Telstra unveils "unlimited" wireless broadband for business (20.1Mbps)

[Don McKenzie]

Telstra unveils "unlimited" wireless broadband for business. (20.1Mbps)
Aug 30, 2010 2:30 PM

Telstra was targeting business buyers with a familiar consumer strategy by revealing an "unlimited" wireless broadband
deal today for fleet purchasers of its new Ultimate USB modems.

The newly released $299 Ultimate USB modem took advantage of a dual channel HSPA+ upgrade to the Next G network to offer
a maximum download speed of 20.1Mbps.

The dual-channel system had been installed in all major capitals and a number of regional centres, with Telstra
estimating that 50 percent of the Australian population had access to the upgraded network.

"We're achieving office-like speeds now in these remote locations," Telstra executive director enterprise and government
John Paitaridis said.


http://www.itnews.com.au/News/230465,telstra-unveils-unlimited-wireless-broadband-for-business.aspx

Cheers Don...

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[son of a bitch]

Big Whoop

I get a Maximum of 20 meg on my Land Line, but how many actually get any
where near 20 Meg?

I can Guarantee the Average Speed of the Wireless will also not be
anything like 20 meg. I reckon you'd be pushing to do 10 Meg.

 

[atec77]

Big Whoop

I get a Maximum of 20 meg on my Land Line, but how many actually get any
where near 20 Meg?

I can Guarantee the Average Speed of the Wireless will also not be
anything like 20 meg. I reckon you'd be pushing to do 10 Meg.

Do you have a basis for that claim apart from imaginative guesses ?
cite :?

 

[son of a bitch]

Do you have a basis for that claim apart from imaginative guesses ?
cite :?

Sure,

1. All Telco's Lie

2. Have tried existing 3G , 7.2 Nets from Unwired, PigBond, Three,
Virgin, Optus. All of these do live up to THEIR claims, not mine.
Their just Crap.

3. All Telco's Lie, Pigbond have even Lost Lawsuits regarding their
3G and 7.2 claims. And ACCC has even stuck it to PigBond for misleading
claims.

 

[son of a bitch]

Do you have a basis for that claim apart from imaginative guesses ?
cite :?

Sure,

1. All Telco's Lie

2. Have tried existing 3G , 7.2 Nets from Unwired, PigBond, Three,
Virgin, Optus. All of these do not live up to THEIR claims, not mine.
Their just Crap.

3. All Telco's Lie, Pigbond have even Lost Lawsuits regarding their
3G and 7.2 claims. And ACCC has even stuck it to PigBond for misleading
claims.

 

[keithr]

Do you have a basis for that claim apart from imaginative guesses ?
cite :?

Why do you think that the word "Peak" is always present when wireless
data rates are mentioned?

 

[son of a bitch]

Why do you think that the word "Peak" is always present when wireless
data rates are mentioned?

Peak, what a Joke

At the moment I'm fixing a Lap with a 3G Dongle.
Yesterday I was getting between 3-5 Meg, Right now I am
getting Zero. I am a fair way from the Tower with a Few Trees
in the way. It's about 300 Meters away.

 

[atec77]

Why do you think that the word "Peak" is always present when wireless
data rates are mentioned?

I know the actual reason do you ?
cite :

 

[atec77]

Sure,

very subject and as you often do a display of nfi
thanks for playing

 

[Amigo]

I know the actual reason do you ?
cite :

--

It's because as soon as more than 3 people start using the tower your speed
drops.

Data transport bandwidth will take second place to voice calls.

High speed wireless data takes more resources than voice, as resources are
devoted to voice (more connected calls) data rates slow.

 

[SG1]

Sure,

1. All Telco's Lie

2. Have tried existing 3G , 7.2 Nets from Unwired, PigBond, Three, Virgin,
Optus. All of these do live up to THEIR claims, not mine.
Their just Crap.

3. All Telco's Lie, Pigbond have even Lost Lawsuits regarding their
3G and 7.2 claims. And ACCC has even stuck it to PigBond for misleading
claims.

Don't let Roddles hear you say that.

 

[son of a bitch]

Don't let Roddles hear you say that.

'Member the Combi Van, cost PigPond 1 Million Bucks.

 

[keithr]

I know the actual reason do you ?
cite :

Since you are either too lazy or too incompetent to research the
subject, I suppose that I'll have to do it for you. Try this paper from
Motorola who, since they are trying to sell lot of cellular products,
are hardly likely to run the product down.

http://www.motorola.com/staticfiles...mance for Public Safety FINAL.pdf?localeId=33

Note the definitions of Physical Layer Peak Data Rate ("This is often
the throughput measure highlighted in media and marketing materials"),
Application Layer Peak Data Rate ("The application layer peak data rate
achieved here assumes there is only a single user on the network with
the best possible atmospheric conditions"), and Average Sector
Throughput ("Individual user throughput is often affected by a set of
conditions such as distance from site, number of concurrent users,
mobility, interference, indoor/outdoor coverage, tower heights, and the
types of devices being used on the network").

And then:-

"Peak data rate marketing has lead to a misaligned comparison of many
wireless broadband technologies, leaving agencies confused about the
actual performance of existing and future wireless broadband
technologies. As seen in this paper, the true performance of wireless
broadband network is reflected in more than just the peak data rate
number. In effect, this theoretical peak rate figure fails to give a
fair picture of what users are likely to experience when using the
technology in a real world situation.
Average sector throughput and edge rates offers a more realistic measure
of real life network capacity and likely user experience, hence giving
agencies a more accurate basis for planning future operations. The
quality of user experience is not only a factor of data rate but also
directly impacted by connection time and latency; for that reason LTE is
the first technology that will provide users with a true mobile
broadband experience."

If you can only get 2 bars on your cell phone or live in apartment land,
surrounded by hundreds of other users, peak data rates are pie in the
sky. Wireless does have it's place, if users are sparse and the terrain
is flat then it may well be the best solution, but 80% of users are
going to be disappointed if they believe the marketing bullshit about
the data rates that they can expect.

 

[keithr]

Since you are either too lazy or too incompetent to research the
subject, I suppose that I'll have to do it for you. Try this paper from
Motorola who, since they are trying to sell lot of cellular products,
are hardly likely to run the product down.

http://www.motorola.com/staticfiles...mance for Public Safety FINAL.pdf?localeId=33


Note the definitions of Physical Layer Peak Data Rate ("This is often
the throughput measure highlighted in media and marketing materials"),
Application Layer Peak Data Rate ("The application layer peak data rate
achieved here assumes there is only a single user on the network with
the best possible atmospheric conditions"), and Average Sector
Throughput ("Individual user throughput is often affected by a set of
conditions such as distance from site, number of concurrent users,
mobility, interference, indoor/outdoor coverage, tower heights, and the
types of devices being used on the network").

And then:-

"Peak data rate marketing has lead to a misaligned comparison of many
wireless broadband technologies, leaving agencies confused about the
actual performance of existing and future wireless broadband
technologies. As seen in this paper, the true performance of wireless
broadband network is reflected in more than just the peak data rate
number. In effect, this theoretical peak rate figure fails to give a
fair picture of what users are likely to experience when using the
technology in a real world situation.
Average sector throughput and edge rates offers a more realistic measure
of real life network capacity and likely user experience, hence giving
agencies a more accurate basis for planning future operations. The
quality of user experience is not only a factor of data rate but also
directly impacted by connection time and latency; for that reason LTE is
the first technology that will provide users with a true mobile
broadband experience."

If you can only get 2 bars on your cell phone or live in apartment land,
surrounded by hundreds of other users, peak data rates are pie in the
sky. Wireless does have it's place, if users are sparse and the terrain
is flat then it may well be the best solution, but 80% of users are
going to be disappointed if they believe the marketing bullshit about
the data rates that they can expect.

Here's another one from the same source, remember that Motorola is
trying to sell LTE, so they aren't going to slag it off. Look
particularly at fig 6, a few lucky people living near the tower may get
65Mbps or better, but the majority will be lucky to get half that even
without hills, blocks of flats or trees in the way

http://ap1.motorola.com/LTE_assets2/pdf/Realistic_LTE_Experience_WhitePaper.pdf

 

[Mr.T]

very subject and as you often do a display of nfi
thanks for playing

So just to be clear, are you claiming users WILL get *average* speeds close
to 20MbS? Or that users of the current 7.2 systems ever get close to those
speeds? I certainly have never heard of anyone who does, even for local
downloads. And the speed is usually moot for anywhere else.

MrT.

 

[atec77]

On 31/08/2010 11:00 AM, keithr wrote:
YHawn

 

[atec77]

So just to be clear, are you claiming users WILL get *average* speeds close
to 20MbS? Or that users of the current 7.2 systems ever get close to those
speeds? I certainly have never heard of anyone who does, even for local
downloads. And the speed is usually moot for anywhere else.

MrT.

The whole idea of the "speed is silly

I use a relatively slow link but the down load limit is large , whats
the point of arguing the theory when many have only a small 20 or 30 gig
download hence a small link will suffice

If the methodology in downloads and the connection is flawed in the
specific case mentioned no one has more than vague anecdotal evidence
and a lot of theory in this thread
as to claims
no I don't make specific claims atm

 

[keithr]

On 31/08/2010 11:00 AM, keithr wrote:
YHawn

Whats the matter son, don't like answers that contradict your views?

 

[Grant]

Whats the matter son, don't like answers that contradict your views?

Of course they don't. No logic. Shared spectrum and all that. Besides,
peak rates, unlimited rates, people start using it and all of a sudden
there's usage restrictions or "fair use" provisions and the available
bandwidth is used up.

I got unlimited ADSL account, the limit became 60GB "fair use", but the
ISP turfed out the larger users before that, simply refused their business.
An ISP is allowed to do that.

My peak usage was 40GB/Month, is usually half that, ISP and myself mostly
happy for over six years now.

So I think Telstra can say what they like until the new spectrum is full,
then turf the customers that spoil the illusion for others. Wireless is
good is the bush, not so good for dense urban. If it was so good, we'd
all give up the copper / optical network and use wireless. No?

Grant.