Trumps solar wall, forget politics we should just build the thing

[32Vwasbetteronboats]

After about 1" of ice formed around the coil, that ice would act as an insulator.

Maybe copy this idea in some way. Agitation, a trash can full of slurpy is alot of cold if 288,000 Btu are required to make one ton of ice, divide this by 24 hours to get 12,000 Btu/h required to make one ton of ice in one day. http://www.powerknot.com/2010/06/06/what-is-a-ton-of-refrigeration/

water 8lbs a gallon 50 gallons 400lb 20% of 288,000 btu

 

[32Vwasbetteronboats]

No, they don't.

The above quote is a perfect example of that.

ak

I found more,


"There are too many uncertainties to know whether this would cover the cost of the border wall, said Nick Loris, a research fellow in energy and environmental policy at The Heritage Foundation.
“It’s entirely too early to tell and there are too many outstanding questions. If the solar panels are subsidized, we’re just paying for them through another mechanism,” Loris told The Daily Signal. “It’s difficult to know what the solar panels would cost, how much energy they’d produce standing vertically as opposed to angled horizontally like you see at a solar farm or a rooftop.” http://dailysignal.com/2017/06/25/environmental-groups-responding-trumps-solar-wall-pitch/


Its not that difficult, take one outside on a sunny day and stand it vertically as opposed to angled horizontally and measure how much power comes out you moron.

"too many uncertainties" give me a break, in the age of super computing and NASA landing probes on passing asteroids no one can figure out how much energy a long ass string of solar panels will produce ?

This is getting stupid already.

 

[32Vwasbetteronboats]

This satellite image shows the deforestation that has taken place in the Eastern Part of Brazil. The picture illustrates the fishbone pattern that comes as a result of developing new roads.

I think a similar thing would happen with an "electricity road" this solar wall after it was done being built. Additional solar farms could spread out from it once the conduit was built.


I was hoping this thread would appear in search results and get lots of views but its not happening even with all the relevant links and pictures fake news out ranks it, oh well.​

 

[(*steve*)]

“It’s difficult to know what the solar panels would cost, how much energy they’d produce standing vertically as opposed to angled horizontally like you see at a solar farm or a rooftop.”

Those are the easiest things to know.

 

[BobK]

You have to know where that is coming from. A "research fellow in energy and environmental policy at The Heritage Foundation" most likely has a degree in Bible Studies.

Bob

 

[AnalogKid]

Heritage Foundation = Old Testament only.

 

[BobK]

The lovely wife Morticia has weighed in on this.

Solar is not exactly Trump's favorite, coal is.

So build the wall out of coal. Win-win: we create jobs for coal miners without putting more C02 in the atmosphere. Brilliant!

Bob

 

[AnalogKid]

This is getting stupid already.

Look behind you. This was stupid a loooong time ago.

Since English is not your first language, let me help you out by explaining something. "Fake news" is not a thing. It is a meaningless phrase of two unrelated words, like "apple submarine". The facts in a news story can be incorrect, but that is not the same as fake. They can be intentionally wrong, but that is just a lie, something that has lost considerable value in the last few years. Plus, calling something on the news a lie is a dangerous thing to do, because the vast majority of the facts in a news story are trivially easy to verify or debunk. Whereas calling a news story "fake" does not address any of the specifics (the stuff that separate a news story from a fairy tale); instead, it re-characterizes the nature of the story, something that is supposed to be less vulnerable to attack, but which actually exposes the labeler as a sophomoric charlatan. Also, do not confuse news (the dissemination of facts) with opinion (conclusions drawn from those facts). Depending on the news channel, the conclusions can be a tightly summarized analysis of consequences, or knee-jerk pile of emotional triggers and dog whistles designed specifically to distort reality and prevent rational thought.

Back on topic, of course if you cover anything with enough solar panels you'll get some electricity out of it. But cost-effective relative to established technologies in the area? - Almost certainly not. The majority of the wall faces the wrong direction for optimal security and reliability, and it is not clear who owns the land close to the southern face of the wall. Plus, a long thin line of panels is the worst possible arrangement. One of the first things taught in any introductory calculus class is deriving the equation for the area of a circle. Out of that comes the conclusion that for a given length enclosing an area, a circle encloses the most area and a long thin rectangle encloses the least, something know for thousands of years. Separate from that is the power loss in connecting the panels, again worst for a long thin array. Comparing a single-line array over forced geography to an optimized array on land chosen specifically to aid the system is a false equivalence of megawatt proportions.

ak

 

[AnalogKid]

I was hoping this thread would appear in search results and get lots of views but its not happening even with all the relevant links and pictures fake news out ranks it, oh well.

So ... The real news is that you are a fraud whining about fake news. Actually, that's not news.

ak

 

[32Vwasbetteronboats]

Comparing a single-line array over forced geography to an optimized array on land chosen specifically to aid the system is a false equivalence of megawatt proportions.
ak

There is enough concrete in Hoover Dam (4 1/2 million cubic yards) to build a 2 lane road from Seattle, Washington to Miami, Florida or a 4 ft. wide sidewalk around the Earth at the Equator.
The first concrete for the dam was placed on June 6, 1933, and the last on May 29, 1935.

Meanwhile in 2017 they tell us building a stupid wall that is just a 2 lane road on its edge is too difficult. Its no big deal building the single line array to start with then like I already posted above once the conduit is built that fish bone effect can start.

 

[32Vwasbetteronboats]

over forced geography

 

[32Vwasbetteronboats]

I just want to see us build something.

 

[(*steve*)]

I generally prefer something useful, required and fit for purpose be built, as opposed to just something.

 

[Tha fios agaibh]

I'm all for securing our borders but building a wall is probably not be the best solution.
I believe drone technology is more feasible, at least for monitoring vast areas.

 

[32Vwasbetteronboats]

I'm all for securing our borders but building a wall is probably not be the best solution.
I believe drone technology is more feasible, at least for monitoring vast areas.

I like a wall better then that cat and mouse game using big brother and police state tools even if a wall is less effective it just nicer IMO.

 

[BobK]

Of course the wall does nothing about the half of illegal immigrants who enter the country legally with tourist visas. A wall would simply decrease the number of people crossing the border illegally an increase the number crossing legally but staying illegally.

Couple this with the fact that more illegals are going from the U.S. to Mexico currently than are coming in, and we have a non-solution to a non-problem costing 10s of billions of dollars.

Bob

 

[Tha fios agaibh]

..more illegals are going from the U.S. to Mexico currently than are coming in, and we have a non-solution to a non-problem costing 10s of billions of dollars.
Bob

Non-problem?
Illegals leaving the US is also a big problem because many are smuggling guns and money back to strengthen the drug cartels.
Yes, the cost to secure 1,200 miles of our southern border is high but it also vital to our national security.
It should be noted that Mexico is only a portion of illegals invading our borders.

Why spend billions and billions building brick and mortar walls, when other technology could accomplish the same result at a fraction of the cost?

I don't know what technology we would use, but I'd guess drones would be a contender.

 

[BobK]

I did not say we should not try to keep illegals out. I said that the physical border wall won't do it.

The government (and this covers past administrations as well) is much more concerned with making people think they are doing something to solve a problem than they are with actually solving the problem. For example, the sham of searches at the airport. Every time it is tested, most of the weapons get through. How is that making us more secure?

Bob

 

[Tha fios agaibh]

A wall would help but at what cost?

I believe the focus need to be on employers that illegally hire people. It's easy enough to verify the books, but as long as employers are willing to pay people cash under the table, illegals will come and seek out these jobs.

Electronic transactions may be mandatory in the future.

 

[32Vwasbetteronboats]

I generally prefer something useful, required and fit for purpose be built, as opposed to just something.

Non-problem?
Illegals leaving the US is also a big problem because many are smuggling guns and money back to strengthen the drug cartels.
Yes, the cost to secure 1,200 miles of our southern border is high but it also vital to our national security.
It should be noted that Mexico is only a portion of illegals invading our borders.

Why spend billions and billions building brick and mortar walls, when other technology could accomplish the same result at a fraction of the cost?

I don't know what technology we would use, but I'd guess drones would be a contender.

I read that boarder security is the thing that made immigration a problem in the first place.

Apparently way back people would come from Mexico work for a little wile and save up then go back to Mexico where they have more buying power but now that crossing is so difficult if they make it to the US they stay and send money back to family.

I also like the wall better then surveillance technology and policing cause it is almost like owning as opposed to renting. The fewer people running around getting paid the better.

I almost want to vomit when I hear politicians say "create jobs" how about instead we focus on build things to last and stop with the BS planned obsolescence ?

Wouldn't it be nice if working 3 days a week was the norm AND we have more stuff, better lives and more time to enjoy things ? In technological terms, we are very capable of this. And yet it doesn’t happen. Instead, technology has been used, if anything, to figure out ways to make us all work more as jobs are created that are, effectively, pointless.

Rather than allowing a massive reduction of working hours to free the world’s population to pursue their own projects, pleasures, visions, and ideas, we have seen the ballooning not even so much of the “service” sector as of the administrative sector, up to and including the creation of whole new industries like financial services and telemarketing, The massive expansion of sectors like corporate law, academic and health administration, human resources, and public relations. And these numbers do not even reflect on all those people whose job is to provide administrative, technical, or security support for these industries, or for that matter the whole host of other industries (dog-washers and pizza deliverymen) that only exist because everyone else is spending so much of their time working in all the other ones.

#bullshitJobs minus the political junk.

"Create Jobs" NO ! Create useful things not telemarketers and extended vehicle warranty scams.

What we never see on TV anymore is the Jetsons or any of that future world stuff like envisioned pre 1990s, nope just more jobs and more rat race and more rat race jobs.

Solar power plants are future world stuff. I just want to see them built but politics seems only capable of stupid world stuff.

I still think the solar wall barrier combo could be engineered to work.