davenn
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there is no need for any kind of ballon transformer it is not RF signal than video from camera right?
Of course it's needed …. it doesn't need to be an RF signal.
A balun is used ANYWHERE where you need to match impedances
there is no need for any kind of ballon transformer it is not RF signal than video from camera right?
you can use CAT5 Ethernet cable, which consists of twisted pairs of insulated wires, for analog video.
Yes i agree with Audioguru i doubt that this IC can provide enough gain for 100ft cable.
Another thing:
As far as i know most cameras have composite chinch 75ohm output
so if you use Z=75 ohm cable then you don't need any baloon transformer.
Ethernet cable as such is for LAN network cable and is not good for
transfer analog video signal on such a distance, only in case if is shilded
then might be used.
for example i see security camera which is connected with coaxial RG65 cable and work fine
but distance is cca 10m.
Indeed. And if anyone tries to explain it in any detail, they are accused of putting up a "Wall of Text." Perhaps this perception arises from the fact that @aurelZ has stated "Just to let you know ,i finished my high electronic school somewhere at the end of 1988." Some people believe that once a certain level of education (usually mandatory) is finished, they are done learning for life, except for what they get from "hands on" experience. I am a true-believer in the value of such experience, but education should be a life-long process ultimately leading to death. It's not the destination that is important: it is the journey to get there.You really need to do some reading up on how ethernet is used for long video runs
It's apparent that you don't understand the process
Wait a moment ..
do you really think that i don't know that such a type of camera exists?
come on.. i know of course and i agree that you can with such a camera send digital signal trough
LAN crossover cable to larger distances.
so nothing wrong with that ...
BUT ,,Original Poster ask for ordinary small camera without such a thing and he ask
for video amplifier..right?
WHONOES indeed appears to be well acquainted with this subject. When I initially peeked at this project, the mention of baluns came about. I had never used a manufactured balun but deduced that the root of the word was bal, most likely in reference to an act of balancing a supply to a load. Balancing, I presume is another term for impedance matching. I will have to look up differential transmitters and receivers. My use of differential amps generally produced a short spike due to a change in potential of a signal. If I needed to develop common mode rejection, I had planned on a simple op-amp circuit. I am losing color information. Some signal amp designs that I have looked at, put what they refer to as a pre-amp, in-line,just prior to the device (in this case a digital monitor) that will be processing the data. It is my guess that the information in the app, will be too degraded to recover. Therefore, I thought I would amplify the signal prior to transmission over spooled cable. The signal from the camera is clean. It looks as though the horizontal sync pulse is at ground potential. For an entire pulse of information, the time period is in the neighborhood of 60μs. Front porch, hor sync pulse, back porch with 3 color information at 3 distinct voltage levels, with blanking, etc. Thank you for your input. MDH 08/09/19Edit: Sorry for the misinformation in my post #19: you can use CAT5 Ethernet cable, which consists of twisted pairs of insulated wires, for analog video.The pairs must be connected to impedance-matched differential transmitters and receivers to achieve a 500 foot distance without loss of chroma (color) synchronizing information that is encoded in the horizontal sync pulse.
I have a couple AD811s on their way. Haven't gotten back to experimenting but the 811s look like an ideal amp for this app.I would suggest that he use RG178 which is a 1.78mm diameter 50Ω cable properly terminated at each end, as mentioned earlier, and an AD811 video amp with a gain of 2 to compensate for reduction of signal be the termination.
No apologies necessary at all. I have other irons in the fire, plus everyday life events, plus occasional wifi problems. Let me give you some cable numbers. Cable is a 4 conductor shielded type. 18awg solid. Stamped info as follows: E111272 (05-21513) 18AWG SHIELDED CL 3R/FPLR (UL) OR CMR C(UL) US (06/11) RoHS 081342FT. The spool itself is no high tech item. Best guess is that its intended use is to spool up 110VAC power cord. Probably a brass slip ring over a stationary brass ring. Any genuine info or ideas are quite welcome. But I am quite capable of inventing the wild goose chases on my own. Thank you for your input. MDH 08/09/10I think maybe I or someone else here has alienated @HANKMARS, because he hasn't responded lately. He came here looking for a "simple" solution to his "problem" of how to send color video from a cheap "lipstick" camera down 500 feet of some unspecified cable using a 747 op-amp. What he got was a lot of folks telling him why it couldn't be done, without anyone (me included) offering any specific advice on how he could do it.
I will personally apologize for that, but I am hesitant to offer any suggestions on how to send color video (by any means) over 500 feet of unspecified cable. I could guess, since it was stated that this length of cable was wound on a spool, that flat "telephone wire" type cable was purchased by the end user. But without more information it is impossible to make any specific recommendations that are meaningful... without guesswork in other words.
Amplification along with some other "analog magic" to recover bandwidth lost in the cable could be useful, but 500 feet is a loong distance for raw NTSC analog video. Please take the time to research how an NTSC color signal is assembled. The 60μsTherefore, I thought I would amplify the signal prior to transmission over spooled cable. The signal from the camera is clean. It looks as though the horizontal sync pulse is at ground potential. For an entire pulse of information, the time period is in the neighborhood of 60μs. Front porch, hor sync pulse, back porch with 3 color information at 3 distinct voltage levels, with blanking, etc.
The camera requires a 12VDC supply. A single cable is mandatory. I suppose I could send the 12VDC over the coax, let the signal piggyback on the power line and strip it off, but that may be troublesome, or not.I have a couple AD811s on their way. Haven't gotten back to experimenting but the 811s look like an ideal amp for this app.
That is the block diagram, yes.View attachment 45823 Something like this:
Agreed. The circuits showed in your attachment will be my next build. I obtained them from the AD811 data sheets, application notes.You showed a very slow opamp as non-inverting with a single negative feedback resistor. Its input might or might not be biased properly by the signal source. Your opamp circuit showed no power supply connections. It did not have a series input resistor used in an inverting opamp amplifier.
Since it has only a single feedback resistor (which can be a simple piece of wire) then its voltage gain is 1. If its (-) input had a second resistor connected to ground then it would have a gain of the ratio of the resistor values.
NTSC sync pulses repeat at about 15.7kHz but they are very narrow (short duration) which needs a good high frequency response circuit to produce them. Your very slow opamp cannot doo dat.