, at least in the US.

 

[Ignoramus361]

Which means it still wins on energy per gallon, as it has almost 50%
more BTUs/gallon. And a diesel generator making 50% power burns pretty
nearly 50% the fuel it does at full power, while a gasoline/NG/propane
unit is considerably worse (fuel/kwh) at partial power (don't have my
manual handy, but fuel consumption at half load is considerably more
than 1/2 fuel consumption at full load).

This relation becomes even more favorable to diesels at even lower
power outputs. Diesels have more linear curves for fuel consumption
at lower power draw, than gasoline or gas powered engines.

i

 

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That's nice.

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HITTING.

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No - because it is not a forum for home-owner / DIY
questions,, and most ESPECIALLY not for HO's / DIY's who are posting
because they're JUST TOO FUCKING LAZY to do their own homeowrk.

the North.

Gag - Canada is FUCKING LUCKY we let it exist, and we PROTECT
it and NO ONE DARE TOUCH IT BECAUSE IT WOULD PISS US OFF.

The only reason we even let it exist is becuase we don't want
a bunch of wannabe-French fags moving in.


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[.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com]

Yeh, right, stimpy. SUUURE we did.

The USA tried to invade Canada many times and always
lost.

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If you're not going down the road, home heating oil should run in diesel
engines. Same stuff, different color, different taxes.

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Have you seen the price of diesel? It's about 10% more than gasoline.

Which means it still wins on energy per gallon, as it has almost 50%
more BTUs/gallon. And a diesel generator making 50% power burns pretty
nearly 50% the fuel it does at full power, while a gasoline/NG/propane
unit is considerably worse (fuel/kwh) at partial power (don't have my
manual handy, but fuel consumption at half load is considerably more
than 1/2 fuel consumption at full load).

One can more commonly/easily get off-road (no road tax, cheaper) diesel
than off-road gasoline, at least in the US.

 

[Chris Lewis]

Gag - Canada is FUCKING LUCKY we let it exist, and we PROTECT
it and NO ONE DARE TOUCH IT BECAUSE IT WOULD PISS US OFF.

Ah yes, another member of the Anne Coulter school of the historically
ignorant.

The only reason we even let it exist is becuase we don't want
a bunch of wannabe-French fags moving in.

Too late, they already did. Or have you not heard of Louisiana?

 

[Chris Lewis]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:43:55 -0500, "SolarFlare"

Yeh, right, stimpy. SUUURE we did.

Never heard of the war of 1812, have you?

Or the Fenian raids?

Ann Coulter would be soooo proud of you.

 

[Steve Scott]

Never heard of the war of 1812, have you?

Hmm, Canada wasn't even a country then. It was a British colony.

Or the Fenian raids?

The Fenian raids? Irish trying to get the Brits out of Ireland.
Hardly the USA. And they started while Canada was still a colony of
Britain.

Ann Coulter would be soooo proud of you.

Your history teacher must be proud of you.

 

[.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com]

Never heard of the war of 1812, have you?

Or the Fenian raids?

Well..... ummm....... 'recently'

Ann Coulter would be soooo proud of you.

Better her than Maureen Dowd or Katrina Vanden Heuval !!!!


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[Chris Lewis]

Hmm, Canada wasn't even a country then. It was a British colony.

Picky picky ;-) Still the same place, and the same peoples.

Indeed, if you hadn't deployed WMDs (torching towns in Niagara) we
probably would be US states by now. [Up until then it was primarily
British regulars and their Indian allies you were fighting. After that,
the Canadians got pissed off too.]

The Fenian raids? Irish trying to get the Brits out of Ireland.

[By attacking Canada from the US. Makes sense somehow I guess.]

Hardly the USA. And they started while Canada was still a colony of
Britain.

Started. Continued until afterwards, with the US government continuing
to turn a blind eye to it.

Your history teacher must be proud of you.

I think they were.

We're still waiting for the repayment over the property you stole from our
ancestors in the late 1700s <evil grin>.

 

[Chris Lewis]

Well..... ummm....... 'recently'

I note that the US has continued it's fine old tradition of dropping
bombs on Canadian troops as late as just a year or two ago... <sickly grin>

[Which is kinda disappointing, because the US has also been issuing
Canadian troops with a fair number of medals for their efforts in
Afghanistan.]

Better her than Maureen Dowd or Katrina Vanden Heuval !!!!

Considering that in this country, being a "liberal" isn't considered
worse than being a pedophile, and that our politics are considered
by many of your politicians to be slightly to the left of Fidel
Castro's, I suspect I wouldn't agree.

But, I don't know of either of them well enough to comment ;-)

 

[Steve Spence]

Abby Normal wrote:




Have you seen the price of diesel? It's about 10% more than gasoline.

But in a cogen arrangement it's quite efficient. HHO and OFF-Road diesel
is about the same price as gasoline. WVO is almost free.

 

[Steve Scott]

Hmm, Canada wasn't even a country then. It was a British colony.

Picky picky ;-) Still the same place, and the same peoples.

Indeed, if you hadn't deployed WMDs (torching towns in Niagara) we
probably would be US states by now. [Up until then it was primarily
British regulars and their Indian allies you were fighting. After that,
the Canadians got pissed off too.]

So we kicked the Brits, Indians AND Canadians. And probably had
one tied behind our backs to make it fair.

The Fenian raids? Irish trying to get the Brits out of Ireland.

[By attacking Canada from the US. Makes sense somehow I guess.]

There's no accounting for the reasoning of the Irish.

Started. Continued until afterwards, with the US government continuing
to turn a blind eye to it.

True, but still just a few Irish, not the USA.

I think they were.

We're still waiting for the repayment over the property you stole from our
ancestors in the late 1700s <evil grin>.

Take an IOU?

 

[Chris Lewis]

Indeed, if you hadn't deployed WMDs (torching towns in Niagara) we
probably would be US states by now. [Up until then it was primarily
British regulars and their Indian allies you were fighting. After that,
the Canadians got pissed off too.]

So we kicked the Brits, Indians AND Canadians. And probably had
one tied behind our backs to make it fair.

If you had kicked the Brits, Indians, and Canadians, we would be a state.

You lost that war, remember? Oh, I forgot, the Americans claim that they
won that one.

Militarily, we had the edge at the end (we held parts of the US).
Politically, it was a draw (the Brits gave those parts back [+]).

But, from the perspective of what the intent of the American invaders _was_
(take over Canada to "free" us from the British oppression, which we happened
to _like_ ;-), you blew it big time.

Take an IOU?

We'll have to take the advice of the US mint: In God We Trust, all others pay cash. ;-)

[+] Well, from another perspective, we won that part too - we made you take Detroit
back ;-)

 

[John P.. Bengi]

The Americans tried to take back Mackinac three times
unsuccessfully. In the end we gave it to them for
political gain.

If you had kicked the Brits, Indians, and Canadians, we would be a state.

You lost that war, remember? Oh, I forgot, the Americans claim that they
won that one.

Let's see, we got England to stop boarding ships and impressing the
crew into their navy, plus England finally recognized the USA. Plus,
England gave up some land that had formerly been considered part of
Canada. It wasn't Drummond's Island anymore.

Militarily, we had the edge at the end (we held parts of the US).
Politically, it was a draw (the Brits gave those

parts back [+]).

If you read the treaties that ended the two wars with England, you'll
know that 1812 wasn't a draw.

But, from the perspective of what the intent of the American invaders _was_
(take over Canada to "free" us from the British oppression, which we happened
to _like_ ;-), you blew it big time.

American invaders? The "invasion" was the other way, the Brits taking
Mackinac Island first.

 

[John P.. Bengi]

That is why the US is pulling all the minerals, gas and
oil from underneath Louisianna and making it sink into
the ocean. 35 miles of land have disappeared and only
about 30 left to go to Mardi Gras Grove. I wonder why
they wouldn't just move all those people to higher
ground? Maybe colour? (spelled "nigger" for the
USanians)...LOL

US OFF.

Ah yes, another member of the Anne Coulter school of the historically
ignorant.


Too late, they already did. Or have you not heard of Louisiana?

class named after them.

 

[Chris Lewis]

Let's see, we got England to stop boarding ships and impressing the
crew into their navy, plus England finally recognized the USA.

That happened two days _before_ the Americans declared war.

Read the history: http://gatewayno.com/history/War1812.html

Plus,
England gave up some land that had formerly been considered part of
Canada. It wasn't Drummond's Island anymore.

Militarily, we had the edge at the end (we held parts of the US).
Politically, it was a draw (the Brits gave those parts back [+]).

If you read the treaties that ended the two wars with England, you'll
know that 1812 wasn't a draw.

Back to http://gatewayno.com/history/War1812.html:

- U.S. forces were not ready for war, and American hopes of conquering Canada collapsed
in the campaigns of 1812 and 1813.

H'm. "Hopes to conquer Canada collapsed". So, what you started the war over
was obsolete by the time war was declared, you didn't conquer Canada, and
the land possession hardly changed if at all.

A draw.

American invaders? The "invasion" was the other way, the Brits taking
Mackinac Island first.

We were supposed to sit around twiddling our thumbs after you declared war on us?

Back to that same link again:

- They argued that American honor could be saved and British policies changed
by an invasion of Canada.

[Remembering of course that British policies had already been changed.]

 

[mike wilcox]

Let's see, we got England to stop boarding ships and impressing the
crew into their navy, plus England finally recognized the USA.

That happened two days _before_ the Americans declared war.

Read the history: http://gatewayno.com/history/War1812.html

Plus,
England gave up some land that had formerly been considered part of
Canada. It wasn't Drummond's Island anymore.

Militarily, we had the edge at the end (we held parts of the US).
Politically, it was a draw (the Brits gave those parts back [+]).

If you read the treaties that ended the two wars with England, you'll
know that 1812 wasn't a draw.

Back to http://gatewayno.com/history/War1812.html:

- U.S. forces were not ready for war, and American hopes of conquering Canada collapsed
in the campaigns of 1812 and 1813.

H'm. "Hopes to conquer Canada collapsed". So, what you started the war over
was obsolete by the time war was declared, you didn't conquer Canada, and
the land possession hardly changed if at all.

A draw.

American invaders? The "invasion" was the other way, the Brits taking
Mackinac Island first.

We were supposed to sit around twiddling our thumbs after you declared war on us?

Back to that same link again:

- They argued that American honor could be saved and British policies changed
by an invasion of Canada.

[Remembering of course that British policies had already been changed.]

The Americans were still trying to take over Canada as late as 1866.

 

[Oscar_Lives]

The Americans tried to take back Mackinac three times
unsuccessfully. In the end we gave it to them for
political gain.

Canada didn't want it. It was too fricken cold there.

 

[Oscar_Lives]

Well..... ummm....... 'recently'

I note that the US has continued it's fine old tradition of dropping
bombs on Canadian troops as late as just a year or two ago... <sickly
grin>

[Which is kinda disappointing, because the US has also been issuing
Canadian troops with a fair number of medals for their efforts in
Afghanistan.]

Gotta give 'em something shiny to play with so they feel important...