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Best place to buy parts for those of us who don't have a dealers license ?

N

Norm Mugford

Go Get him Bob!

Mr. BAss doesn't pull permits in his area.....
He can't get them...he's not licensed...........
We all know that!

I think a good recommendation would be to have
the local Police Chief's prevent DIY monitored systems
from being registered in local jurisdictions unless they
are inspected by a licensed alarm dealer.
That will surely keep the false alarm rate down. (Especially
in Mr. BAss's area).

Know any members of the Florida Police Chief's Association?

I've seen some deplorable DIY systems.....Wires stapled to
the walls, holes drilled in the ceiling right above the windows
for the wire to pass thru, holes in the roof where the DIY
"specialist" used a bit provided by his DIY parts supplier
and went too far. Then there was the one that the DIY'er
spliced into the electrical box with 2/14 romex and soldered
the wire to the transformer prongs. Oh yeah, I forgot the
latest one; The panel was mounted in the dining room,
right in the center of the wall! (Must be a new type of
artwork!)

Oh Yeah....I agree Bob.....You do spend more on lunch
than the RMR you probably get from BAss's referral!
MUCH More..........

See ya in Pensacola.......

Norm Mugford







Bob Worthy said:
in message:

Seeing you wanted to start with me again this new year, let me ask this
question, "Where are your clients getting this advice?"


Usually driven by the cheap client that is trying to save money from the
git
anyway.


Like when they are on vacation and can't be reached by phone, email or
fax?


You truely live in your own little world, Wannabe.

very important electrical/electronic

Is this what you suggest or what you practice? Be careful. Being an
employer
in the State of Florida opens up a big can of "Kicks and Giggles." hey hey
hey :>)



Especially when there is a fatality!


We know, you should have caught a cab!


If a client is inquiring about a burg system, why, other than financial
gain, are you putting them into a home automation system. When a client is
looking for something specific, you will talk yourself out of the sale
trying to sell the benefits of having their sprinkler system and coffee
pot
come on simultaneously. First learn the clients concerns, not what "you"
think better suits them.


Yah they all have duct tape.


And where is the results and false alarm percentages of all these DYI
installs documented? How many actually got so frustrated that the parts
are
in a box in the closet? How many of your DYI systems have you actually
seen?
One man's treasures are another man's trash. Simple enough to remember,
everyone is proud of their own work regardless of what it turns out to be.
I
do know that what ever percentage of false alarms they generate are lumped
in with the other false alarm figures. I wonder just what that percentage
would be.

Since the prospective customer has

It is called referrals. Another is called BBB. Another is called municiple
building department. Another is called licensing board. Another is called
Trade Association. Another is called "open your damn eyes, if it doesn't
look professional, it probably isn't."


Hey..an hour on the phone with someone that is trying to sell you
something
will have you believing exactly what Robert is trying sell here.

and

He figured you out, Robert.


In Florida the building (installation) permit is crossed referenced with
the
application for a user permit in most jurisdictions, just to bring you up
to
speed on what goes on around you Robert. No inspection, no user permit ie:
no response.


tsk tsk......Only recites what he reads and has no practical experience to
back it up. What a Wannabe! It is a shame you'll never be able to come in
from the cold little boy. You might have had some potential if you hadn't
made so many bad...bad decisions. On the other hand, this post was fun.
Keep
them coming Robert, seeing as how you chose to start the New Year.
Click to expand...


I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
 
C

Crash Gordon

How many configurable zones to you need on a low end panel?
Same for scheds...macros...blah blah blah.


|
| | >
| >
| > Robert L Bass wrote:
| >
| > >>So Mark...you probably see more varied panels
| > >>than anyone here...what do you think as far as
| > >>ease of programming...low end Vistas or Nappys?
| > >
| > >
| > > I can answer that one for you. Ademco / Honeywell Vista-15P and
| > > Vista-20P control panels are easier to program than Napco's
| > > P1632, P3200, etc. With all of that Napco flexibility come a lot
| > > more programming options from which to choose. Some things you
| > > can leave untouched if you're not using them.
| > >
| > > If you like the standard zone types (pre-configured sets of
| > > options) you can use those much like you can with a Vista panel.
| > > But if you want to change the way one or more zones function
| > > beyond the basics, you're going to spend more time in the Napco
| > > manual. The difference is that with Napco you have the choice.
| > > With most other brands your options are far more limited.
| >
| > The 20PS has configurable zones... OK only 2 of 'em but its a start...
|
| Umm no that panel has 4
|
|
|
 
R

Robert L Bass

Sure, if you are using a downloader. I thought we were talking hand
programming...
Click to expand...

I didn't realize you only meant programming by hand. In that
case, I wouldn't even consider the P3200 or larger Napco panels.
The easiest current panel to program by hand that I've done was
the DSC Power832. The first time I programmed one was for a
DIYer in CT who was having trouble understanding it. He was a
fireman working in my town. I opened the programming
instructions for the first time and wrote the program in less
than 30 minutes.

Ademco Vista panels aren't bad for keypad programming. DIYers do
them every day with little or no trouble. With Napco I always
suggest they get the PCI-Mini and the free Napco software. As
many Napco panels as I've done, I still won't hand program them.
We do alomost all our programming in the field. Especially the smaller
panels. There are a few laptops floating around for the bigger panels
but I never seem to have one when I am installing one... go figure...
Click to expand...

I issued laptops to each installer, not just for programming new
installations but also for service calls. You can often get a
better picture of what's going on with an installation by
downloading the panel's history. Sometimes that's the only way
to discover a problem because non-DIY end users don't always
remember what they did before a false alarm was triggered.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
D

Doug L

Thats absurd, are you trying to suggest that DIY end users somehow have
better recollection than non-DIY end users.

Too funny

Doug L
 
M

Mark Leuck

JoeRaisin said:
Sure, if you are using a downloader. I thought we were talking hand
programming...
We do alomost all our programming in the field. Especially the smaller
panels. There are a few laptops floating around for the bigger panels
but I never seem to have one when I am installing one... go figure...
Click to expand...

We are talking about keypad programming, that panel has four configurable
zones 90, 91, 92 and 93
 
C

Crash Gordon

And the relatively new zone type 12 monitor zone...just used that one for
the first time. Perfect for hi/lo temp sensor.



|
| | >
| >
| > Mark Leuck wrote:
| > >>
| > >>The 20PS has configurable zones... OK only 2 of 'em but its a start...
| > >
| > >
| > > Umm no that panel has 4
| > >
| > >
| > Sure, if you are using a downloader. I thought we were talking hand
| > programming...
| > We do alomost all our programming in the field. Especially the smaller
| > panels. There are a few laptops floating around for the bigger panels
| > but I never seem to have one when I am installing one... go figure...
|
| We are talking about keypad programming, that panel has four configurable
| zones 90, 91, 92 and 93
|
|
 
C

Crash Gordon

me too...a _few_ times.


| Hey I've used every one a few times
|
| | > How many configurable zones to you need on a low end panel?
| > Same for scheds...macros...blah blah blah.
| >
| >
| > | > |
| > | | > | >
| > | >
| > | > Robert L Bass wrote:
| > | >
| > | > >>So Mark...you probably see more varied panels
| > | > >>than anyone here...what do you think as far as
| > | > >>ease of programming...low end Vistas or Nappys?
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > > I can answer that one for you. Ademco / Honeywell Vista-15P and
| > | > > Vista-20P control panels are easier to program than Napco's
| > | > > P1632, P3200, etc. With all of that Napco flexibility come a lot
| > | > > more programming options from which to choose. Some things you
| > | > > can leave untouched if you're not using them.
| > | > >
| > | > > If you like the standard zone types (pre-configured sets of
| > | > > options) you can use those much like you can with a Vista panel.
| > | > > But if you want to change the way one or more zones function
| > | > > beyond the basics, you're going to spend more time in the Napco
| > | > > manual. The difference is that with Napco you have the choice.
| > | > > With most other brands your options are far more limited.
| > | >
| > | > The 20PS has configurable zones... OK only 2 of 'em but its a
start...
| > |
| > | Umm no that panel has 4
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
J

JoeRaisin

Mark said:
We are talking about keypad programming, that panel has four configurable
zones 90, 91, 92 and 93
Click to expand...
How do I get to 92 & 93?

Programming fields 182 - 185 programs parameters and reports for 90 & 91
but even the book tells me the other two are programable only via
downloader.
 
J

JoeRaisin

Crash said:
And the relatively new zone type 12 monitor zone...just used that one for
the first time. Perfect for hi/lo temp sensor.
Click to expand...

Love that one
 
M

Mr.Double-sided tape

Nada on the mail there Frankie.
You must still be drunk from the party you threw after the liberals got
ousted.
My guess is Campbell got so drunk he'll still have the beer shits when
Spuds McKenzie's great-grandson (or is that granddog?) turns 100.
 
M

Mark Leuck

Yea except it sends an E150 Auxiliary alarm, if the central station is one
that dispatches based on the CID event you might have problems
 
M

Mark Leuck

I learn something new every day, you are correct

JoeRaisin said:
How do I get to 92 & 93?

Programming fields 182 - 185 programs parameters and reports for 90 & 91
but even the book tells me the other two are programable only via
downloader.
Click to expand...
 
C

Crash Gordon

I just translated the 150 to appropriate response code. It was easier than
figuring out the configurable zone type/CID code on the fly in freekin
freezing weather. I can always change it remotely. But the nice thing about
type 12 is that it auto resets and no beeps/buzzer so the h/o doesn't have
to deal with that...just the almost frozen pipes.




| Yea except it sends an E150 Auxiliary alarm, if the central station is one
| that dispatches based on the CID event you might have problems
|
| | > And the relatively new zone type 12 monitor zone...just used that one
for
| > the first time. Perfect for hi/lo temp sensor.
| >
| >
| >
| > | > |
| > | | > | >
| > | >
| > | > Mark Leuck wrote:
| > | > >>
| > | > >>The 20PS has configurable zones... OK only 2 of 'em but its a
| start...
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > > Umm no that panel has 4
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > Sure, if you are using a downloader. I thought we were talking hand
| > | > programming...
| > | > We do alomost all our programming in the field. Especially the
| smaller
| > | > panels. There are a few laptops floating around for the bigger
panels
| > | > but I never seem to have one when I am installing one... go
figure...
| > |
| > | We are talking about keypad programming, that panel has four
| configurable
| > | zones 90, 91, 92 and 93
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
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