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Toshiba presents first methanol mp3 players, 35 and 60 hours on a refill

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Spehro Pefhany

I read in sci.electronics.design that The Ghost In The Machine
<[email protected]>) about 'Toshiba presents first
methanol mp3 players, 35 and 60 hours on a refill', on Sun, 2 Oct
2005:


You can get it in other ways, too, if you happen to have the wrong skin
chemistry. The term is often applied to intensive and widespread
itching, of the back and arms. Can even be incapacitating until it wears
off.

It's also used to refer to swarming about, as ants do:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&oi=defmore&q=define:formicate



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
G

Gregory L. Hansen

Rich Grise said:
Ian said:
I wonder how they will package the fuel?
Of course, this will be due to safety worries about people spilling
it on their children while filling, and setting them on fire.
[Grise]
http://www.bu.edu/es/labsafety/ESMSDSs/MSMethanol.html
You can spill the crap on your _skin_ and go blind! I wouldn't
want to handle any of it!
[hanson]
This Toshiba concept is utterly cool! -- That's innovation! But,
ahahaha... Ian and Rich, have you 2 just been brainwashed by
the enviros or are you 2 self-incandescant class 3 enviros?

Methanol was sold as Moonshine during the prohibition and
folks drank it by the quart, daily, without getting anything but
gassed and terribly hung over. Agreed, 50% got side effects,
like going blind, after prolonged guzzling and pigging out on it...

Moonshine was made from grains, just like commercial boozes are, but with
poorer quality control.

When I was at NIST, during lunch one day a fellow student from Ukraine
told us a news story from home. Burglar had been breaking into people's
homes. One homeowner filled an empty vodka bottle with methanol and
left it in the kitchen, easily available. The burglars broke into his
house and drank the methanol, and one or both of them died. The homeowner
was charged with premeditated murder.
 
G

Gregory L. Hansen

I read in sci.electronics.design that The Ghost In The Machine
<[email protected]>) about 'Toshiba presents first
methanol mp3 players, 35 and 60 hours on a refill', on Sun, 2 Oct
2005:


You can get it in other ways, too, if you happen to have the wrong skin
chemistry. The term is often applied to intensive and widespread
itching, of the back and arms. Can even be incapacitating until it wears
off.

This might be historical, but fighters in Thailand would sometimes eat a
type of mushroom that made their skin itch, so it felt good to get hit.
And they'd be hitting themselves before a match, and didn't mind being hit
during the match.
 
R

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian

Moonshine was made from grains, just like commercial boozes are, but with
poorer quality control.

When I was at NIST, during lunch one day a fellow student from Ukraine
told us a news story from home. Burglar had been breaking into people's
homes. One homeowner filled an empty vodka bottle with methanol and
left it in the kitchen, easily available. The burglars broke into his
house and drank the methanol, and one or both of them died. The homeowner
was charged with premeditated murder.

So, the moral to this story would be, if you're going to booby-trap your
home, you should use some kind of live-trap? ;-)

Thanks,
Rich
 
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hanson

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian said:
Methanol was sold as Moonshine during the prohibition and
folks drank it by the quart, daily, without getting anything but
gassed and terribly hung over. Agreed, 50% got side effects,
like going blind, after prolonged guzzling and pigging out on it...
[Hansen]
Moonshine was made from grains, just like commercial boozes
are, but with poorer quality control.
[hanson]
Sure moonshine was MADE from grains, but some shiners SOLD
moonshine spiked with Methanol, if not outright pure MeOH after they
discovered (as I stated earlier) that it is cheaper to dry-distill wood chips
(wood- pyrolysis) to get MeOH and sell it as EtOH... or to retain, collect
and sell the first 5-10% of the fermented grain distillate that is rich in
MeOH. -- To boot, not only back then did this unsavory practice go on
but it happens even today, every day, as was reported in
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mag/2005/04/24/stories/2005042400390400.htm
which states: " Methanol, a toxic solvent, has the same properties as
ethyl alcohol and is much cheaper. In 2004, the police also registered
34,014 cases of illegal sale and manufacture of hooch all over the State
of Maharashtra complaining that 'These illicit dens add methanol to the
hooch which claimed 91 lives and seriously affected over 200 people in
Vikhroli' ".... So, what's ~300 victims out of 35'000 MeOH-boozers...
that's far below the 50% I earlier mentioned... ahahaha...In Pharmacol Toxicol 1987 Mar;60(3):217-20, Jones AW.... it says:
"... the elimination half-life of methanol in *human volunteers*... during the
morning after the subjects had consumed wine with 100 mg/l methanol
the previous evening. The washout of methanol from the body coincided
with the onset of hangover."..... AHAHAHA... volunteers!... ahahaha....There is entire hour TV program devoted to this, on one of the Learning
Channels. Cute side details about MeOH are also in the CACHED text of
http://homedistiller.org/methanol.htm.... and then of course there is the
grand history for all forms and stages of green/enviro-paranoia about
MeOH in http://www.gasdetection.com/TECH/meoh.htmlMeOH use for/in Fuel cells is not new neither. Germany's weeklong
Hannover Fair in April 2002, reported in
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20020907/bob10.asp that
"Dozens of companies are developing direct-methanol and other
types of fuel cells for handheld devices, such as Polyfuel, Smart Fuel
Cells, Samsung, Toshiba and Casio"....
[Hansen]
When I was at NIST, during lunch one day a fellow student from Ukraine
told us a news story from home. Burglar had been breaking into people's
homes. One homeowner filled an empty vodka bottle with methanol and
left it in the kitchen, easily available. The burglars broke into his
house and drank the methanol, and one or both of them died. The
homeowner was charged with premeditated murder.
[ Rich]
So, the moral to this story would be, if you're going to booby-trap your
home, you should use some kind of live-trap? ;-)
Thanks Rich
[hanson]
No, no! Don't do that these days. There are many cases where the
homeowner got into deep legal shit because his dog had mauled the
burglar(s). Even obvious deterrents like barbed wire are problematic.
After our Precious Metal Div. got burglarized, (which was surrounded
by barbed wire) we intended to install razor wire. The City's safety folks
objected because elsewhere in town a burglar who got cut by the razors
while "on the job" did cost them $500'000 in legal fees & compensation
to the burglar turned victim... The city denied our permit application...
The goon got more money from/via his lawyer then he could have
from stealing and fencing... ahahaha... Hey, crime pays! ... AHHAHA...
ahahaha.. ahahanson
 
G

Gregory L. Hansen

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian said:
Methanol was sold as Moonshine during the prohibition and
folks drank it by the quart, daily, without getting anything but
gassed and terribly hung over. Agreed, 50% got side effects,
like going blind, after prolonged guzzling and pigging out on it...
[Hansen]
Moonshine was made from grains, just like commercial boozes
are, but with poorer quality control.
[hanson]
Sure moonshine was MADE from grains, but some shiners SOLD
moonshine spiked with Methanol, if not outright pure MeOH after they
discovered (as I stated earlier) that it is cheaper to dry-distill wood chips
(wood- pyrolysis) to get MeOH and sell it as EtOH... or to retain, collect
and sell the first 5-10% of the fermented grain distillate that is rich in
MeOH. -- To boot, not only back then did this unsavory practice go on
but it happens even today, every day, as was reported in
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mag/2005/04/24/stories/2005042400390400.htm
which states: " Methanol, a toxic solvent, has the same properties as
ethyl alcohol and is much cheaper. In 2004, the police also registered
34,014 cases of illegal sale and manufacture of hooch all over the State
of Maharashtra complaining that 'These illicit dens add methanol to the
hooch which claimed 91 lives and seriously affected over 200 people in
Vikhroli' ".... So, what's ~300 victims out of 35'000 MeOH-boozers...
that's far below the 50% I earlier mentioned... ahahaha...In Pharmacol Toxicol 1987 Mar;60(3):217-20, Jones AW.... it says:
"... the elimination half-life of methanol in *human volunteers*... during the
morning after the subjects had consumed wine with 100 mg/l methanol
the previous evening. The washout of methanol from the body coincided
with the onset of hangover."..... AHAHAHA... volunteers!... ahahaha....

100 mg/l? There you go. They probably got about 10 mg of methanol and
1,000 mg of ethanol. The dose makes a difference. Just because someone
can survive drinking 10 mg of methanol doesn't mean he could survive
drinking a pint of it.
There is entire hour TV program devoted to this, on one of the Learning
Channels. Cute side details about MeOH are also in the CACHED text of
http://homedistiller.org/methanol.htm.... and then of course there is the
grand history for all forms and stages of green/enviro-paranoia about
MeOH in http://www.gasdetection.com/TECH/meoh.htmlMeOH use for/in Fuel cells is not new neither. Germany's weeklong
Hannover Fair in April 2002, reported in
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20020907/bob10.asp that
"Dozens of companies are developing direct-methanol and other
types of fuel cells for handheld devices, such as Polyfuel, Smart Fuel
Cells, Samsung, Toshiba and Casio"....
[Hansen]
When I was at NIST, during lunch one day a fellow student from Ukraine
told us a news story from home. Burglar had been breaking into people's
homes. One homeowner filled an empty vodka bottle with methanol and
left it in the kitchen, easily available. The burglars broke into his
house and drank the methanol, and one or both of them died. The
homeowner was charged with premeditated murder.
[ Rich]
So, the moral to this story would be, if you're going to booby-trap your
home, you should use some kind of live-trap? ;-)
Thanks Rich
[hanson]
No, no! Don't do that these days. There are many cases where the
homeowner got into deep legal shit because his dog had mauled the
burglar(s). Even obvious deterrents like barbed wire are problematic.
After our Precious Metal Div. got burglarized, (which was surrounded
by barbed wire) we intended to install razor wire. The City's safety folks
objected because elsewhere in town a burglar who got cut by the razors
while "on the job" did cost them $500'000 in legal fees & compensation
to the burglar turned victim... The city denied our permit application...
The goon got more money from/via his lawyer then he could have
from stealing and fencing... ahahaha... Hey, crime pays! ... AHHAHA...
ahahaha.. ahahanson

I can understand the decision of the Ukrainian court-- the homeowner
booby-trapped his bottle with intent to kill. It wasn't an accident, it
wasn't like he'd kept the methanol-filled bottle downstairs next to the
paint thinner.

But come on... there comes a point where the judge should just declare
razor wire to be one of the hazards of the job, that it's very easy to not
get cut by it if you'd just not try to break into places with metal
ribbons on the top of the fence, now get your sorry ass out of my
courtroom and get a job.
 
J

Jan Panteltje

On a sunny day (Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:38:42 GMT) it happened "hanson"
No, no! Don't do that these days. There are many cases where the
homeowner got into deep legal shit because his dog had mauled the
burglar(s). Even obvious deterrents like barbed wire are problematic.
After our Precious Metal Div. got burglarized, (which was surrounded
by barbed wire) we intended to install razor wire. The City's safety folks
objected because elsewhere in town a burglar who got cut by the razors
while "on the job" did cost them $500'000 in legal fees & compensation
to the burglar turned victim... The city denied our permit application...
The goon got more money from/via his lawyer then he could have
from stealing and fencing... ahahaha... Hey, crime pays! ... AHHAHA...
ahahaha.. ahahanson

Long time ago I this happened in a big service department for AV equipment:
The guys could not repair some video recoder one day.
One person joked: 'Why not put it in the window, maybe somebody will
steal it.'
It was put in the window, and stolen, the customer got a new one,
insurance must have payed, the burglar 4 sure never had a picture.
 
R

Rich Grise

On a sunny day (Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:38:42 GMT) it happened "hanson"


Long time ago I this happened in a big service department for AV equipment:
The guys could not repair some video recoder one day.
One person joked: 'Why not put it in the window, maybe somebody will
steal it.'
It was put in the window, and stolen, the customer got a new one,
insurance must have payed, the burglar 4 sure never had a picture.

I even heard a story, some years ago - you may have heard of the infamous
New York Garbage Strike, where garbage and trash were piling up on the
streets and so on - - some guy allegedly took the household trash each
day, put it in a box, wrapped it in wrapping paper, with a little bow,
drove to work, and left his box of garbage on the front seat of his
car, with the window open.

Sure enough, each and every day, somebody stole his garbage!

Cheers!
Rich
 
L

lannybudd

Rich said:
I even heard a story, some years ago - you may have heard of the infamous
New York Garbage Strike, where garbage and trash were piling up on the
streets and so on - - some guy allegedly took the household trash each
day, put it in a box, wrapped it in wrapping paper, with a little bow,
drove to work, and left his box of garbage on the front seat of his
car, with the window open.

Sure enough, each and every day, somebody stole his garbage!

Cheers!
Rich

http://www.snopes.com/crime/mootloot/garbage.htm
 
R

Rich Grise

.

Well, I _did_ say, "allegedly". :)

OK, how about the one where a couple of women go into some
upscale tavern and start stripping on the tables, doing
some girl-girl sex show, or whatever. When they finished
their dance, and everybody bought them a drink the
bartender noticed that somebody had cleaned out the
register while everybody was watching the girls. Actually,
my memory was jogged by the naked dice gal story.

But could it be true? The way I heard this one, it was
presented as credibly as the garbage gift story. Anybody
got actual facts? (actually, I tried to search snopes for
this one, and didn't really come up with much of anything.)

Thanks,
Rich
 
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