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|-|ercules

A'Beckett Ref: 2014858555
D&B Ref: 50106172
TIO Ref: 10/152131



Dear A'Beckett Lawyers,

The $1372.73 bill from Telstra has been disputed at the
Telecommunications Ombudsman office and you have no legal recourse to
demand payment.

The Telstra bill was originally for $210, this was 4 weeks after
signing up for an $85 per month iPhone plan with no upfront fee. This
is obviously breach of fair trading practice.

I have attached the correspondence to Telstra and TIO and for your
further information a copy of QUEENSLAND: Criminal Code Act 1899,
CHAPTER 33A-UNLAWFUL STALKING.

Repeated communications that cause apprehension is considered
stalking, and should Telstra, Dun and Bradstreet, or your legal firm
make any more demands for payment this email will be shown to court
that you have been formally instructed not to further harass me. This
increases your maximum jail term to 8 years should you continue in
this unwarranted manner.


Sincerely

Graham Cooper
BInfTech University Of Queensland 1991
Grad. Dip. Ed. (Secondary) Curtin University 2000




ATTACHMENT 1

13 QUEENSLAND: Criminal Code Act 1899, CHAPTER 33A-UNLAWFUL STALKING,
ss359A- 359FChapter 33a-Unlawful Stalking
Definitions for ch 33A359A. In this chapter-"circumstances" means the
following circumstances-
(a) the alleged stalker's circumstances;
(b) the circumstances of the stalked person known, foreseen or
reasonably foreseeable by thealleged stalker;
(c) the circumstances surrounding the unlawful stalking;
(d) any other relevant circumstances.
"detriment" includes the following-
(a) apprehension or fear of violence to, or against property of, the
stalked person or another person;
(b) serious mental, psychological or emotional harm;
(c) prevention or hindrance from doing an act a person is lawfully
entitled to do;
(d) compulsion to do an act a person is lawfully entitled to abstain from doing.

Examples of paragraph
(c)-A person no longer walks outside the person's place of residence
or employment. A person significantly changes the route or form
of transport the person would ordinarily use to travel to work or
other places. Example of paragraph
(d)-A person sells a property the person would not otherwise
sell."property", of a person, means-
(a) property in which the person has an interest,whether or not the
defendant also has aninterest in the property; or
(b) property that is otherwise:
(i)used and enjoyed by the person; or
(ii)available for the person's use or enjoyment; or
(iii) in the person's care or custody; or
(iv)at the premises at which the person is residing."stalked person"
see section 359B."unlawful stalking" see section 359B.
"violence"
(a) does not include any force or impact within the limits of what is
acceptable as incidentalto social interaction or to life in
the community; and
(b) against a person includes an act depriving a person of liberty; and
(c) against property includes an act of damaging, destroying,
removing, using or interfering with the property. ÿ
Page 14
14What is unlawful stalking
359B. "Unlawful stalking" is conduct:
(a) intentionally directed at a person (the "stalked person"); and
(b) engaged in on any 1 occasion if the conduct is protracted or on
more than 1 occasion; and
(c) consisting of 1 or more acts of the following, or a similar, type-
(i)following, loitering near, watching or approaching a person;
(ii)contacting a person in any way, including, for example, by
telephone, mail, fax,e-mail or through the use of any technology;
(iii) loitering near, watching, approaching or entering a place where
a person lives,works or visits;
(iv)leaving offensive material where it will be found by, given to or
brought to theattention of, a person;
(v)giving offensive material to a person, directly or indirectly;
(vi)an intimidating, harassing or threatening act against a person,
whether or notinvolving violence or a threat of violence;
(vii) an act of violence, or a threat of violence, against, or against
property of, anyone,including the defendant; and
(d) that-
(i)would cause the stalked person apprehension or fear, reasonably
arising in all thecircumstances, of violence to, or against
property of, the stalked person or anotherperson; or
(ii)causes detriment, reasonably arising in all the circumstances, to
the stalked personor another person.What is immaterial for
unlawful stalking359C.(1)
For section 359B(a), it is immaterial whether the person doing the
unlawful stalking-
(a) intends that the stalked person be aware the conduct is directed
at the stalked person; or
(b) has a mistaken belief about the identity of the person at whom the
conduct is intentionallydirected.
(2) For section 359B(a) and (c), it is immaterial whether the conduct
directed at the stalked personconsists of conduct carried out
in relation to another person or property of another person.
(3) For section 359B(b), it is immaterial whether the conduct
throughout the occasion on which theconduct is protracted, or the
conduct on each of a number of occasions, consists of the same
ordifferent acts.
(4) For section 359B(d), it is immaterial whether the person doing the
unlawful stalking intended tocause the apprehension or fear,
or the detriment, mentioned in the section.
(5) For section 359B(d)
(i), it is immaterial whether the apprehension or fear, or the
violence,mentioned in the section is actually caused.Particular
conduct that is not unlawful stalking359D. "Unlawful stalking" does
not include the following acts-
(a) acts done in the execution of a law or administration of an Act or
for a purpose authorisedby an Act;
(b) acts done for the purposes of a genuine industrial dispute;
(c) acts done for the purposes of a genuine political or other genuine
public dispute or issuecarried on in the public interest;
(d) reasonable conduct engaged in by a person for the person's lawful
trade, business oroccupation;
Page 15
15(e) reasonable conduct engaged in by a person to obtain or give
information that the personhas a legitimate interest in obtaining
or giving. ÿ Punishment of unlawful stalking359E.
(1) A person who unlawfully stalks another person is guilty of a crime.
(2) A person who commits the crime of unlawful stalking is liable to a
maximum penalty ofimprisonment for 5 years.
(3) However, a person is liable to a maximum penalty of imprisonment
for 7 years if, for any of theacts constituting the unlawful
stalking, the person-
(a) uses or intentionally threatens to use, violence against anyone or
anyone's property; or(b) possesses a weapon within the
meaning of the Weapons Act 1990; or
(c) contravenes or intentionally threatens to contravene an injunction
or order imposed ormade by a court or tribunal under a law of
the Commonwealth or a State.Court may restrain unlawful stalking359F.
(1) This section applies on the hearing before a court of a charge
against a person of unlawfulstalking.
(2) Whether the person is found guilty or not guilty or the
prosecution ends in another way, if thepresiding judge or magistrate
considers it desirable, the judge or magistrate may constitute the
courtto consider whether a restraining order should be made
against the person.
(3) The judge or magistrate may act under subsection
(2) on application by the Crown or aninterested person or on the
judge's or magistrate's own initiative.
(4) Also, if the restraining order proceeding is started before the
Supreme Court or the DistrictCourt, the court may order the
proceeding to be transferred to a Magistrates Court.



ATTACHMENT 2

BigPond Technical Support
Inbox Disputed bill at DNB (TIO 10/152131) [Incident: 101017-001026] -
BigPond BigPond swirl Thanks for contacting us. One of our consultants
will contact you within .
Oct 17

me, postmaster (3)
Inbox Disputed bill at DNB (TIO 10/152131) - . my complaint to TIO and
TELSTRA support a dozen times Telstra has ignored all my emails and .
Oct 16

me, Mail (2)
Inbox NOW TELSTRA IS SENDING ME BILLS FOR PHONE NUMBERS I DON'T OWN -
.. misc.legal CC:tio.com.au,[email protected],[email protected],[email protected]
Dear Telstra, you keep sending me a bill for a phone number that is
not mine. 0400 710177 .
Aug 19

TIO Investigations Team
Inbox Thank you for your e-mail - . Telecommunications Industry
Ombudsman (TIO). We will contact you within five to seven working
days. If you require more immediate assistance, you may wish to call
us on .
Aug 19

TIO Investigations Team
Inbox Thank you for your e-mail - . Telecommunications Industry
Ombudsman (TIO). We will contact you within five to seven working
days. If you require more immediate assistance, you may wish to call
us on .
Aug 6

TIO, me (2)
Inbox TIO reference number 10/152131 - . Telecommunications Industry
Ombudsman (TIO) received on 05 July 2010 in relation to TIO reference
number 10/152131. As previously advised, the TIO handles complaints .
Aug 6

Unresolved, me (2)
Inbox TIO Reference Update 10/152131 [#8386R] - Dear Mr Cooper TIO
Reference: 10/152131 Thank you for your email to the
Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman (TIO) on 3 August 2010. Please
disregard my previous email .
Aug 4

Unresolved, me (2)
Inbox TIO Reference 10/152131 [#8386R] - . Telecommunications Industry
Ombudsman (TIO) on 3 August 2010. The TIO reference number for your
complaint is 10/152131 What to do about your complaint .
Aug 4

Unresolved, me (2)
Inbox RE: TIO Online Complaint Update Confirmation - 10/152131
[#805FH] - Dear Mr Cooper TIO reference: 10/152131 I refer to your
email dated 31 July 2010 The Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman
(TIO) is not able to assist you at this stage .
Aug 3

Unresolved Email
Inbox TIO Reference: [#8370K] - . Telecommunications Industry
Ombudsman (TIO) on 31 July 2010. The TIO reference number for your
complaint is 10/152131. You have told us that you have a complaint
with .
Aug 3

me, postmaster (2)
Inbox How about TELSTRA? NOTHING UP FRONT ----- PAY DOUBLE LATER!! -
NEWSGROUPS:aus.tv,aus.politics,aus.cars,aus.computers,aus.electronics,aus.general,aus.media-watch,aus.legal
How can $85 per month mean $85 per month TALLIED? $85 per month .
Aug 1

TIO
Inbox Thank you for your email - . Telecommunications Industry
Ombudsman (TIO). Due to the large number of emails we receive every
day we cannot respond immediately, however, we will contact you within
two .
Aug 1

CosMoS
Inbox TIO Online Complaint Update Confirmation - . Telecommunication
Industry Ombudsman (TIO) receives every day, we cannot respond
immediately. However, we will contact you within the next 5 working
days. If you require .
Jul 31

TIO Email
Inbox TIO reference 10/152131 [#547EJ] - Dear Mr Cooper TIO Reference
Number: 10/152131 Thank you for the copy of your email to Telstra,
sent to the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman (TIO) on 28 June
2010. I .
Jun 28

TIO
Inbox Thank you for your email - . Telecommunications Industry
Ombudsman (TIO). Due to the large number of emails we receive every
day we cannot respond immediately, however, we will contact you within
two .
Jun 27




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S

Sylvia Else

A'Beckett Ref: 2014858555
D&B Ref: 50106172
TIO Ref: 10/152131



Dear A'Beckett Lawyers,

The $1372.73 bill from Telstra has been disputed at the
Telecommunications Ombudsman office and you have no legal recourse to
demand payment.

The Telstra bill was originally for $210, this was 4 weeks after
signing up for an $85 per month iPhone plan with no upfront fee. This
is obviously breach of fair trading practice.

I have attached the correspondence to Telstra and TIO and for your
further information a copy of QUEENSLAND: Criminal Code Act 1899,
CHAPTER 33A-UNLAWFUL STALKING.

Repeated communications that cause apprehension is considered
stalking, and should Telstra, Dun and Bradstreet, or your legal firm
make any more demands for payment this email will be shown to court
that you have been formally instructed not to further harass me. This
increases your maximum jail term to 8 years should you continue in
this unwarranted manner.


Sincerely

Graham Cooper
BInfTech University Of Queensland 1991
Grad. Dip. Ed. (Secondary) Curtin University 2000
There's really no point in making such claims. It just serves to make
the other side think they're dealing with a nutter.

Just advise them, politely, that you dispute the claim, and that they're
wasting their time by writing letters to you. Invite them to start
proceedings in court if they consider their claim to be a valid one.

Alternatively, you can apply to the QCAT for an order that you do not
owe the money to Telstra.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/qcaata2009428/s13.html

(2)(a)(ii) an order that a stated amount is not due or owing by the
applicant to a stated person, or by any party to the proceeding to the
applicant[.]

Did you advise Telstra, in writing, before the due date, that you
disputed the amount being charged, or your liability for it, providing
enough information for Telstra to identity the bill being disputed?

Did Telstra respond in way that objectively satifies the query? Note, it
doesn't have to satisfy *you*, so you yourself might have difficulty
forming a judgement about this.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/ca198774/s63.html

You really seem to make a rod for your own back in these situations. You
post to aus.legal. If you asked immediately on receiving a disputed bill
what you should do about it, you'd likely get some help.

Sylvia.
 
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|-|ercules

Sylvia Else said:
A'Beckett Ref: 2014858555
D&B Ref: 50106172
TIO Ref: 10/152131



Dear A'Beckett Lawyers,

The $1372.73 bill from Telstra has been disputed at the
Telecommunications Ombudsman office and you have no legal recourse to
demand payment.

The Telstra bill was originally for $210, this was 4 weeks after
signing up for an $85 per month iPhone plan with no upfront fee. This
is obviously breach of fair trading practice.

I have attached the correspondence to Telstra and TIO and for your
further information a copy of QUEENSLAND: Criminal Code Act 1899,
CHAPTER 33A-UNLAWFUL STALKING.

Repeated communications that cause apprehension is considered
stalking, and should Telstra, Dun and Bradstreet, or your legal firm
make any more demands for payment this email will be shown to court
that you have been formally instructed not to further harass me. This
increases your maximum jail term to 8 years should you continue in
this unwarranted manner.


Sincerely

Graham Cooper
BInfTech University Of Queensland 1991
Grad. Dip. Ed. (Secondary) Curtin University 2000
There's really no point in making such claims. It just serves to make the other side think they're dealing with a nutter.

Just advise them, politely, that you dispute the claim, and that they're wasting their time by writing letters to you. Invite them
to start proceedings in court if they consider their claim to be a valid one.

Alternatively, you can apply to the QCAT for an order that you do not owe the money to Telstra.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/qcaata2009428/s13.html

(2)(a)(ii) an order that a stated amount is not due or owing by the applicant to a stated person, or by any party to the
proceeding to the applicant[.]

Did you advise Telstra, in writing, before the due date, that you disputed the amount being charged, or your liability for it,
providing enough information for Telstra to identity the bill being disputed?

Did Telstra respond in way that objectively satifies the query? Note, it doesn't have to satisfy *you*, so you yourself might have
difficulty forming a judgement about this.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/ca198774/s63.html

You really seem to make a rod for your own back in these situations. You post to aus.legal. If you asked immediately on receiving
a disputed bill what you should do about it, you'd likely get some help.

Sylvia.


I went to the Telectommunications Ombudsman.

They are a bit lax at keeping tabs on Telstra, so further notice is required.

I've told them politely a dozen times, now they are threatening me with court and legal costs etc.
so I fricking will charge them with stalking if they continue demanding payment against the law.


Herc
 
S

Sunny

Sylvia Else said:
There's really no point in making such claims. It just serves to make
the other side think they're dealing with a nutter.

He is a nutter, I am still at a loss to find any sane reason why anyone
would bother talking to the clown, unless it was just out of idle
curiosity.

<snip>
 
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|-|ercules

Sunny said:
He is a nutter, I am still at a loss to find any sane reason why anyone would bother talking to the clown, unless it was just out
of idle curiosity.

<snip>


I took up numerous skeptics prize challenges and put my paranormal claims
on the table and they renegged and refuse to do a simple psychic test- as a result
for 10 years people like you abuse me for claiming psyhic powers.

I had no idea 90% of people on usenet detested claimed psychics and actively
sought them out to verbally assault them, some skeptic abusers do it throughout
the day. The other 10% won't speak up for fear of persecution from the skeptics.

Herc
 
S

Sylvia Else

Sylvia Else said:
A'Beckett Ref: 2014858555
D&B Ref: 50106172
TIO Ref: 10/152131



Dear A'Beckett Lawyers,

The $1372.73 bill from Telstra has been disputed at the
Telecommunications Ombudsman office and you have no legal recourse to
demand payment.

The Telstra bill was originally for $210, this was 4 weeks after
signing up for an $85 per month iPhone plan with no upfront fee. This
is obviously breach of fair trading practice.

I have attached the correspondence to Telstra and TIO and for your
further information a copy of QUEENSLAND: Criminal Code Act 1899,
CHAPTER 33A-UNLAWFUL STALKING.

Repeated communications that cause apprehension is considered
stalking, and should Telstra, Dun and Bradstreet, or your legal firm
make any more demands for payment this email will be shown to court
that you have been formally instructed not to further harass me. This
increases your maximum jail term to 8 years should you continue in
this unwarranted manner.


Sincerely

Graham Cooper
BInfTech University Of Queensland 1991
Grad. Dip. Ed. (Secondary) Curtin University 2000
There's really no point in making such claims. It just serves to make the other side think they're dealing with a nutter.

Just advise them, politely, that you dispute the claim, and that they're wasting their time by writing letters to you. Invite them
to start proceedings in court if they consider their claim to be a valid one.

Alternatively, you can apply to the QCAT for an order that you do not owe the money to Telstra.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/qcaata2009428/s13.html

(2)(a)(ii) an order that a stated amount is not due or owing by the applicant to a stated person, or by any party to the
proceeding to the applicant[.]

Did you advise Telstra, in writing, before the due date, that you disputed the amount being charged, or your liability for it,
providing enough information for Telstra to identity the bill being disputed?

Did Telstra respond in way that objectively satifies the query? Note, it doesn't have to satisfy *you*, so you yourself might have
difficulty forming a judgement about this.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/ca198774/s63.html

You really seem to make a rod for your own back in these situations. You post to aus.legal. If you asked immediately on receiving
a disputed bill what you should do about it, you'd likely get some help.

Sylvia.


I went to the Telectommunications Ombudsman.

Telling the Ombudsman is not telling Telstra, and it's not the function
of the Ombudsman to keep tabs on Telstra. They are not a regulator, and
in indeed are only an industry body.

What was the content of the *first* thing you wrote to *Telstra* about
this"?

Did they reply? If so, what did they say?
They are a bit lax at keeping tabs on Telstra, so further notice is required.

I've told them politely a dozen times, now they are threatening me with court and legal costs etc.
so I fricking will charge them with stalking if they continue demanding payment against the law.

Anyone who believes on reasonable grounds that they are owed a debt is
entitled to demand payment of it, and to threaten litigation if the debt
is not paid. The grounds may ultimate prove to be invalid, but that
doesn't change things as far as the legality of threatening litigation.

Sylvia.
 
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|-|ercules

Sylvia Else said:
Sylvia Else said:
On 20/10/2010 10:26 AM, |-|ercules wrote:
A'Beckett Ref: 2014858555
D&B Ref: 50106172
TIO Ref: 10/152131



Dear A'Beckett Lawyers,

The $1372.73 bill from Telstra has been disputed at the
Telecommunications Ombudsman office and you have no legal recourse to
demand payment.

The Telstra bill was originally for $210, this was 4 weeks after
signing up for an $85 per month iPhone plan with no upfront fee. This
is obviously breach of fair trading practice.

I have attached the correspondence to Telstra and TIO and for your
further information a copy of QUEENSLAND: Criminal Code Act 1899,
CHAPTER 33A-UNLAWFUL STALKING.

Repeated communications that cause apprehension is considered
stalking, and should Telstra, Dun and Bradstreet, or your legal firm
make any more demands for payment this email will be shown to court
that you have been formally instructed not to further harass me. This
increases your maximum jail term to 8 years should you continue in
this unwarranted manner.


Sincerely

Graham Cooper
BInfTech University Of Queensland 1991
Grad. Dip. Ed. (Secondary) Curtin University 2000


There's really no point in making such claims. It just serves to make the other side think they're dealing with a nutter.

Just advise them, politely, that you dispute the claim, and that they're wasting their time by writing letters to you. Invite
them
to start proceedings in court if they consider their claim to be a valid one.

Alternatively, you can apply to the QCAT for an order that you do not owe the money to Telstra.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/qcaata2009428/s13.html

(2)(a)(ii) an order that a stated amount is not due or owing by the applicant to a stated person, or by any party to the
proceeding to the applicant[.]

Did you advise Telstra, in writing, before the due date, that you disputed the amount being charged, or your liability for it,
providing enough information for Telstra to identity the bill being disputed?

Did Telstra respond in way that objectively satifies the query? Note, it doesn't have to satisfy *you*, so you yourself might
have
difficulty forming a judgement about this.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/ca198774/s63.html

You really seem to make a rod for your own back in these situations. You post to aus.legal. If you asked immediately on
receiving
a disputed bill what you should do about it, you'd likely get some help.

Sylvia.


I went to the Telectommunications Ombudsman.

Telling the Ombudsman is not telling Telstra, and it's not the function of the Ombudsman to keep tabs on Telstra. They are not a
regulator, and in indeed are only an industry body.

What was the content of the *first* thing you wrote to *Telstra* about this"?

Did they reply? If so, what did they say?
They are a bit lax at keeping tabs on Telstra, so further notice is required.

I've told them politely a dozen times, now they are threatening me with court and legal costs etc.
so I fricking will charge them with stalking if they continue demanding payment against the law.

Anyone who believes on reasonable grounds that they are owed a debt is entitled to demand payment of it, and to threaten
litigation if the debt is not paid. The grounds may ultimate prove to be invalid, but that doesn't change things as far as the
legality of threatening litigation.

Sylvia.


YOU ARE A STUPID BITCH.

LOOK AT THE DOZENS OF EMAILS TO TELSTRA, TIO & D&B

Herc
 
S

Sylvia Else

Sylvia Else said:
On 20/10/2010 10:26 AM, |-|ercules wrote:
A'Beckett Ref: 2014858555
D&B Ref: 50106172
TIO Ref: 10/152131



Dear A'Beckett Lawyers,

The $1372.73 bill from Telstra has been disputed at the
Telecommunications Ombudsman office and you have no legal recourse to
demand payment.

The Telstra bill was originally for $210, this was 4 weeks after
signing up for an $85 per month iPhone plan with no upfront fee. This
is obviously breach of fair trading practice.

I have attached the correspondence to Telstra and TIO and for your
further information a copy of QUEENSLAND: Criminal Code Act 1899,
CHAPTER 33A-UNLAWFUL STALKING.

Repeated communications that cause apprehension is considered
stalking, and should Telstra, Dun and Bradstreet, or your legal firm
make any more demands for payment this email will be shown to court
that you have been formally instructed not to further harass me. This
increases your maximum jail term to 8 years should you continue in
this unwarranted manner.


Sincerely

Graham Cooper
BInfTech University Of Queensland 1991
Grad. Dip. Ed. (Secondary) Curtin University 2000


There's really no point in making such claims. It just serves to make the other side think they're dealing with a nutter.

Just advise them, politely, that you dispute the claim, and that they're wasting their time by writing letters to you. Invite
them
to start proceedings in court if they consider their claim to be a valid one.

Alternatively, you can apply to the QCAT for an order that you do not owe the money to Telstra.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/qcaata2009428/s13.html

(2)(a)(ii) an order that a stated amount is not due or owing by the applicant to a stated person, or by any party to the
proceeding to the applicant[.]

Did you advise Telstra, in writing, before the due date, that you disputed the amount being charged, or your liability for it,
providing enough information for Telstra to identity the bill being disputed?

Did Telstra respond in way that objectively satifies the query? Note, it doesn't have to satisfy *you*, so you yourself might
have
difficulty forming a judgement about this.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/ca198774/s63.html

You really seem to make a rod for your own back in these situations. You post to aus.legal. If you asked immediately on
receiving
a disputed bill what you should do about it, you'd likely get some help.

Sylvia.


I went to the Telectommunications Ombudsman.

Telling the Ombudsman is not telling Telstra, and it's not the function of the Ombudsman to keep tabs on Telstra. They are not a
regulator, and in indeed are only an industry body.

What was the content of the *first* thing you wrote to *Telstra* about this"?

Did they reply? If so, what did they say?
They are a bit lax at keeping tabs on Telstra, so further notice is required.

I've told them politely a dozen times, now they are threatening me with court and legal costs etc.
so I fricking will charge them with stalking if they continue demanding payment against the law.

Anyone who believes on reasonable grounds that they are owed a debt is entitled to demand payment of it, and to threaten
litigation if the debt is not paid. The grounds may ultimate prove to be invalid, but that doesn't change things as far as the
legality of threatening litigation.

Sylvia.


YOU ARE A STUPID BITCH.

LOOK AT THE DOZENS OF EMAILS TO TELSTRA, TIO& D&B

I see lots of email headings, mostly to or from the TIO. There is no
content, so the significance impossible to judge. Lately there's one to
Telstra technical support, which seems a strange place to send an email
about a billing dispute.

It isn't even clear to me whether you have a dispute about a single
account, multiple disputes about single account, or disputes about
multiple accounts.

What I asked was, what was the content of the first thing you wrote to
Telstra in connection with your dispute?

Sylvia.
 
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|-|ercules

Sylvia Else said:
Sylvia Else said:
On 20/10/2010 11:06 AM, |-|ercules wrote:
On 20/10/2010 10:26 AM, |-|ercules wrote:
A'Beckett Ref: 2014858555
D&B Ref: 50106172
TIO Ref: 10/152131



Dear A'Beckett Lawyers,

The $1372.73 bill from Telstra has been disputed at the
Telecommunications Ombudsman office and you have no legal recourse to
demand payment.

The Telstra bill was originally for $210, this was 4 weeks after
signing up for an $85 per month iPhone plan with no upfront fee. This
is obviously breach of fair trading practice.

I have attached the correspondence to Telstra and TIO and for your
further information a copy of QUEENSLAND: Criminal Code Act 1899,
CHAPTER 33A-UNLAWFUL STALKING.

Repeated communications that cause apprehension is considered
stalking, and should Telstra, Dun and Bradstreet, or your legal firm
make any more demands for payment this email will be shown to court
that you have been formally instructed not to further harass me. This
increases your maximum jail term to 8 years should you continue in
this unwarranted manner.


Sincerely

Graham Cooper
BInfTech University Of Queensland 1991
Grad. Dip. Ed. (Secondary) Curtin University 2000


There's really no point in making such claims. It just serves to make the other side think they're dealing with a nutter.

Just advise them, politely, that you dispute the claim, and that they're wasting their time by writing letters to you. Invite
them
to start proceedings in court if they consider their claim to be a valid one.

Alternatively, you can apply to the QCAT for an order that you do not owe the money to Telstra.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/qcaata2009428/s13.html

(2)(a)(ii) an order that a stated amount is not due or owing by the applicant to a stated person, or by any party to the
proceeding to the applicant[.]

Did you advise Telstra, in writing, before the due date, that you disputed the amount being charged, or your liability for it,
providing enough information for Telstra to identity the bill being disputed?

Did Telstra respond in way that objectively satifies the query? Note, it doesn't have to satisfy *you*, so you yourself might
have
difficulty forming a judgement about this.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/ca198774/s63.html

You really seem to make a rod for your own back in these situations. You post to aus.legal. If you asked immediately on
receiving
a disputed bill what you should do about it, you'd likely get some help.

Sylvia.


I went to the Telectommunications Ombudsman.

Telling the Ombudsman is not telling Telstra, and it's not the function of the Ombudsman to keep tabs on Telstra. They are not a
regulator, and in indeed are only an industry body.

What was the content of the *first* thing you wrote to *Telstra* about this"?

Did they reply? If so, what did they say?

They are a bit lax at keeping tabs on Telstra, so further notice is required.

I've told them politely a dozen times, now they are threatening me with court and legal costs etc.
so I fricking will charge them with stalking if they continue demanding payment against the law.

Anyone who believes on reasonable grounds that they are owed a debt is entitled to demand payment of it, and to threaten
litigation if the debt is not paid. The grounds may ultimate prove to be invalid, but that doesn't change things as far as the
legality of threatening litigation.

Sylvia.


YOU ARE A STUPID BITCH.

LOOK AT THE DOZENS OF EMAILS TO TELSTRA, TIO& D&B

I see lots of email headings, mostly to or from the TIO. There is no content, so the significance impossible to judge. Lately
there's one to Telstra technical support, which seems a strange place to send an email about a billing dispute.

It isn't even clear to me whether you have a dispute about a single account, multiple disputes about single account, or disputes
about multiple accounts.

What I asked was, what was the content of the first thing you wrote to Telstra in connection with your dispute?

Sylvia.


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I refuse to pay a bill over $200 for an $85 per month account with no up front fee.


Graham Cooper
 
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Sylvia Else

Sylvia Else said:
On 20/10/2010 11:06 AM, |-|ercules wrote:
On 20/10/2010 10:26 AM, |-|ercules wrote:
A'Beckett Ref: 2014858555
D&B Ref: 50106172
TIO Ref: 10/152131



Dear A'Beckett Lawyers,

The $1372.73 bill from Telstra has been disputed at the
Telecommunications Ombudsman office and you have no legal recourse to
demand payment.

The Telstra bill was originally for $210, this was 4 weeks after
signing up for an $85 per month iPhone plan with no upfront fee. This
is obviously breach of fair trading practice.

I have attached the correspondence to Telstra and TIO and for your
further information a copy of QUEENSLAND: Criminal Code Act 1899,
CHAPTER 33A-UNLAWFUL STALKING.

Repeated communications that cause apprehension is considered
stalking, and should Telstra, Dun and Bradstreet, or your legal firm
make any more demands for payment this email will be shown to court
that you have been formally instructed not to further harass me. This
increases your maximum jail term to 8 years should you continue in
this unwarranted manner.


Sincerely

Graham Cooper
BInfTech University Of Queensland 1991
Grad. Dip. Ed. (Secondary) Curtin University 2000


There's really no point in making such claims. It just serves to make the other side think they're dealing with a nutter.

Just advise them, politely, that you dispute the claim, and that they're wasting their time by writing letters to you. Invite
them
to start proceedings in court if they consider their claim to be a valid one.

Alternatively, you can apply to the QCAT for an order that you do not owe the money to Telstra.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/qcaata2009428/s13.html

(2)(a)(ii) an order that a stated amount is not due or owing by the applicant to a stated person, or by any party to the
proceeding to the applicant[.]

Did you advise Telstra, in writing, before the due date, that you disputed the amount being charged, or your liability for it,
providing enough information for Telstra to identity the bill being disputed?

Did Telstra respond in way that objectively satifies the query? Note, it doesn't have to satisfy *you*, so you yourself might
have
difficulty forming a judgement about this.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/ca198774/s63.html

You really seem to make a rod for your own back in these situations. You post to aus.legal. If you asked immediately on
receiving
a disputed bill what you should do about it, you'd likely get some help.

Sylvia.


I went to the Telectommunications Ombudsman.

Telling the Ombudsman is not telling Telstra, and it's not the function of the Ombudsman to keep tabs on Telstra. They are not a
regulator, and in indeed are only an industry body.

What was the content of the *first* thing you wrote to *Telstra* about this"?

Did they reply? If so, what did they say?

They are a bit lax at keeping tabs on Telstra, so further notice is required.

I've told them politely a dozen times, now they are threatening me with court and legal costs etc.
so I fricking will charge them with stalking if they continue demanding payment against the law.

Anyone who believes on reasonable grounds that they are owed a debt is entitled to demand payment of it, and to threaten
litigation if the debt is not paid. The grounds may ultimate prove to be invalid, but that doesn't change things as far as the
legality of threatening litigation.

Sylvia.


YOU ARE A STUPID BITCH.

LOOK AT THE DOZENS OF EMAILS TO TELSTRA, TIO& D&B

I see lots of email headings, mostly to or from the TIO. There is no content, so the significance impossible to judge. Lately
there's one to Telstra technical support, which seems a strange place to send an email about a billing dispute.

It isn't even clear to me whether you have a dispute about a single account, multiple disputes about single account, or disputes
about multiple accounts.

What I asked was, what was the content of the first thing you wrote to Telstra in connection with your dispute?

Sylvia.


To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
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I refuse to pay a bill over $200 for an $85 per month account with no up front fee.


Graham Cooper

I appreciate that you don't want to post it here, but did you at least
enough detail to identify the bill that you were refusing to pay?

Sylvia.
 
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|-|ercules

|-|ercules said:
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I refuse to pay a bill over $200 for an $85 per month account with no up front fee.


Graham Cooper


----------------------------TIO-------------------------------
I have forwarded a summary of your complaint to a resolution department within Telstra Corporation

on your behalf. I have asked it to contact you via email.

Mr Francis Arnold
Enquiry Officer
Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman



Telstra never responded.

Herc
 
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|-|ercules

Sylvia Else said:
I appreciate that you don't want to post it here, but did you at least enough detail to identify the bill that you were refusing
to pay?

Sylvia.


My iPhone number was in the subject.


Herc
 
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|-|ercules

Sylvia Else said:
Removed all execept aus.legal and aus.tv. Subsequently I'll remove all except aus.legal.

OK, so this is a complaint about your iPhone bill, and you provided your iPhone number in a complaint whose essence was that you
were disputing the bill because, when the billing period and account conditions are considered, it is not possible to reach a
total of $200.

You sent a complaint to that effect to Telstra's support email address, and to the TIO. The TIO apparently further forwarded it to
Telstra.

Telstra have not responded.

Provided you sent this before the bill was due, you fulfilled the conditions of

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/ca198774/s63.html

63(1)(a) thru (c), and Telstra fulfilled condition (d).

Accordingly the entirety of subsection (1) applies, and Telstra has no right of action until and unless Telstra takes action to
satisfy your query.

Instead of ranting to them about stalking, you should point the above out to the lawyers who are pestering you.


Useful cite but TIO have already stated they cannot charge for a disputed amount.

This is a collections lawyer specialising with Telstra we're talking about.




What was the first thing you wrote to Telstra regarding billing you for a number you don't own?

I'm not worried about $70.

Anyway, blackberry pisses on iPhone and cost 1/100th the price.
http://dicksmith.com.au/product/E6735/grlmobile-txtribe-silver-pre-paid-mobile-phone

Herc
 
S

Sylvia Else

Useful cite but TIO have already stated they cannot charge for a disputed amount.

This is a collections lawyer specialising with Telstra we're talking about.

I realise that. Indeed, they've probably a debt collector who's had the
debt assigned to them. But telstra can't assign rights that they don't
themselves have.

Your problem is not to frighten them off, but to make them realise that
they're wasting their time chasing you, and will be wasting more if they
take you to court because as things stand, they can't possibly win.

Sylvia.
 
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|-|ercules

Sylvia Else said:
I realise that. Indeed, they've probably a debt collector who's had the debt assigned to them. But telstra can't assign rights
that they don't themselves have.

Your problem is not to frighten them off, but to make them realise that they're wasting their time chasing you, and will be
wasting more if they take you to court because as things stand, they can't possibly win.

Sylvia.


They don't take notice, it's TELSTRA Vs NONPAYER in their eyes.

Herc
 
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Peter Bowditch

|-|ercules said:
Repeated communications that cause apprehension is considered
stalking, and should Telstra, Dun and Bradstreet, or your legal firm
make any more demands for payment this email will be shown to court
that you have been formally instructed not to further harass me. This
increases your maximum jail term to 8 years should you continue in
this unwarranted manner.

I asked you not to email me, Herc. There were at least three emails
from you in my inbox today. Perhaps you should read the quoted
paragraph aloud to yourself.

--
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The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
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To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
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|-|ercules

Peter Bowditch said:
I asked you not to email me, Herc. There were at least three emails
from you in my inbox today. Perhaps you should read the quoted
paragraph aloud to yourself.

not from me.


You used police to tell me not to contact you over the line
"you better hope I'm not Genesis Adam"

then you kept posting to me.

You replied to 50 of my posts in the last 30 days and 5 in the last 24 hours
so you can hardly accuse me of stalking you.


Herc
 
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