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Advice on complete portable off grid infrastructure?

I may be moving to another country and living off grid
lifestyle

I need advice on "portable" infrastructure" that I can
assemble and try here yet is still easy packable to
another locations

Would include:

portable toilet
solar panels for some electricity
water catchments system

This would be just for one person

Imagine you are getting stranded on a tropical island
with no..... NONE... life sustaining equip. What could
you assemble that would transport well there yet remain
simple and do the job?
 
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Anthony Matonak

I need advice on "portable" infrastructure" that I can
assemble and try here yet is still easy packable to
another locations

You might try looking at camping supply stores.

Anthony
 
I can't imagine a portable toilet being a first priority in such a
situation. I'd be more concerned about where I was going to get a
steady supply of food instead of where I would dump it. Is this a
homework assignment?

No... not homework

Possible missionary work
 
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daestrom

Harry Chickpea said:
I can't imagine a portable toilet being a first priority in such a
situation. I'd be more concerned about where I was going to get a
steady supply of food instead of where I would dump it.

Food is important, yes. But one can live off some pretty disgusting things.

Clean water however, is another story. Many under-developed countries have
serious health problems related to a lack of basic sanitation and clean
drinking water.

Frankly, those would be more of a priority to me than 'solar panels for some
electricity' unless you can show a direct relationship there (well pumps
maybe??)

daestrom
 
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Philip Lewis

Possible missionary work

I think we need more parameters.
Your initial parameter of "dropped on an island with nothing" doesn't
really work for "having solar panels to power stuff". ;)
What sorts of things do you wish to power?

will you have to hand carry all the stuff that is available?
What resources do you expect to have locally?

In a "survival" situation your big priorities are food, water, shelter.
It sounds like food/shelter might be taken care of, but not
water (or perhaps "clean" water) since you mentioned a the water
collection system.

I think serveral sheets of thick sheet plastic are a good start.
it will catch water, you can make a lined "pond" for water storage,
solar still, condensation collector, etc.

Water filter/purification tablets might be good.

multi-vitamins.... enough to last you your entire trip.

I cannot stress this recommendation firmly enough: a Swiss army champ knife.
I've cut 2x12s with mine. has many tools including a mag glass which
might be helpful for starting a fire in a pinch, though a good lighter
is light and easy to pack. ;) I lost mine a couple weeks ago and i'm
amazed at how often i "miss" it for doing all my everyday tasks.
need to replace it soon.

some other things to think of:
several sheets of mylar: light and shiny... can be used for a solar
oven to help pasteurize water/cook food/etc.

Several large "turkey" cooking bags (also for the solar oven)

Space blanket or tarp: if the weather can get cold.... also the shiny
surface could be used in the solar oven setup instead of mylar. the
tarp version can be an emergency shelter.

Wood gassification stove (or instructions for makeing them with local
materials). for efficient cooking and creation of charcoal to help
filter/remove organics from water. I believe there are small designs
that can be made from a couple soupcans.

Solar LED garden light: can provide light, recharge batteries (Hampton
bay has some cheap ones at Home Despot (sic) that have 2 removable AA
batteries. I just used them while camping to recharge my flashlight
batteries.)

I picked up a small solar panel from harbor freight that charges
several battery types( built in:AA/9V...others with "clips") and has a
power octopus to provide 3-12V output for running devices, but i can't
find a link on the web page... if i find the box, I'll look for a SKU.

Small trenching tool for digging. (toilet, water collection, etc)

yoghurt or kefir culture. if you can get milk, this will preserve it
and alow you to make cheese/etc. the whey is high in b vitamins as
well.

Sewing kit with sturdy needles, perhaps leather needles, and strong
thread. (artificial sinew is good.)

you might want to ask this on misc.survivalism...
 
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wmbjk

Personally I would take my survival knife that has about 3 dozen gadgets in
it, a filtering water bottle, and several large (9' X 12') sheets of clear
plastic to be used as shelter, catching rainwater, and possibly even for a
makeshift solar still. A rifle and fishing gear could come in real handy if
you like eating regularly.

This "most incredible" knife
http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/photogallery/article/0,20036,1145810_1304110,00.html
doesn't have everything on your list, but it may be as close as you
could get in a single tool. :)

Wayne
 
Honestly, though, I think you'd be better off with a Yamaha EF1000esi micro
generator:
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/outdoor/products/modelhome/442/0/home.aspx. Ten
times the power at 1/10 the bulk.

yeah I thought abt generators but what abt the noise?
and how would I ship fuel to this spot? that's why I
was thinking solar.

the need for electricity will be minimal.... but would
still need "some". mainly to run an extremely efficient
small refrigerator to keep foods from spoiling
As for a water cachement system, the cache is not the problem. Treatment is.
There exists a low technology method of extremely high effectiveness. See
http://www.oasisdesign.net/water/treatment/slowsandfilter.htm

might work

but since it would be rainwater I'm catching.... south
pacific rainwater..... is treating it that much
necessary? would say a few drops of Clorox work?

link below has rain catchment barrels. was thinking of
rigging a big tarp to catch rain and feed the barrels

http://www.rainbarrelguide.com/
Toilet: how about a simple commode:
http://www.elitemedical.com/3in1commodes.html.
You can use it as a throne while talking down to the natives ;) After use,
run into the bush and dump the pan on a lion, tiger, python, or komodo
dragon, as the continent/island may dictate.

haha

yes the toilet will be easiest to solve anyway. so it
can be simple
 
soundhaspriority said:
Amorphous panels are not as efficient as crystalline panels, which are all
built on glass. Glass panels are bulky, and batteries are heavy. Panels must
be mounted in such a way providing maximum sun exposure, while withstanding
Pacific storms and avoiding cocoanuts. For serious work, you also need a
charge controller, and possibly, an inverter. Thus, four separate
subsystems, with appropriate cables and hardware. Batteries will require a
supply of distilled water for topping off. As with generators, it can break.
In case of a severe storm, you can grab your genny and retreat to a cave,
but you will not be able to save your panels so easily.

Point taken

see link

http://tinyurl.com/m7jut

This woman lives off grid on Big Island Hawaii. Just
has the solar panel laying ion ground

I still see your point abt the convenience of a
generator tho. I will chk into the micro generator
By contrast, the generator is tiny and powerful. A large supply of fuel is
heavy, but not fragile.

That's a definite PLUS for the generator..... in that
the fuel and system is NOT fragile. Good point.
Figure about a gallon a day for the micro generator.
A 1/3 year supply could be positioned with you. Are these natives really so
primitive they don't have outboard motors? I read Paul Thereoux's book:
http://www.paultheroux.com/nonfiction/the.happy.isles.of.oceania.htm
Most islands have some gasoline for utility purposes.

Book looks VERY interesting. I will get it and read it!

No.... natives aren't completely primitive. I've just
never done anything like this and have no experience
where to start.

My goal is to assemble the "infrastructure" here in the
US an actually live and use it while in the safety and
comforts of my apartment. Basically do a mock up of
living this way before doing the real thing. Kind of
like how NASA does a mock up space shuttle run before
actually doing it
 
soundhaspriority said:
The Yamahas are so small,
bring two. Optionally, bring a small battery bank to be charged by the
generator, so you have light for reading all night.

Hmm <scratching chin>..... I think you've convinced me
a microgen is better
 
soundhaspriority said:
This is Bob Morein, posting with my other handle, "Soundhaspriority". I'm
WA3IOX, extra. But are you sure you could get used to narrow-band
communication? IMHO, the "pipe" is too small for our modern world. I
wouldn't sit on an island by choice, unless I had one of the following:

1. A Hughes VSAT system. I like these people: http://www.rv-satellite.com

2. In the Pacific, there may be coverage from Inmarsat's RBGAN (Regional
Broadband Global Area Network)
http://www.gmpcs-us.com/products/inmarsat/RBGAN.htm, with a terminal that
weighs 3 lbs. The interesting thing about it is that it's pay-as-you-go, no
monthly charges, and the terminal is around $500. Pity there is no coverage
in the US.

I used to be a code operator. It wouldn't satisfy me now.

cool!

I will check this stuff out above
 
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