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George Herold

Wavy washers are neat, too. Compressive forces can be lower than Bellevilles,
and they are less likely to gouge the anodized surface.

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The Seastrom place I posted before has a nice selection of wavy and
Belleville wahsers.

George H.
 
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Jon Kirwan

The Dupont site has all sorts of 'stuff'.
http://www2.dupont.com/Kapton/en_US/products/index.html

(I bet you didn't know there were some many types of Kapton.)

I did know there was more variety than I cared to know about.
But no, I'm sure I don't know how many types of Kapton there
are!! Thanks for the link to look over!

I'm ordering a square sheet of Kaptan to screw down to the Al
heating plate for the 3D printer build surface, now. It comes
in large sheets, no glue. This one is costing me $8, I think.

Jon
 
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Jon Kirwan

Thanks John, I don't think I need the best, nor even the penultimate
thermal conductor. (The MSDS is a bit off putting for student use.)

The ultimate thermal conductor is amorphous diamond, I think.
I don't know what the penultimate one is, though. :)

Jon
 
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gregz

I think graphene is better

-Lasse

I was reading something about some carbon material several years ago when I
was fooling around with diamond dust. I was mixing diamond dust with
thermal paste or epoxy.

Greg
 
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Jon Kirwan


I should add that I'm not sure of the relationship between
the term thermal pyrolytic graphite (TPG) and amorphous
diamond, except that one may have more precision than the
other term. It's possible, given my ignorance, that TPG is a
form of amorphous diamond.

Maybe someone knows this stuff well. Would be interesting to
learn how the terms are applied by those working in these
fields.

Jon
 
I should add that I'm not sure of the relationship between
the term thermal pyrolytic graphite (TPG) and amorphous
diamond, except that one may have more precision than the
other term. It's possible, given my ignorance, that TPG is a
form of amorphous diamond.

Maybe someone knows this stuff well. Would be interesting to
learn how the terms are applied by those working in these
fields.

Jon

carbon is carbon it is all in the details ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Thermal_conductivity.svg

-Lasse
 
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George Herold

The ultimate thermal conductor is amorphous diamond, I think.
I don't know what the penultimate one is, though.  :)

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I was thinking that Beryllium oxide might be the penultimate.
(non-electrical conductor ).

George H.
 
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George Herold

There's been a design for a little transistor/diode temp. sensor
floating around in my head.

In one version, there'll be a direct ground connection.

I wanted to have an electrically floating version too.
I want to try a circuit on flex (kapton).
Using the kapton as the insulator looks like a good idea.
But the thermal conductivity 'stinks'. (~0.15 W/m-K)
So driving home tonight I was thinking about using
an Al2O3 washer instead.
"What's the thermal cond. I said to myself, 100, 50 W/m-K?"
Googleing Al2O3, thermal conductivity Coorstek, I found this,

http://www.coorstek.com/resource-library/library/8510-1042_ceramic_ma...
(I might have to print it out and pin it up.)

So for this application I need a 'decent' electrical insulator.
Which looks to rule out all the carbide's.
But what about the direct sintered SiC?

And then what about Aluminum and Silicon Nitrides?
Has any one used those?

I'm looking for a little thin insulating washer, that will go from
77K to 400K. (Maybe 500?).
A hole for a 2-56 screw.

George H.

So back to anodized aluminum.
Can I treat a 2 mil anodized layer like it's 2 mils of Al2O3?

(I may have to rethink the whole design...)

George H.
 
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Glen Walpert

Amorphous diamond is coal. ;-)

Not quite :). Diamond is carbon with 4 covalent bonds per atom (the
shortest and strongest chemical bonds known) with a nominal cubic
structure, graphite is carbon with 3 covalent bonds per atom and a
nominal hexagonal structure. Either of these materials can be found in
amorphous, polycrystalline of single crystal forms.

When thinking of amorphous materials like glass there is a tendency to
think of them as a distinct state of matter; but if you look close
enough, on the scale of a few atoms, you will see the same sort of bonds
as in crystalline forms of the same substance, but more strained on
average. If an amorphous material is heated near melting, the scale of
crystalline order will slowly grow from a few atoms in an ordered group
to large, distinct crystals; clearly polycrystalline, but there is no
distinct phase change involved, just a continuum of increasing scale of
order and decreasing average bond strain.

Neither amorphous nor polycrystalline properly describe coal, it is
somewhere in between, but it is almost entirely graphite type bonds
rather than diamond bonds. When the scale of order of these graphite
bonds is so small and randomly ordered that material properties are
essentially isotropic, the material is generally referred to as amorphous
carbon. Coal can vary widely in it's scale of order, from glass-like
through large graphite flakes. Most engineered carbon materials are
derived from petroleum or natural gas, not coal, due to the inconsistency
and high level of impurities found in coal.
 
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Bill Martin

What is it good for? It's not an electrical insulator. Adding any interface
layer, even solid diamond, still adds theta. A little silicone grease would be
better in most situations.

It might be OK for interfacing rough surfaces.
How about stealth aircraft models, that are actually "stealthy"? :) Not
sure about good for anything, but off the wall topic...
-bill
 
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George Herold

What is it good for?

Well instead of cutting ice cubes you could make a human heated ice
cream scoop.
:^)

Oh and you can float it on top of strong permanant magnets.

George H.

It's not an electrical insulator. Adding any interface
 
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