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Why is LED lighting disappearing?

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Liron

LED lighting is supposed to be the way of the future. Yet I've seen two
instances where LED lamps were relaced with more conventional lighting.
What's going on?

Last December/January I went on a cruise, and the ship had replaced its
halogen spotlights in a particular hallway between cabins with LED lamps. I
think that all the other hallways where the cabins were had similar LED
lamps. Six months later I was on the same ship again and in the same
hallway the LED lamps were gone, replaced by more conventional halogen spot
lamps. There were halogen lamps in all the other hallways between cabins
that I visited. There was still a LED lamp in my cabin though, as there was
last time, although it was a different cabin.

Also, my local shopping centre had a strip of LED lights in the new section
that would provide indirect lighting by illuminating the ceiling with
different colours. Today I went back to the shopping centre and the LEDs
were replaced with flourescent lighting.

What's happening here?

Liron
 
T

TKM

Wes said:
In my opinion, there is a TON of LED in the market right now, and sadly
the majority of it is "poor" at best. Most of the junk chips being used
are producing bluish light, not nearly as bright as claimed, and we're yet
to see if it last anywhere near as long as those sources claim. But since
much of that product is without an adequate heat sink (or method to keep
the heat away from the diodes) there is virtually no way possible to have
the claimed life.

Good quality LED light DOES exist, but it isn't cheap and it utilizes
premium grade diodes from a select few sources.

As a rep for one of the truly outstanding manufacturers, one of the issues
we face daily is the effort required to explain away the specifiers or end
users exposure to the "crap" LED they seen in home centers etc... It's
already gained a poor reputation amongst those that have "just enough
information to be dangerous"....

In my opinion, LED is here to stay, and eventually as manufacturing costs
decrease, it will be affordable to the masses. We're just not there
yet....

Wes

I agree. As one of the organizers of the Lighting for Tomorrow Residential
Luminaire Design Competition, I can tell you that we saw as many LED
luminaires submitted this year as in previous years and were surprised since
luminaire sales (mostly because of slow residential construction) were down.
There were also numerous screw-in products that tried to mimic incandescent
lamps which we did not see last year.

But, performance matters and the number of good-quality, high-performance
LED products is still quite limited and costs are not coming down very
rapidly. There's serious competition among LED and conventional downlight
products and a few MR and PAR lamp replacements though.

Terry McGowan
 
J

Jeff Jonas

LED lighting is supposed to be the way of the future. Yet I've seen two
In my opinion, there is a TON of LED in the market right now, and sadly the
majority of it is "poor" at best.

A movie theatre near me (Linden NJ) seems to have used LED under plastic strips
for a neon-look outside the theatre.
Large sections are already dead, others have chunks missing.
Genuine neon tubing would've been better.
 
J

Jeff Engel

Nail said:
That is true, LED cant live up to people expectation
(50000-100000hours) because heat sink and chip qanlity, but it are
able to help saving energy by 70%,it says it only takes only 1-2 year
to get the cost back,
There hasn't been such a big lull on this site for a long time....It's
time to check in with some interesting comments. Did anybody's projects
get fouled up by the bulb ban?
 
A lot has changed (for the better IMHO) with LED based lighting products in the last year. Most of the
innovation has been from China from my observations anyway. The things that the engineering and manufacturing
teams are continually trying to improve upon are 1) the dispersation angle of the available LEDs are too
narrow, and 2) the LED light output per chip needs enhanced, plus 3) incorporating changes to help resolve or
at least improve on issues from #1&#2 without increasing costs to prospective buyers. A possible 4) might be:
Making "plug and play" LED products of a wide variety to allow potential displacement of the older
incandescant, CFLs and T-XX fluorescents as they fail and need replacing. Of course the LED replacement has
to be as bright as what it replaces, which wasn't the case very often not too long ago but now you can get
units that sellers will gaurantee performance and reliability for up to 2 years. You have to pay attention to
the light output per LED and how many of these are included per replacement unit.

I just purchased 2 LED floods that contained 78 LEDs per bulb, anf the LEDs were "3 chip" units that contain 3
LEDs (white in my case...). I have seen up to 5 chip individual LEDs, plus there are also "Luxeon Clones"
that get more output by driving the chips harder and building a heat sink into the product to dissapate the
heat. The floods I bought were clearly marked to be equivilent to a 60 watt halogen in terms of light output,
in practice they seem to be as bright as the others only at a higher color temp. They are noticably "whiter",
ok for my application and I could have purchased a "warm white" unit for roughly the same cost as I recall.
All of the replacements used 110v a.c. although 220v a.c. were available also. The pair cost me 23.00$
including shipping.

To summarize, it seems to me that the "LED Lighting Industry" which includes the big name corporations may
have kept their LED R&D going but no real emphasis on taking the narkets from competing technologies (maybe
because they already have older technology products heavily entrenched in those markets???). However, those
companies with no "conflict of interest" due to being a manufacturer of competing technologies are continuing
to develop at a rate much more focused most notably the chinese companies. These have evolved from a simple
manufacturer of copycat discreet LEDs to developing necessary technologies that allow them the ability to
compete and sometimes offer discreet LEDs with enhancements not available elsewhere, and using these to offer
higher level products that can perform as well as if not better than the older technologies. The slightly
higher entry level prices are easily returned to the buyer in energy savings over the life of the product. The
consumer can buy discreet LEDs, LED replacements for direct replacement of older technologies, and even
complete products like desk lamps, trouble lights, flashlights, etc., from the same supplier via ebay using
paypal. This evolution has transpired mostly in the last year or less. Somehow, I get the feeling that
LEDs, LED technology development, and LED products are poised to capture the ever expanding lighting market
space. regards, Joe.



LED lamps have been used for perhaps ten years or so in Traffic
headlights. So much huha about this light source.... but need patience
n time.....

The lumen package from LED lamps is still quite awhile to go, maybe
require another five years for it to achieve double its present
efficacy level ( efficiency light output against power input of LED
lamp ) of maybe 105 lumens per watt .

Majority of LED lamps are used in facade lighting, i.e general
illumination with pre-programmed DMX-controlled lighting patterns
change of a building.

Of course, for some application, LED lamps are being retrofit for
conventional halogen lamp source.

Heat sink dissipation is still a major area of concern in the context
of low-cost LED products and the problematic situation comes after the
completion of a project. After sales support will then be severly
tested as the symptoms pop up now and then.

So, what you have seen is the re-replacement of LED lights which is
not surprising at all as apparently it does not function as
appropriately as the conventional light source ( Application
Function ). It does not possess the light intensity of the MR16 12V
50W halogen dichroic lamp and maybe found not suitable later.

Some eight years ago, I recalled an upgarding project using LED
lighting in a Food Centre in S`pore and they have to changed it to
conventional PLC compact fluorsecent downlights as the lighting level
was way too low........

LED lighting now is the craze as the average burning hours of life
time is supposed to be 20,000 to 50,0000 hours..... but how
performance-correct it is, time will tell........Quality and average
burning hours ( lifetime ) will defintely be an issue of concern for
most brands, I suppose.....

Many are not willing to pay for the good quality ones, so all have to
live with the lower ones or average ones....

Cheers,

Thomas Lee
[email protected]
 
I think LED cost will be down rapidly in 2010 as the production increase and technogy improvement going on.
 
LED life can be largely determined by the drive current applied to the diode throughout its life. I've had equipment with LEDS running at their maximum current and seen some fail in a relatively short time space. On the other hand, as a school kid, in the early 70's I made a digital clock running with 3MM leds and 7-seg displays and it has been running since 1974 non-stop, and to this day all the LEDs are still working, That's over 300,000 hours - one of the reasons they are still all alive I'm sure is because I made a point of designing the circuity so at most, they are running at a maximum of only 80% of the stated maximum drive current. Maybe it's that today, "power leds" for lighting are used with inadequate cooling are are overdriven in an attempt to gain more brightness. A bad practice, though I can appreciate the commercial appeal of doing this.
 
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Business Salesman
Foreign Trade Dep.
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Fax:86-020-84268100
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Day Running Light

1. High quality DRL according EU decree
2. IC driving dedicated for LED
3. PWM for brightness adjustment
4. Advanced digital signal processing chip(DSP)


Recently we have developed day running light as the above according to European Commission policy that all the cars before 2011 should be fitted with DRL, it will promote the driving safety greatly.

For your reference it saves energy a lot only about 10% energy consumption of general headlight. At the present Italy and Poland and some other countries are carrying out this decree.

You can also communicate with me for detailed information through MSN or Email. About more product pictures, welcome to visit our web.

Warm Regards

Ada Yao

Business Salesman
Foreign Trade Dep.
Guangzhou OLLO Electronic Technology Co. Ltd
Tel:86-020-84268116
Fax:86-020-84268100
MSN:[email protected]
 
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