ABC Logo in Jeopardy?

[Phil Allison]

Hi to all,

the famous ABC logo is ( the lissajous pattern ) is to be replaced with a
new and very boring one that just says "ABC1" - a slavish imitation of the
British BBC.

The old logo will supposedly be still seen, but is no longer the primary
one.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/tv--radio/abc-denies-squiggle-is-going/2008/01/30/1201369178643.html

As some of you would know, the old ABC logo can be produced on the screen of
any analogue CRO using X-Y ( ie horizontal & vertical ) mode using two
audio generators - one generator for each axis. The famous pattern is
obtained when the frequencies are set to an exact ratio of 3:1, the higher
frequency being used for the vertical.

A small error in the frequency ratio causes the pattern to rotate, just as
it once did when ABC used it on air as their station ID.

Lissajous patterns can be produced with any ratio of two frequencies; a 1:1
ratio results in a circular pattern and if the ratio is exact, the pattern
becomes stationary appearing to be an ellipse or a circle depending on the
relative phase of the two generators.

It is possible to go further with these patterns if one generator can output
a square wave - likewise the use of a simple 90 degree phase shift network
allows only one generator to produce a circular pattern on the screen. A
second generator is then able to " modulate " that circle into some
surprising patterns. These patterns will be seen as spinning on the CRO
screen unless the frequency ratios are exact and locked in phase.

I have posted four attractive looking examples of what can be produced on
ABSE - "alt.binaries.schematics.electronic"

Any Google Groups uses will have to get themselves a REAL newsreader to
see them.



........ Phil

 

[Bhagat Gurtu]

Hi to all,

the famous ABC logo is ( the lissajous pattern ) is to be replaced with
a new and very boring one that just says "ABC1" - a slavish imitation
of the British BBC.

The old logo will supposedly be still seen, but is no longer the primary
one.

Yeah they should call it ABBC, but it is a poor imitation of the BBC.
Where are the Australian equivalents of BBC Horizon and like? The Howard
stooges probably had a lot to do with the ABC's progressive loss of
quality. The news and current affairs has been dumbed down, and there is
that endless serving of excrement called The Bill.

The iconic ABC lissajous pattern is great, it is a perfect symbol for a
broadcaster, I don't think they should **** with it. Maybe you can
recalibrate it for them.

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

Hi to all,

the famous ABC logo is ( the lissajous pattern ) is to be replaced with a
new and very boring one that just says "ABC1" - a slavish imitation of
the British BBC.

The old logo will supposedly be still seen, but is no longer the primary
one.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/tv--radio/abc-denies-squiggle-is-going/2008/01/30/1201369178643.html


....... Phil

Personally I can't see why the ABC can't retain the original Lissajous
figure and add "1" for the main ABC feed, "2" for ABC2 and "HD" for the high
def feed. As has been pointed out, this has been an iconic symbol for the
ABC for decades.

I recall the Lissajous figure used to slowly rotate (used at the beginning
of the evening news AFAIR many years ago as the opening fanfare played).
Simple idea, but very clever in its day. I wonder who thought of using it
as the ABC's logo? Could Google but frankly I too friggin' lazy to do it
today.

Cheers,
Alan

 

[Phil Allison]

"Ted"
"Phil Allison"

I remember a long long time ago creating lissajous patterns on the family
black and white TV, conecting a stereo audio amp direct to the deflection
coils.
Was great fun until I removed the signals and it burnt the phosphor in the
middle of the tube. The parents thought for a while a fly had landed
there.
I wasn't too popular when they finally caught on what had happened.

** LOL !!

The nearest thing to that I did once for a bit of mischief was to connect
the horizontal deflection coils ( of the family's Kriesler B&W set ) in
reverse.

Looked just fine until some text appeared on the screen.



........ Phil

 

[Mr.T]

Personally I can't see
why the ABC can't retain the original Lissajous

figure and add "1" for the main ABC feed, "2" for ABC2 and "HD" for the high
def feed. As has been pointed out, this has been an iconic symbol for the
ABC for decades.

Agreed, except I do like the newer 3D version of the "original", that they
went to a lot of trouble and expense for already.

Who is the moron that thinks spending money on a new logo instead of new
programs is a good idea, that's what I want to know! Has anybody owned up,
or are they too ashamed of the result!

MrT.

 

[Ross Herbert]

:
:Hi to all,
:
:the famous ABC logo is ( the lissajous pattern ) is to be replaced with a
:new and very boring one that just says "ABC1" - a slavish imitation of the
:British BBC.
:
:The old logo will supposedly be still seen, but is no longer the primary
ne.
:
:http://www.theage.com.au/news/tv--radio/abc-denies-squiggle-is-going/2008/01/30/1201369178643.html
:
:As some of you would know, the old ABC logo can be produced on the screen of
:any analogue CRO using X-Y ( ie horizontal & vertical ) mode using two
:audio generators - one generator for each axis. The famous pattern is
btained when the frequencies are set to an exact ratio of 3:1, the higher
:frequency being used for the vertical.
:
:A small error in the frequency ratio causes the pattern to rotate, just as
:it once did when ABC used it on air as their station ID.
:
:Lissajous patterns can be produced with any ratio of two frequencies; a 1:1
:ratio results in a circular pattern and if the ratio is exact, the pattern
:becomes stationary appearing to be an ellipse or a circle depending on the
:relative phase of the two generators.
:
:It is possible to go further with these patterns if one generator can output
:a square wave - likewise the use of a simple 90 degree phase shift network
:allows only one generator to produce a circular pattern on the screen. A
:second generator is then able to " modulate " that circle into some
:surprising patterns. These patterns will be seen as spinning on the CRO
:screen unless the frequency ratios are exact and locked in phase.
:
:I have posted four attractive looking examples of what can be produced on
:ABSE - "alt.binaries.schematics.electronic"
:
:Any Google Groups uses will have to get themselves a REAL newsreader to
:see them.
:
:
:
:....... Phil
:
:

The reasoning for adoption of the 3:1 Lissajous figure by the ABC makes
interesting reading.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/holo/liss.htm

I wonder how they are going to justify removing the old logo given that they
have espoused such good reasons for using it in the first place.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Ross Herbert"

The reasoning for adoption of the 3:1 Lissajous figure by the ABC makes
interesting reading.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/holo/liss.htm

** The actual reason for using a moving lissajous is that it looked so
intriguing - even to the non technical.

As stated, the 2:1 ratio was already in use as a logo, so it had to be a
3:1

I wonder how they are going to justify removing the old logo given that
they
have espoused such good reasons for using it in the first place.

** This dumb Q is based on several falsehoods.

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.......



........... Phil

 

[Franc Zabkar]

Personally I can't see why the ABC can't retain the original Lissajous
figure and add "1" for the main ABC feed, "2" for ABC2 and "HD" for the high
def feed. As has been pointed out, this has been an iconic symbol for the
ABC for decades.

I recall the Lissajous figure used to slowly rotate (used at the beginning
of the evening news AFAIR many years ago as the opening fanfare played).
Simple idea, but very clever in its day. I wonder who thought of using it
as the ABC's logo? Could Google but frankly I too friggin' lazy to do it
today.

Cheers,
Alan

The proposed logo "changes" were explained on last night's ABC news.
There is no intention of replacing the iconic Lissajous logo, but
there will be new station identifiers for ABC 1 (ABC TV), ABC 2 (ABC
digital), and ABC 3 (digital children's channel).

See http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/30/2149528.htm

- Franc Zabkar

 

[Ross Herbert]

:
:> I wonder how they are going to justify removing the old logo given that
:> they
:> have espoused such good reasons for using it in the first place.
:
:
:** This dumb Q is based on several falsehoods.
:
: Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.......
:
:

Phil, you have - perhaps inadvertently - mis-read my "observation" as a
"question". It is NOT a question", just a thought on what could be a possible
denouncement of their original reasons for using the 3:1 Lissajous in the first
place.

Anyway, this is the response received fron the ABC as to the disontinuation of
the logo.

Thank you for your email regarding the ABC waveform logo.

The ABC acknowledges your concern over reports that this logo is being
abolished. I would like to assure you that the logo is being retained. Below is
a statement from Kim Dalton, Director of ABC Television:

"ABC TV is refreshing its on-air image for 2008, including its logos for both TV
channels. But feel assured the ABC icon "wave" or "worm" logo will remain very
much part of this new look for both networks. The new concept will launch on air
on Friday February 8 and will help differentiate the two channels and give them
a distinctive personality and appeal."

Please be assured, your comments have been noted and conveyed to ABC Television.
Thank you for taking the time to write.


Yours sincerely

Matthew Galvin
ABC Audience and Consumer Affairs

 

[Phil Allison]

"Ross Herbert"
"Phil Allison"

:
:> I wonder how they are going to justify removing the old logo given that
:> they
:> have espoused such good reasons for using it in the first place.
:
:
:** This dumb Q is based on several falsehoods.
:
: Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.......
:

Phil, you have - perhaps inadvertently - mis-read my "observation" as a
"question". It is NOT a question",

** Don't be idiotic - of course it IS a question.

just a thought on what could be a possible
denouncement of their original reasons for using the 3:1 Lissajous in the
first
place.

** That is another of the several
fallacies you invented.

Anyway, this is the response received fron the ABC as to the
disontinuation of
the logo.

** The logo is not being discontinued.

As stated in my original post AND in the news story I linked.

Try learning to fucking read.



........ Phil

 

[Ross Herbert]

:
:::
::
::
:: Try learning to f***ing read.
::
::
::
:: ....... Phil
::
::
:Try learning to be f***ing civil!
:
:TT
:

It wouldn't matter what I wrote or how I phrased it, Phil would always be able
to find an excuse to start in with verbal abuse.

Just as well Phil isn't in the Indian cricket team - although that's not a bad
place for him. You would only have to grin at him and he'd pick a fight with you
for no good reason.

My mother always said to us kids "Don't go out trying to pick fights. If you
can't find a reason to be nice to someone, then don't say anything".

I doubt that Phil had a mother, or, if he did, she was a bad one, or he ignored
her good advice...

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:45:44 +0900, "TT"
<[email protected]>
wrote:

:
:::
::
::
:: Try learning to f***ing read.
::
::
::
:: ....... Phil
::
::
:Try learning to be f***ing civil!
:
:TT
:

It wouldn't matter what I wrote or how I phrased it, Phil would always be
able
to find an excuse to start in with verbal abuse.

Just as well Phil isn't in the Indian cricket team - although that's not a
bad
place for him. You would only have to grin at him and he'd pick a fight
with you
for no good reason.

My mother always said to us kids "Don't go out trying to pick fights. If
you
can't find a reason to be nice to someone, then don't say anything".

I doubt that Phil had a mother, or, if he did, she was a bad one, or he
ignored
her good advice...

Ross, you are no orphan (although I sometimes think Phil may have been).
Like many before me and no doubt many after, Phil just has to beg to
disagree.
I have no issue with his disagreeing, just the very disagreeable way he
seems to go about it. :-(

Cheers,
Alan

 

[Ross Herbert]

:
::: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:45:44 +0900, "TT"
:<[email protected]>
:: wrote:
::
:::
:::::::
::::
::::
:::: Try learning to f***ing read.
::::
::::
::::
:::: ....... Phil
::::
::::
:::Try learning to be f***ing civil!
:::
:::TT
:::
::
:: It wouldn't matter what I wrote or how I phrased it, Phil
:would always be able
:: to find an excuse to start in with verbal abuse.
::
:: Just as well Phil isn't in the Indian cricket team -
:although that's not a bad
:: place for him. You would only have to grin at him and he'd
ick a fight with you
:: for no good reason.
::
:: My mother always said to us kids "Don't go out trying to
ick fights. If you
:: can't find a reason to be nice to someone, then don't say
:anything".
::
:: I doubt that Phil had a mother, or, if he did, she was a
:bad one, or he ignored
:: her good advice...
:
:It's OK Ross, I know Philthy *very* well indeed. I have
:been abused by this entity for a very long time now and have
:been accused of all sorts of heinous crimes and revolting
:acts.
:
:At the end of the day he is just a Bipolar suffering, foul
:mouthed, lonely, sad little man with no qualifications, who
:is un-employable and just sits around all day in his rented
:bed-sit typing volumes of Google crap all over Usenet trying
:to pick fights. While the rest of us have a life ;-)
:
:Cheers TT
:

Yes, Phil's tirades against yourself and several other prominent posters has not
escaped my notice. I generally try to avoid responding to Phil's posts but I
weakened and hoped he might be on a "good" day.

 

[kreed]

Personally I can't see
why the ABC can't retain the original Lissajous


Agreed, except I do like the newer 3D version of the "original", that they
went to a lot of trouble and expense for already.

Who is the moron that thinks spending money on a new logo instead of new
programs is a good idea, that's what I want to know! Has anybody owned up,
or are they too ashamed of the result!

MrT.

Probably a similar idea to spending a fortune on the "T" logo for
Telstra.
Painting a turd with a trendy logo wont stop it stinking.

 

[Mr.T]

Probably a similar idea to spending a fortune on the "T" logo for
Telstra.

You could add the Commonwealth bank to that list.

Painting a turd with a trendy logo wont stop it stinking.

Exactly.

MrT.

 

[ian field]

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:45:44 +0900, "TT"
<[email protected]>
wrote:

:
:::
::
::
:: Try learning to f***ing read.
::
::
::
:: ....... Phil
::
::
:Try learning to be f***ing civil!
:
:TT
:

It wouldn't matter what I wrote or how I phrased it, Phil would always be
able
to find an excuse to start in with verbal abuse.

Just as well Phil isn't in the Indian cricket team - although that's not a
bad
place for him. You would only have to grin at him and he'd pick a fight
with you
for no good reason.

My mother always said to us kids "Don't go out trying to pick fights. If
you
can't find a reason to be nice to someone, then don't say anything".

I doubt that Phil had a mother,

He was raised by dingoes!