Vista wireless problem

[Raveninghorde]

I'm having problems with a new (6 weeks old) Vista laptop on my
wireless nertwork.

The network works OK with XP machines and with a new Linux eeepc.

The vista laptop works fine for news, email and bit torrents. I can
ping the internet. Web access is intermittent and keeps dropping out.
For example I can ping my adsl router but not access it in firefox or
IE using its IP address.

I just tried accessing a bank using https rather than http. I got an
error message that the security cert was invalid for https://xxxx.com
and use https://www.xxxx.com which also didn't work. So I guess it is
not just port 80 that is being screwed.

I've turned off the windows firewall and I am using Avast as a virus
scanner.

Any thoughts appreciated.

 

[PeterD]

I'm having problems with a new (6 weeks old) Vista laptop on my
wireless nertwork.

...

Any thoughts appreciated.

Posting in a Vista related group would be a good start.

A better way would be to dump that MSFT virus called Vista and get
either XP or Linux.

 

[MooseFET]

I'm having problems with a new (6 weeks old) Vista laptop on my
wireless nertwork.

The network works OK with XP machines and with a new Linux eeepc.

The vista laptop works fine for news, email and bit torrents. I can
ping the internet.  Web access is intermittent and keeps dropping out.
For example I can ping my adsl router but not access it in firefox or
IE using its IP address.

I just tried accessing a bank using https rather than http. I got an
error message that the security cert was invalid forhttps://xxxx.com
and usehttps://www.xxxx.comwhich also didn't work. So I guess it is
not just port 80 that is being screwed.

I've turned off the windows firewall and I am using Avast as a virus
scanner.

Any thoughts appreciated.

Have you run a virus scan on the Vista machine after having it
connected to the network? It may be that the machine has a virus or
10 on it.

Does it run really slow?....no wait Vista always runs slow.

It could be that the Microsoft servers were down and the machine could
send all of your personal information to Bill Gates. Vista doesn't
work well unless it can communicate with the company.

 

[Abbey Somebody]

Does it run really slow?....no wait Vista always runs slow.

You're an idiot, boy.

 

[FatBytestard]

Had same problem. Have one computer on XP and new laptop on Vista. Old
router was the problem. New router corrected problem. WW

Delete network connection. Re-establish new network connection.
Problems depart.

 

[Raveninghorde]

Delete network connection. Re-establish new network connection.
Problems depart.

That didn't work. Web still drops out. I'm listening to streaming
audio from the bbc website and am unable to access anything else.

I'll see if there is a vista firmware upgrade for the router.

 

[Martin Riddle]

That didn't work. Web still drops out. I'm listening to streaming
audio from the bbc website and am unable to access anything else.

I'll see if there is a vista firmware upgrade for the router.

The network stack was rewritten in Vista to adhere to the RFC's, problem
is there are little bugs in the berkley stack that was used in the early
routers. Most have firmware updates to solve this problem.

The usual problem is getting a DHCP address.

Cheers

 

[Raveninghorde]

The network stack was rewritten in Vista to adhere to the RFC's, problem
is there are little bugs in the berkley stack that was used in the early
routers. Most have firmware updates to solve this problem.

The usual problem is getting a DHCP address.

Cheers

I don't understand that as a cause.

Once I've got a DHCP address why should it suddenly lose it? If it
did lose it wouldn't usenet, email and streaming audio etc also stop
working? If I set the laptop to a fixed IP would that be a temporary
fix to prove that this is the problem?

The router is up to date. I'll have to see if the Hawking wireless
extender and netgear access point I use to get the signal around the
house can be up dated.

 

[Nobody]

The network stack was rewritten in Vista to adhere to the RFC's, problem
is there are little bugs in the berkley stack that was used in the early
routers. Most have firmware updates to solve this problem.

The BSD TCP/IP stack was so fundamental to the development of TCP/IP
that several of its bugs resulted in the later RFCs being written to
match the BSD stack rather than the earlier RFCs (the handling of the
urgent pointer being the best known example).

Also, BSD isn't widely used in routers. The early routers didn't have much
of a "stack" (routers only need to understand IP; they only need UDP and
TCP for higher-level functionality such as telnet or web access, DHCP,
etc, not for routing). More recent ones (particulary home/small-office
types) tend to be based upon Linux. And the very high-end ones implement
most of the stack in silicon.

 

[Jamie]

I'm having problems with a new (6 weeks old) Vista laptop on my
wireless nertwork.

The network works OK with XP machines and with a new Linux eeepc.

The vista laptop works fine for news, email and bit torrents. I can
ping the internet. Web access is intermittent and keeps dropping out.
For example I can ping my adsl router but not access it in firefox or
IE using its IP address.

I just tried accessing a bank using https rather than http. I got an
error message that the security cert was invalid for https://xxxx.com
and use https://www.xxxx.com which also didn't work. So I guess it is
not just port 80 that is being screwed.

I've turned off the windows firewall and I am using Avast as a virus
scanner.

Any thoughts appreciated.

stay away from the porn!

and while you're at it, check to make sure you are not operating under
an invalid proxy in the internet set up!. Perform a NetStat at the cmd
line to see if there are any port 80/88 servers operating on your machine.

P.S.
This is not a PC clinic channel.

http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

 

[Jamie]

That didn't work. Web still drops out. I'm listening to streaming
audio from the bbc website and am unable to access anything else.

I'll see if there is a vista firmware upgrade for the router.

most likely because you have maxed out your wireless stream...
plug directly into the router and try that.


http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

 

[Nobody]

When Vista first came out it had a problem with stateful firewalls. I
had to put my old linksys router back in and remove the Cisco one.
There was some net setting to change that was supposed to work also...
can't find reference to it now. I don't know if the problem was ever
corrected with an update. I still haven't gone back to the Cisco router.

Hmm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateful_firewall says:

Pitfalls

Microsoft's latest operating systems, Windows Vista and Windows 7, uses
TCP window scaling for non-http (web) connections. So do Linux kernels
from versions 2.6.8 on. This behavior is incompatible with some
firewalls that use SPI (Stateful Packet Inspection) as found in routers
like the Checkpoint NG R55, Cisco PIX earlier than v6.3.1, NetApp Cache
Appliances, SonicWall, D-Link DI-724U, Netgear WGR614, and Linksys
WRT54GS.[1] This may be related to previous failures to work properly.
Pre-released (beta) versions of Vista allegedly had more problems,
including failed http (web) connections through SPI firewalls.[2]

Don't know if you are using a router with stateful firewall. You may be
able to turn that feature off in router config to try.

I'd suggest checking for a firmware update for the router first. A
stateful firewall is pretty much essential for desktop systems. It's also
essential if you need to use more than one computer with a single IP
address.

 

[FatBytestard]

When Vista first came out it had a problem with stateful firewalls. I
had to put my old linksys router back in and remove the Cisco one.
There was some net setting to change that was supposed to work also...
can't find reference to it now. I don't know if the problem was ever
corrected with an update. I still haven't gone back to the Cisco router.

Hmm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateful_firewall says:

Pitfalls

Microsoft's latest operating systems, Windows Vista and Windows 7, uses
TCP window scaling for non-http (web) connections. So do Linux kernels
from versions 2.6.8 on. This behavior is incompatible with some
firewalls that use SPI (Stateful Packet Inspection) as found in routers
like the Checkpoint NG R55, Cisco PIX earlier than v6.3.1, NetApp Cache
Appliances, SonicWall, D-Link DI-724U, Netgear WGR614, and Linksys
WRT54GS.[1] This may be related to previous failures to work properly.
Pre-released (beta) versions of Vista allegedly had more problems,
including failed http (web) connections through SPI firewalls.[2]

Don't know if you are using a router with stateful firewall. You may be
able to turn that feature off in router config to try.

I'd suggest checking for a firmware update for the router first. A
stateful firewall is pretty much essential for desktop systems. It's also
essential if you need to use more than one computer with a single IP
address.

dd-WRT upgrades the Linksys WRT45GS to a professional capability. One
would think that it accepts scaled window connections.

http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv3/index.php

 

[Bill Palmer]

You're an idiot, boy.

That's right, swallow every drop now... There's a good boy!

 

[MooseFET]

   Pavlov would have been proud of our lapdog, little old incontinent
'dimbulb'.  He salivates on command, and happily rolls in his on dung,
on cue.  All for the slightest bit of attention.

It doesn't really even count as a hit when trolling any more.