Hello all.
I have some questions regarding certain ideas I have for some simple circuits.
Here's what it's about. There's a set of christmas lamps - make it 20 in series on 230V (12V each). The first one contains a bimetal switch. I need to flash another set of 20 the opposite way. I intend to use the changing voltage on the flasher lamp for that purpose - it is low (12V) when on, and high (230V) when off. To make things simple, the graetz or diode supplies rectified mains to all the lamps. First I tried using a small transistor whose base I connected to high voltage on a flasher lamp through some high-ohms resistor, and it was driving a TIC106 or some similar thyristor. It worked well for a couple of minutes each time, but from some point the second set would just stay on (I was said sine-wave voltage peaks in transistor's base circuit were to blame). The better idea I was given was to use optocoupler (MOC3020) instead, which worked well but they are somewhat harder to find and more difficult to solder without the PCB (as I need to do). So, I came to an idea of a super simple, ultra cheap circuit using PCR406 thyristors which can be had virtually free as I have many broken modern christmas sets using those in 8-function controllers. So, this is what I don't know about my idea - can I connect the PCR406's gate to the mentioned changing voltage (12-230 V) of a flasher lamp through a high-ohm (how big?) resistor but using *something* (like two 1N4007's in series) as a stable voltage reference between gate and ground if necessary - would that idea work? What is important is a full shut-off for the second set when the first one switches on, and I also don't want the current supplied to the electronics to leave enough voltage+current in the first set to make it "glow" when it's flasher lamp is off (lamps could be rated even at 0.05A, but should be typically around 0.1A). And as a second thing - what would be the simplest/cheapest blinkers (without dedicated chips) I could use to trigger a single PCR406 or a pair of them to flash the lamps? A blink-LED crosses my mind first, but can something simple also be made with a condenser/resistor or so?
Thanks in advance, folks.
Here's what it's about. There's a set of christmas lamps - make it 20 in series on 230V (12V each). The first one contains a bimetal switch. I need to flash another set of 20 the opposite way. I intend to use the changing voltage on the flasher lamp for that purpose - it is low (12V) when on, and high (230V) when off. To make things simple, the graetz or diode supplies rectified mains to all the lamps. First I tried using a small transistor whose base I connected to high voltage on a flasher lamp through some high-ohms resistor, and it was driving a TIC106 or some similar thyristor. It worked well for a couple of minutes each time, but from some point the second set would just stay on (I was said sine-wave voltage peaks in transistor's base circuit were to blame). The better idea I was given was to use optocoupler (MOC3020) instead, which worked well but they are somewhat harder to find and more difficult to solder without the PCB (as I need to do). So, I came to an idea of a super simple, ultra cheap circuit using PCR406 thyristors which can be had virtually free as I have many broken modern christmas sets using those in 8-function controllers. So, this is what I don't know about my idea - can I connect the PCR406's gate to the mentioned changing voltage (12-230 V) of a flasher lamp through a high-ohm (how big?) resistor but using *something* (like two 1N4007's in series) as a stable voltage reference between gate and ground if necessary - would that idea work? What is important is a full shut-off for the second set when the first one switches on, and I also don't want the current supplied to the electronics to leave enough voltage+current in the first set to make it "glow" when it's flasher lamp is off (lamps could be rated even at 0.05A, but should be typically around 0.1A). And as a second thing - what would be the simplest/cheapest blinkers (without dedicated chips) I could use to trigger a single PCR406 or a pair of them to flash the lamps? A blink-LED crosses my mind first, but can something simple also be made with a condenser/resistor or so?
Thanks in advance, folks.