Use of stepped sine wave UPS with SONY Bracia Flat Panel LCD TV

[James Sweet]

It always amazes me that in this day and age we still have people who prefer
1981 IBM PC text.

Next someone will ask for upper case only, 5 level Baudot, because they are
reading this group on a Teletype Model 28.

Well HTML has its place, and I'm not terribly bothered by it but really
what in these discussion groups requires anything beyond plain text?
It's an information forum, not an art gallery. I can very much respect a
desire for clean efficiency, extra fluff just gets in the way.

 

[Sjouke Burry]

Well HTML has its place, and I'm not terribly bothered by it but really
what in these discussion groups requires anything beyond plain text?
It's an information forum, not an art gallery. I can very much respect a
desire for clean efficiency, extra fluff just gets in the way.

Besides, a lot of html pages have a lousy font,
and also, I like to choose my lettersize if you
dont mind.
Size and type are often repulsive, and override
my own choice.

 

[Richard Crowley]

"Steve Stone" wrote ...

It always amazes me that in this day and age we still have
people who prefer 1981 IBM PC text.

Next someone will ask for upper case only, 5 level Baudot,
because they are reading this group on a Teletype Model 28.

Usenet has been running quite nicely, thank you, for much
longer than you knew computers or the internet existed.
And long before the IBM PC, even.

If you don't like Usenet, you can go to one of hundreds
or thousands of web-based discussion groups where you
can futz up your text however you like. Don't assume that
the rest of the world is viewing this Usenet newsgroup as
you are. If you act like too much of a boor or a boob,
we will just plonk you and you might as well stop posting.

 

[Scott Dorsey]

It always amazes me that in this day and age we still have people who prefer
1981 IBM PC text.

This is Usenet. This is not the web. If you want to use web protocols on
the Web, that is fine. But you are not on the Web, you are on Usenet.

Next someone will ask for upper case only, 5 level Baudot, because they are
reading this group on a Teletype Model 28.

That would not be apropriate, because that is not a protocol used by Usenet.
This is Usenet. Nor would "1981 IBM PC text" which has high bit characters.
Usenet is not 8-bit clean. This is Usenet.
--scott

 

[Steve Stone]

Richard,

I've been around since way before Fidonet linked up to the Internet.
My Google / Deja News tracks go back to 1992 and I've been in
telecommunications since the mid 1970's.
I know all the old war stories as well as the ancient edicts frowning on
HTML so that Apple, ATARI, Sinclair, Timex, TTY, IBM, UNIX, and OUIJA boards
could be on common ground.

It's the holidays. How about cutting us old farts some slack.

 

[[email protected]]

|> PLEASE turn off the HTML crap.
|>
|
| It always amazes me that in this day and age we still have people who prefer
| 1981 IBM PC text.
|
| Next someone will ask for upper case only, 5 level Baudot, because they are
| reading this group on a Teletype Model 28.

If you want HTML, use a service designed for it ... the WEB!

Usenet/NNTP was not designed for it. Most newsreaders not part of a web
browser don't do HTML. Not much is lost w/o HTML. Postings should be
about content, not fancy presentations.

 

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| On 12/26/06 2:14 PM, in article 89hkh.7703$6Z5.2753@trndny01, "James Sweet"
|
|> Steve Stone wrote:
|>>> PLEASE turn off the HTML crap.
|>>>
|>>
|>>
|>> It always amazes me that in this day and age we still have people who prefer
|>> 1981 IBM PC text.
|>>
|>> Next someone will ask for upper case only, 5 level Baudot, because they are
|>> reading this group on a Teletype Model 28.
|>>
|>>
|>>
|>
|>
|> Well HTML has its place, and I'm not terribly bothered by it but really
|> what in these discussion groups requires anything beyond plain text?
|> It's an information forum, not an art gallery. I can very much respect a
|> desire for clean efficiency, extra fluff just gets in the way.
|
| While HTML does not solve all the problems. It does allow for italics, and
| bold face for emphasis. It allow chemical formulas that look something like
| what shows up in text books. Instead of H2SO4, I can use small fonts for the
| digits. Although it is a pain, there would be some formulas useful in this
| group that will look better in HTML.

So insert a URL when you need to show something beyond what ASCII can do.
That's how I've done it many times in alt.engineering.electrical.

 

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|> Still, IMHO, a bad design. Active cooling should not be needed
|> when there is no active heating.
|
| Modern projectors (especially "road-warrior", portable type),
| servo-controlled lamps, etc. etc. would be non-viable in the
| modern market it they were designed large enough to allow
| unaided convection cooling. Furthermore the heat is so
| concentrated far inside that I question whether one could
| design such equipment for natural cooling regardless of size.

But wasn't the OP talking about a home display model?

 

[[email protected]]

| On 26 Dec 2006 11:45:26 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
|
|>So what about their design makes it a problem for cooling to go from active
|>to passive when the heating goes from active to none? It would seem to me
|>that a slower cooling process would be less stressful. But apparently some
|>aspect of it is a problem where temperature presumably will rise somewhere
|>that active cooling would have prevented (e.g. cool parts adjacent to hot
|>parts). Someone didn't consider thermal in the mechanical design.
|
| Or the punters demanded it small and cheap. Lots of equipment
| requires a shut-down cycle. You're used to it with your computer,
| your ink-jet printer. If they reckon the projector bulb will last
| longer with controlled cooling, why should we take an attitude?

My computer has survived dozens of sudden power outages with no problem
whatsoever. The printer seems to still be working fine, too (but I'm not
stressing it with a dozen reams a day).

 

[Laurence Payne]

| Or the punters demanded it small and cheap. Lots of equipment
| requires a shut-down cycle. You're used to it with your computer,
| your ink-jet printer. If they reckon the projector bulb will last
| longer with controlled cooling, why should we take an attitude?

My computer has survived dozens of sudden power outages with no problem
whatsoever. The printer seems to still be working fine, too (but I'm not
stressing it with a dozen reams a day).

Yeah, and mostly it will. But one day you'll lose data, or corrupt a
disk's file structure.

Are you sure you're not arguing your point a LITTLE harder than it
deserves?

 

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| On 27 Dec 2006 02:40:50 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
|
|>| Or the punters demanded it small and cheap. Lots of equipment
|>| requires a shut-down cycle. You're used to it with your computer,
|>| your ink-jet printer. If they reckon the projector bulb will last
|>| longer with controlled cooling, why should we take an attitude?
|>
|>My computer has survived dozens of sudden power outages with no problem
|>whatsoever. The printer seems to still be working fine, too (but I'm not
|>stressing it with a dozen reams a day).
|
| Yeah, and mostly it will. But one day you'll lose data, or corrupt a
| disk's file structure.

Reiserfs is designed specifically to avoid that. Most partitions are in
that format. The ext2 partitions are mounted read/only.


| Are you sure you're not arguing your point a LITTLE harder than it
| deserves?

I'm sure. Things _can_ be hardened again power outages.

 

[Arny Krueger]

Yeah, and mostly it will. But one day you'll lose data,
or corrupt a disk's file structure.

Not with NTFS.

 

[Richard Crowley]

"Steve Stone" wrote ...

Richard,

I've been around since way before Fidonet linked up to the Internet.
My Google / Deja News tracks go back to 1992 and I've been in
telecommunications since the mid 1970's.
I know all the old war stories as well as the ancient edicts frowning
on HTML so that Apple, ATARI, Sinclair, Timex, TTY, IBM, UNIX, and
OUIJA boards could be on common ground.

I'm likely an older fart than you.
But being a whippersnapper doesn't qualify you (or anyone
else) to breeze through here pissing on all the conventions.

It's the holidays. How about cutting us old farts some slack.

Its the holidays. How about being polite to others.

 

[Richard Crowley]

Richard Crowley wrote:
|> Still, IMHO, a bad design. Active cooling should not be needed
|> when there is no active heating.
|
| Modern projectors (especially "road-warrior", portable type),
| servo-controlled lamps, etc. etc. would be non-viable in the
| modern market it they were designed large enough to allow
| unaided convection cooling. Furthermore the heat is so
| concentrated far inside that I question whether one could
| design such equipment for natural cooling regardless of size.

But wasn't the OP talking about a home display model?

How do you think they get that bright, large-area back-light
without what you call "active heating"? Even fluorescent
sources (and their ballasts, etc.) get pretty warm.

 

[Arny Krueger]

And the Titanic wouldn't sink.

The Titanic might not have sunk if built to the standards of NTFS. ;-)

 

[Laurence Payne]

Not with NTFS.

Oh yes it can. And, occasionally, does.

 

[Arny Krueger]

The mind boggles. How do you crash the hardware so often?

Good question. NTFS has specific safeguards against this sort of thimg
happening.

I pull the plug (literally) on booted XP systems all the time. They reboot
fine.

 

[James Sweet]

Good question. NTFS has specific safeguards against this sort of thimg
happening.

I pull the plug (literally) on booted XP systems all the time. They reboot
fine.

Perhaps the write cache is enabled? If it loses power before flushing
the cache, data can be corrupted. NTFS is certainly much more robust
than the earlier MS file systems though, I haven't had much trouble with
it myself.

 

[Laurence Payne]

I pull the plug (literally) on booted XP systems all the time. They reboot
fine.

You do this on purpose? Or are you VERY careless?

 

[Arny Krueger]

Perhaps the write cache is enabled?

Which one?

IME NTFS is generally robust regardless of write caching.

If it loses power
before flushing the cache, data can be corrupted.

The nature of life is such that one usually pulls the plug on an idle
system.

NTFS is
certainly much more robust than the earlier MS file
systems though, I haven't had much trouble with it myself.

IME there is no serious comparison between NTFS and FAT32. NTFS is *that*
much more robust.