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Bit of an update. I'm injecting the two Analog Signal tones into the RCA CD sockets and my Sound Probe is picking them up at IC801 pins 75 & 76.Where do the Signal Tones go from there, I wonder?
 
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I see Fig.12 on page 40/196 shows IC 801 bottom left. Calls it "Input select and Volume". Lots of switches inside. Do you not have to change some setting to get the signal through IC801
 
I see Fig.12 on page 40/196 shows IC 801 bottom left. Calls it "Input select and Volume". Lots of switches inside. Do you not have to change some setting to get the signal through IC801
Dunno, Dries . . . is the short answer! I must look at this! Thanks for the suggestion. I must enlarge that page so I can read it. Fortunately I have the other Dell to do just that - but it doesn't print. Michael Studio1 UK 12:29BST
 
Pinout of IC801 on pg 168/196. Can probably from trace from input to where it should exit
The Schematic of IC801 given on page 168 is incorrect, Dries. I have been railing about this for some time. To check this, compare it to the IC801 pinout on page 114 - and you'll see what I'm railing about!! Michael Studio1 UK 12:34BST
 
Further thoughts on your comment, Dries. I see that Fig.5 - p.33 to Fig.13 - p.41 titled 'AUDIO BLOCK DIAGRAM' are worthy of close inspection. There may be some nugget worth following up (I'd be surprised if there weren't!) I shall spent a while ingesting this along with my Coffee (Italian 5Star Blend) and my Banana Sandwich - sprinkled with castor sugar. Try it! Michael Studio1 UK 13:41BST
 
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Sir Michael . . . . .

If you are audio inputting to IC 801 at its pins 75 and 76 via the GREEN arrows..
It all being in accordance to how you have your input switching set . . . that then addresses to the PURPLE outlined internal solid state switching matrix.

You might then end up with that audio output showing up at the RED marked arrows, of the Sub 1 and Sub2 outputs or at the RED arrow feed to the Analog to digital converter's input.

OR over to the right, with the BLUE arrows, you will find the fixed and variable input feeds to the POWER audio amp for its main--- surround--- and center channels.

73's de Edd

IC801 MARKUP . . . . . . . .

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Sir Michael . . . . .


If you refer to the Denon documents ADOBE assigned page # 129 it will list IC801's part number . . . .which is actually being a R2A15218FP integrated circuit . . . . and the assignment of its pin numbers , along with their names and descriptive function.

Therefore . . . . . R2A15218FP is being IC801's Part Number.

Additionally, if you refer to MULTIPLE earlier pages in the manual, several different switched signal path function positions relating to IC801 are being shown.
To wit . . . . .Pages 33-34-35-36-37-38-39-40 and 41 and additionally, pages 88-89-90-91 and 92.

This is GREAT, excepting that, with them being simple block diagrams, they gave no pin assignments to those IC's being involved.

That is easily found on the page 129 pin assignments of that IC 801 , or, even easier, with the reference photo which I have just supplied.

73's de Edd
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Sir Michael . . . . .


If you refer to the Denon documents ADOBE assigned page # 129 it will list IC801's part number . . . .which is actually being a R2A15218FP integrated circuit . . . . and the assignment of its pin numbers , along with their names and descriptive function.

Therefore . . . . . R2A15218FP is being IC801's Part Number.

Additionally, if you refer to MULTIPLE earlier pages in the manual, several different switched signal path function positions relating to IC801 are being shown.
To wit . . . . .Pages 33-34-35-36-37-38-39-40 and 41 and additionally, pages 88-89-90-91 and 92.

This is GREAT, excepting that, with them being simple block diagrams, they gave no pin assignments to those IC's being involved.

That is easily found on the page 129 pin assignments of that IC 801 , or, even easier, with the reference photo which I have just supplied.

73's de Edd
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Hello 73's de Edd - great to have you involved again. Your annotations with Green, Red and Blue arrows is extremely helpful in understanding this IC801 - which is an extra-ordinary complex issue - made so, I think - by the fact that the picture with pin numbers on page 168 (which you annotated) in no way coincides with the Cct.Diag. on page 114 - which I have enlarged and placed next to page 168 in my copy of the Service Manual - for comparison purposes. I did this several months ago and was non-plussed by the differences. Your reference to 'page 129 pin assignments of that IC 801' seems that Adobe has gone mad - for that page (129) shows SCHEMATIC DIAGRAMS (24/26) - DIGITAL CNT - or what am I missing here please? I looked yesterday at Pages 33-34-35-36-37-38-39-40 and 41 and concluded this illustrated the switching arrangement automatically made on operating the 'SOURCE SELECT' knob on the front of the machine. I haven't come to grips with pages 88-89-90-91 and 92 yet - and am not sure whether my knowledge stretches that far (to be honest!) I am trying to firmly establish what happens to the Signal Tones I am injecting at the CD inputs, arriving at pins 75 and 76 of this IC801 (page 114 version!). Are they 'switched'? do they emerge still Analog - if so, where? Or does the IC801 have an AD Converter inside it? I must study your Annotations with arrows to see if this tells me. I do not (I think) have the appropriate test equipment to trace a Digital Signal - unless my hand-held Oscilloscope can be deemed such! I look forward to your deliberations on these issues! Michael Studio1 UK 5.May 2018@ 07:49BST
 
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This plot is too thick for me. Found this version of R2A15218FP in a Denon 400 manual and it is different yet again
Thank you Dries. There is one unfortunate thing - I cannot enlarge your attachment sufficiently to allow me to scrutinise and compare it to the two R2A15218FP's in the Service manual for the AVR-1912E2/EA. Strangely 73's de Edd seems to be of the opinion that the page numbers in this Service Manual are to be attributed to ADOBE and not to Denon (if I read his post correctly):-"If you refer to the Denon documents ADOBE assigned page # 129 it will list IC801's part number . . . .which is actually being a R2A15218FP integrated circuit . . . . and the assignment of its pin numbers , along with their names and descriptive function."
Now you have found yet another version of the IC801 which I shall endeavour to enlarge somehow . . . Michael Studio1 UK 5-05-2018 18:36BST
 
However, 73's de Edd says:- If you are audio inputting to IC 801 at its pins 75 and 76 via the GREEN arrows..
It all being in accordance to how you have your input switching set . . . that then addresses to the PURPLEoutlined internal solid state switching matrix.

You might then end up with that audio output showing up at the RED marked arrows, of the Sub 1 and Sub2 outputs or at the RED arrow feed to the Analog to digital converter's input.
But looking at the Page114 IC801,
I hope this is better:
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Indeed it is better - Readable in fact!. But I was saying (a-propos 73's de Edd marked up IC801) the RED output pins are: 53 & 54 - which, in the IC801 version on page 114 are designated 'NC' and A/D_L whereas in that same drawing of IC801 on page 168 (the one used by 73's de Edd) pins 53 and 54 are designated 'ADCL' and 'ADCR' which makes a lot more sense. I hope you're following this verbiage? Michael Studio1 UK 19:00BST 05-05-2018
 
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Looking at your latest version of R2A15217FP I see the pins and their respective I.D.'s are different yet again. Michael Studio1
 
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Yep, I think I'm just muddying the water. Have you managed to find the signals exiting anywhere on this confusing IC?
Thanks Dries - answer: No, Not yet. But I have been out all day soaking up the sun at Kew Botanic Gardens country Estate in Sussex: 'Wakehurst Place' Lovely. I haven't turned on the AVR at all today. Michael Studio1 UK 19:10BST 05-05-2018
 
I've got an order Denon version AVP8000, that I assume is similar to your AVR features.

If I put it into "bypass" mode, it passes the input to the related speaker output without any sound effects or processing such as "stadium" mode.
Another words, any FL input will be output after amplification to the FL speaker jack, provided the input selection correlates with the input.

Assuming everything is back together why not hook up a pair of speakers and see what works? You may already be in the home stretch without having to pinpoint the complex path the signal takes.
 
I've got an order Denon version AVP8000, that I assume is similar to your AVR features.

If I put it into "bypass" mode, it passes the input to the related speaker output without any sound effects or processing such as "stadium" mode.
Another words, any FL input will be output after amplification to the FL speaker jack, provided the input selection correlates with the input.

Assuming everything is back together why not hook up a pair of speakers and see what works? You may already be in the home stretch without having to pinpoint the complex path the signal takes.

Thank you, John - that sounds interesting. I haven't checked whether there is a"by-pass"mode yet - and - yes, everything is back together again so is something I can look into and experiment with. Michael Studio1 UK 13:27BST 08/05/2018
 
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