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Don Y

Hi,

They're everywhere!

And, often CRAP!

Any guidelines on selection criteria? Any worries about failure modes?

Do the "inverse" variety (now popular on laptops, LCD's, etc.) offer
any special advantages over the traditional style?

Thx,
--don
 
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miso

Hi,

They're everywhere!

And, often CRAP!

Any guidelines on selection criteria? Any worries about failure modes?

Do the "inverse" variety (now popular on laptops, LCD's, etc.) offer
any special advantages over the traditional style?

Thx,
--don

Do you mean coaxial power plugs, or RF connectors with females on both
sides?

If you are building custom gear and you meant a DC coaxial connector,
use a Cannon XLR connector for power. There are 4 pin connectors if you
want to be official. Use a 3 pin if you are the only person using the
gear. The 4 pin version is to avoid people not knowing what they are
doing plugging in the wrong gear.

Four pin XLR is used in ENG, but then it also found its way into some
custom audio.
 
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Paul E Bennett

miso said:
Do you mean coaxial power plugs, or RF connectors with females on both
sides?

If you are building custom gear and you meant a DC coaxial connector,
use a Cannon XLR connector for power. There are 4 pin connectors if you
want to be official. Use a 3 pin if you are the only person using the
gear. The 4 pin version is to avoid people not knowing what they are
doing plugging in the wrong gear.

Four pin XLR is used in ENG, but then it also found its way into some
custom audio.

I have used the Neutrik XLR range (5 and 6 pin) for some industrial control
applications. Excellent connector for localised quick connect-disconnect and
very robust in all the formats.

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Phil Allison

"miso"


** FOAD you STINKING NUT CASE TROLL

Never post here again.

Or this NG will be sabotaged.
 
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Don Y

Do you mean coaxial power plugs, or RF connectors with females on both
sides?

power plugs. sorry, i thought that would have been obvious from my
derogatory references! :>
If you are building custom gear and you meant a DC coaxial connector,
use a Cannon XLR connector for power. There are 4 pin connectors if you
want to be official. Use a 3 pin if you are the only person using the
gear. The 4 pin version is to avoid people not knowing what they are
doing plugging in the wrong gear.

Four pin XLR is used in ENG, but then it also found its way into some
custom audio.

Huh??? like the sort used on microphones?

WAY too big and far heavier than needed.

Thknk of the sorts of places you see "barrel connectors" and imagine
one of yours in that same application...
 
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Don Y

Do you mean coaxial power plugs, or RF connectors with females on both
sides?

power plugs. sorry, i thought that would have been obvious from my
derogatory references! :>
If you are building custom gear and you meant a DC coaxial connector,
use a Cannon XLR connector for power. There are 4 pin connectors if you
want to be official. Use a 3 pin if you are the only person using the
gear. The 4 pin version is to avoid people not knowing what they are
doing plugging in the wrong gear.

Four pin XLR is used in ENG, but then it also found its way into some
custom audio.

Huh??? like the sort used on microphones?

WAY too big and far heavier than needed.

Thknk of the sorts of places you see "barrel connectors" and imagine
one of yours in that same application...
 
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Don Y

Digikey has these at $20 a pair ( one male/one female ) !!!!!

Just for power ?!?!

May be *excellent* for power -- ignoring other considerations!
:(

But, you see barrel connectors *everywhere*. No doubt
because they are small, inexpensive and "adequate"
(even if only barely so).

Ignoring the plethora of different ID/OD combinations
(along with polarity), my question is why a particular
"style" is used (or avoided).

E.g., obviously a smaller body is used in cases where there
is less available room. Larger ID for higher current
capacities? Or, just to make "yours" different that
"the next guy's"?

Longer barrels often to overcome "too much plastic" in the
fabrication of the employing device's case (so, the mate is
"too far recessed").

But, why the appearance of these "inverse" variants?
Is there a mechanical advantage? Electrical? Or, just
more variety for the sake of variety??
 
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Don Y

On 11/15/2013 1:40 PM, Don Y wrote:
Grrr... I'm seeing lots of duplicate posts (of mine). I
suspect my server is having issues :< Sorry!
 
Digikey has these at $20 a pair ( one male/one female ) !!!!!

In *any* quantity, the cable mounted ends should be around $6. The
panel or board mounted connectors are cheaper. DigiKey charges big
money for one of anything, which is quite reasonable.
Just for power ?!?!

Why not? It's a great connector. It's too bad there aren't more
configurations.
 
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Phil Allison

"Don Y"
They're everywhere!

And, often CRAP!

Any guidelines on selection criteria? Any worries about failure modes?

Do the "inverse" variety (now popular on laptops, LCD's, etc.) offer
any special advantages over the traditional style?


** The term "barrel connector" must be an Americanism - cos I have never
heard it before.

It alludes to resemblance of the male connector to a gun barrel - right ?

How pathetic.


.... Phil
 
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Phil Hobbs

"Don Y"



** The term "barrel connector" must be an Americanism - cos I have never
heard it before.

It alludes to resemblance of the male connector to a gun barrel - right ?

How pathetic.

"Barrel connector" historically refers to M-M or F-F RF coax connectors.
Applying it to coaxial power connectors is a perfectly ordinary bit of
technical illiteracy of the sort we all know and love, probably coming
from some ESL type in the Far East.

IOW you made that up. Howzabout going back on your meds so you can talk
about audio and stuff coherently?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


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Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 USA
+1 845 480 2058

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
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Phil Allison

"Phil Hobbs is insanely autistic "
Phil Allison

"Barrel connector" historically refers to M-M or F-F RF coax connectors.

** Does it - news to me.

Applying it to coaxial power connectors ...


** Has probably got nothing to do with the above at all.

is a perfectly ordinary bit of technical illiteracy of the sort we all
know and love, probably coming from some ESL type in the Far East.

** You just made that up.

IOW you made that up.

** No, you made shit up.

I asked a simple question.

BTW:

**** off - you vile, autistic pile of septic shit.



..... Phil
 
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Phil Hobbs

"Phil Hobbs is insanely autistic"

** Does it - news to me.




** Has probably got nothing to do with the above at all.



** You just made that up.



** No, you made shit up.

I asked a simple question.

BTW:

**** off - you vile, autistic pile of septic shit.



.... Phil

Enjoy!

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 USA
+1 845 480 2058

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
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Phil Allison

"Phil Hobbs is insanely autistic "


** Get cancer and die - you know nothing, fucking MORON
 
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Phil Allison

"Phil Hobbs is insanely autistic "



** Get cancer and die - you know nothing, fucking MORON
 
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Phil Allison

"John Larkin"
"Phil Allison"
I know Phil,

** No you don't.

and he's not.


** Impossible for someone as fucked in the head as you to even tell.

Cos the exact same comment applies 100% to you.

Asshole.


..... Phil
 
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Jasen Betts

Hi,

They're everywhere!

And, often CRAP!

Sturgeons law?
Any guidelines on selection criteria?

You mean like current limits and mating cycle counts?
Any worries about failure modes?

The cable seems to die first in my experience.
Do the "inverse" variety (now popular on laptops, LCD's, etc.) offer
any special advantages over the traditional style?

AFAICT three contacts.
 
Don Y said:
Any guidelines on selection criteria?

There is a Japanese standard for these, that Sony and Nintendo equipment
seems to follow. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIAJ_connector The
diameter goes up with voltage. The standard doesn't seem to require it,
but it seems popular for the defined voltage to not be an even number.
The insulator at the tips of these plugs is usually yellow, at least on
Sony and Nintendo gear.

For "regular" plugs, the most common OD is probably 5.5 mm, with either
a 2.1 mm or 2.5 mm ID. The voltage and current can be anything at all,
up to maybe 50 W, +/- 50 W.

If you want your customers to be able to improvise a supply, pick a
common size. If you want to sell them power supplies and/or cause them
to go to the competition, pick a weird size.

I don't know what brands are good or bad, but I'd probably look for a
"name brand" like Switchcraft or Hirose first, and then look for
something cheaper when the bean counters scream.

A lot of smaller devices seem to have standardized on USB connectors,
which are almost always good for 5 V, 0.5 A; higher currents are
available but you can't always count on this. The main advantage is
that you can be pretty sure that the voltage will be between 5.0 and
5.5 V, and that the polarity will be right.
Any worries about failure modes?

I've actually had more failures of the wire right behind the plug than
I have had of the plugs or the jacks. I would tend to trust a through-
hole jack more than a surface mount one, especially if the plug will
be disconnected and reconnected often.

These are more of a design thing, but: one "failure mode" might be that
if the plug even remotely sort of fits, people will try to cram it into
the socket, so you might get all kinds of unexpected voltages coming in.
A fuse with a "backwards" diode after it guards against wrong polarity;
guarding against too-high voltage is a little trickier. If you can
stand the voltage drop, board space, and budget, put in a bridge
rectifier and a capacitor, so the user can use any AC or DC power supply
of some minimum voltage.

Also, some of the jacks have switches that open or close on plug
insertion. Some devices use these to switch between internal or
external power. Some users, though, might prefer to leave the plug
connected all the time, and remove the AC power from the power supply
instead; your device might not be able to rely on the switch contact
in the jack.
Do the "inverse" variety (now popular on laptops, LCD's, etc.) offer
any special advantages over the traditional style?

Are you talking about the ones that have a pin inside the barrel? As
far as I know, this is to offer an extra "data" channel to the power
supply; these are really 3-circuit connectors. The outside surface of
the barrel is one side of the power supply (usually negative), the
inside surface of the barrel is the other (usually positive), and the
pin is "data". The "data" can be as simple as a resistor to one side
of the power supply, which the connected device measures and interprets,
or as complex as a serial bus to a microcontroller or ROM inside the
power supply.

The "data" can be used for good or for evil. A good use is that the
cheap 20 volt 3 amp supply has (say) a 1K resistor to ground, and the
more expensive 20 volt 5 amp supply has (say) a 2K resistor to ground.
The connected device has an A/D that tells it what resistor is there,
and then it can adjust its internal switching power supply appropriately
to only draw as much current as the external supply is capable of.
(Laptops often do this; they *have* to power the CPU and then the
battery gets whatever is "left over".) An evil use is to require the
power supply to authenticate to the connected device, in order to sell
power supplies at inflated prices^W^W^W^W^W^Wprotect the consumer.

Matt Roberds
 
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