[Tempting offer] New product idea

[Sjouke Burry]

Hello. Friends.

I'm a electric engineer of Semiconductor and want to share

CUT
You must be a lousy spammer, and a krook too....

 

[Uwe Hercksen]

The concept of the device is that it checks one’s health condition daily such as blood pressure, heartbeat frequency and body temperature if we wear it as bracelet or watch. It has only alarm function with LED and sends the data to private smart phone or tablet PC daily. And then we could monitor and keep on eyes on our health condition daily.

Hello,

this is the wrong place to measure a correct body temperature.
The right place would be under the arm, in the mouth, in the ear.

Bye

 

[amdx]

Chuckle. I measure my BP in 4 different locations.
Home, my office, the doctors office, and the local CVS pharmacy.
Oddly, the numbers are just fine everywhere except at home, where they
tend to be on the high side. The difference is that I'm at about
1000ft elevation at home, while the others are at sea level. Omron
claims that it shouldn't happen, but I have 3 BP meters that all do
the same thing. I've done my own calibration by compressing a liquid
bladder. I can't testify for its absolute accuracy, but the relative
readings for all my various devices were fairly close.

During part of my testing I used the BP machine at the Sam's club,
then they brought in a new machine. Not good to change equipment in mid
test!

Would not your pressure bladder ALSO be affected by the the change in
elevation? Knowing your attention to detail, you probably calulated that
out

I got an Omron, this model,
http://www.walmart.com/ip/15715322?...1=g&wl2=&wl3=13223078590&wl4=&wl5=pla&veh=sem
about the same time my doc double my meds. That's when my ave increased.
Then had to question the Omron accuracy. Took it to my next doc
appointment and he compared it to his Mercury Sphygmomanometer,
he said it was good.

Here's a few years of my BP measurements.
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/blood-pressure-2005-2009.jpg>
The black lines are running averages, while the colored lines are the
original data. You need to have a fairly long history of BP readings
to get any kind of useful data. A few points here and there are
meaningless. Also, it's really difficult to see if things are getting
better in the short term, when the individual data points show -50% to
+50% excursions.


Exercise seems to be the only thing that works for me. I've juggled
my diet and experimented with beta blockers and ace inhibitors, but
exercise is what works best. I'm currently on beta blockers, which
doesn't really lower my BP, but does put an upper limit on how high it
can climb during exertion. This has become a problem with some of my
activities (diving and flying), but I'm otherwise unaffected as long
as I don't push too hard. Forget about low sodium diets:


Well, if you need some entertainment, try hyperventilation. Your BP
will drop like a rock. Keep going, and your BP will drop enough for
you to pass out. The best way is through "ohmmmmmming" during
meditation. All you're doing is removing most of the CO2 from your
blood, so that the heart thinks it doesn't have to work so hard and
slows down.

That's my point! If I "ohm" my blood pressure down to 110/70, so what,
if it is 140/85 when I'm watching Little house on the Prairie?
I'm thing the maybe this guy might have an idea with 24/7 BP
monitoring. Throw out some highs and lows, get an average and then
decide IF* it needs lowering, then make BP lowering attempts and see
what the ave does.
I think I'll go for a walk.
Mikek

* New numbers needed after monitoring a population 24/7, see who dies
from BP related problems, blah, blah, blah.

 

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Here's a few years of my BP measurements.
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/blood-pressure-2005-2009.jpg>
The black lines are running averages, while the colored lines are the
original data. You need to have a fairly long history of BP readings
to get any kind of useful data.

There seems to be kind of a pattern that repeats roughly every 29.5
days. Hmm.

Matt Roberds

 

[Robert Macy]

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check out a company [may not exist any longer] called Vivimetrics.

Their whole product line addressed EXACTLY the type function you're

describing. From memory, their product line was to help attending

physicians to monitor: simple ekg, pulse rate, blood pressure,

temperature, three degrees of motion [want to see how active the

patient is], breathing rate, lung volume, and optional oximeter

measurment. The portable device on the patient communicated wireless

to a home monitoring station that could then communicate via phone

line to dump info at physicians' office.  Also, if the portable

monitoring went out of range, it switched to GSM cell towers to keep

in touch, so 24/7 monitoring/linkage was possible. And of course

'alarm' conditions coud be set to check if any biomeasurement went out

of some set range.

Hello Robert.

Thanks for your reply.
I have to visit that site and need research it.

What do you think the function you mentioned merge with smart device suchas ipad, iphone? measuring value and transfer the data to smart device daily. And some apps make the graph or valuable form using a transfered data.

Writing aps for the 'smart phones' is the way to go. However, one must
be careful because the development process for making 'approved'
medical instrumentation goes through a lot of scrutiny. That said,
some enterprising ap writer wrote an 'aid to the blind' where the
phone views for the blind person and actually identifies what it sees.
No idea how effective, but contact your local blind assistance office
and they may be able to describe, or show you, the ap.

 

[amdx]

I would like to keep most of my medical records private. There is far
too many personal notes that would need to be edited out. You also
didn't specify why you want to see my records. I fail to see how it
will benefit either of us.

Please note that there are plenty of "personal health history"
programs and apps available for every known computer system. My
system is rather crude compared to these.

There's also nothing really thrilling about my records. It's a mix of
mostly spreadsheets and ascii text lists. The instruments used are
rather commonplace. Omron BP meter, Oxi-Go Pulse Oximeter, digital
bathroom scale, and Cholestrak HDL and Total cholesterol test kit. It
would be nice to automate all the data collection, but since I don't
record data every day, it's not really necessary.

You might be amused by this graph:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/psa.jpg>
It's a record of my prostate specific antogen test results versus
time. Think of each data point as $60. The large spike around Feb
2007 was caused by a kidney stone and can be ignored. Note the rising
trend in PSA results over time. It was obvious that I would need to
do something fast. When I presented this graph to my urologist, he
indicated that he didn't know what to do with it because none of his
patients ever kept track with such detail. So much for using
collected data to improve medical decisions.

LOL To bad it's not really funny.

In spreadsheet format, 5 years of data and graphs is about 100KBytes.
The entire 12 year collection, with notes, imbedded test results, and
notes is about 8MB, most of which are JPG's and PDF's of various
documents. However, if you include my copies of various medical
imaging results (xrays, CAT scans, MRI, blood test, etc), it fills
about 8 CD's.

Some might suggest you're the engineer type.
Have you figured out how to raise your HDL?

 

[Robert Macy]

..snips..
120/80 is the normal standard as you referred.
I think the device check BP all the time and separate the BP level at excitement condition and quiet condition. I think engineering skill and advanced technology is really needed.

wow, I'm 67 and mine's 110/70 I always thought it was too low. I do
have a problem when measuring real-time, because the brain starts
'fiddling' with the measurement, like in bio-feedback.

 

[Robert Macy]

Here's a finger cuff BP meter;
<http://www.amazon.com/Lumiscope-Finger-Blood-Pressure-Monitor/dp/B000...>
I tried one of these once and was not impressed.  I know what my BP
should be under various conditions and this finger thing didn't even
come close.  The wrist type BP meters were a little better, but still
inaccurate.  The upper arm and leg type pressure cuffs seem to work
best.

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Is that 'accuracy' ? Aren't these BP readings just as repeatable, just
different?

 

[amdx]

I've found that it's not the machine that causes variations. It's the
BP cuff. If you bring your own BP arm cuff and use it instead of
whatever they provide, you'll get more repeatable readings. I tried
this experiment on a variety of BP meters and it worked fairly well.


Nope. It's a muddle. At sea level, air pressure averages about
760mmHG. At 1000ft, it would be 733mm, a difference of 27mm, which is
about the error that I was seeing. Since the device apparently reads
relative pressure, I would have expected my BP readings to increase
with altitude. Instead, my BP went down with increasing altitude. I
should probably investigate further, but the stress would probably
raise my blood pressure. Perhaps I'm build backwards?
<http://www.livestrong.com/article/218859-the-effects-of-high-altitude-on-blood-pressure/>


I made some points with my GP when I supplied him with difficult to
find mercury for his instrument.


Again, think average BP. High blood pressure causes all kinds of wear
and tear on the internal organs and plumbing. It's all a question of
how long you can keep the BP down. A few short moments every day
doing meditation isn't going to help much.


Yep. That's roughly what I was doing with the graphs. However, you
don't need continuous monitoring to do that. Also, do NOT throw out
the radical excursions in BP. Before I had a triple bypass operation
in 2001, my BP showed a few such excursions. I thought it was a bad
BP meter, but it turned out to be a classic symptom of blocked
arteries.


I do about 2 miles per day during the week, and about 4 miles per day
on weekends. The basic idea is to keep the elevate the heart rate for
an extended period. Short bursts don't do anything useful. Elevate
the pulse rate and keep it there for as long as possible, which means
don't stop (although you can slow down a little), and do it regularly.
I don't know if it really does any good, but since I'm still alive 12
years later, I must be doing something right.


There are plenty of those studies available. Mostly, they're wrapped
around the long term effects of various overpriced drugs such as
statins. Bug me if you want horror stories and clues on how to filter
all the "information". One nice thing about experiencing a cardiac
event is most survivors will clean up their act with a lifestyle
change. The problem is that they usually use death as an indication
of failure, and rarely measure "quality of life". My concern is not
to live longer, but rather to not be miserable during my declining
years. I'm not sure that micro managing one's health with continuous
monitoring is the correct approach.

Ya, my doc once said, it wasn't such a concern how long I lived, just
that he keeps me healthy while I'm living.
I ended up with a couple of herniated disc 3 yrs ago. Sciatic pain,
back pain, even some depression related to it. My mental state for a
couple of those years was, if I can just work till I'm 60 Yrs old, I'll
retire then. I still have symptoms, But it is not on my mind from when I
wake up till I'm asleep, LIKE IT WAS. I've now stretched my retirement
thinking to 62 yrs old That's progress!! If the stock market
fumbles, I might be forced to 66yrs, 10 mo.
I'm starting to think, what do I want to do, when I don't need to
work. I need to start them now, so I don't just set around watching tv.
I have a college 2 miles from home, so if I road my bike to an
interesting class, I'd kill to birds with one stone. As I student I get
access to the pool. Hmm. Just thinkin.
Mikek