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Survey: Alarm System Essentials

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Bossman

I hope this doesn't get posted twice. If so, my apoligies. This is the
complete post, the other disappeared in mid-keystroke.

In an ongoing thread, the relative value of monitoring is being
debated. I thought it would be interesting to see the relative value
each of us put on the devices and services we offer our customers.
What I generally do, using industry statistics and experience, is
imagine that if the home were broken into 100 times by 100 different
individuals, what additions or changes to the system would have 1)
detected the intrusion and 2) ensured police response. I try to play
the percentages, taking into consideration that personal protection
comes first, and property protection comes second. Making a profit,
while important, comes third. If items 1, 2 and 3 above are even, I
consider the difficulty of installation.

Assuming an existing system in a one story, 2000-3000 sq.ft. home,
which already includes only a panel, one keypad and one interior
siren, I'm going to list the devices and services I would provide in
order of decreasing importance. Also, to keep it simple, let's stick
to security for now...no smoke or CO detectors. I think it will be
interesting to get everyone's input.

1) Motion sensor in the highest trafficed, most critical area that can
be armed both day and night.

2) 24 hour monitoring.

3) All perimeter doors.

4) Contacts with built in glassbreak in any child's room.

5) Second motion sensor in master bedroom.

6) Wireless phone backup (I use Uplink).

7) Toss-up here...either all remaining windows contacted or a third
motion.

8) Whichever ever I didn't do in #7, motion or remaining windows
contacted.

9) Wireless panic buttons in the form of keyfobs.

10) Additional keypad in master bedroom.

11) Exterior strobe light (I like the red flashing kind)

12) Second, exterior mounted, siren.

13) Third keypad at front entrance.

Bossman
 
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Nathaniel Lind \(New\)

My sister who lives in Stockton, Ca. has a Bay AlarmT system which has most
outer windows and all perimeter doors are alarmed, as well as a motion for
the interior stairway which also picks up the front door. Up until about
2000 they had it 24H. monitored, but since then cancelled that. The keypad
is mounted next to the garage entrance, and there is a bellbox w/Strobe
outside (instead of a siren)
 
B

Bossman

Total perimeter protection would be number one on our list..
What do you consider total perimeter protection? Does this include
glass breaks in every room? Without a glassbreak, a window contact is
extremely easy to defeat. Even with a glassbreak, a savy crook can get
through the glass without breaking or opening it. I might add that
there may be regional bias in this attitude. In Texas, almost all
windows installed since the 80's consist of two large panes of glass,
one fixed at the top and the other which slides from bottom to top. A
gasket holds it in place. Anyone who has worked anywhere near the
construction industry, or has ever had a window replaced, has seen how
easy it is to get the glass out without breaking it or opening the
window. Without interior motions activated, you don't have full
coverage, IMHO.
High traffic areas are usually left disarmed while staying home.
What if the perimeter is defeated? I leave some motions, such as
master bedroom, programed home/away mode, but I try to have at least
one high traffic motion to back up what ever perimeter zones are
covered. Without interior motion detection on at night, you could have
all openings contacted and a dozen glass breaks installed, and the
system good be beaten. And, with no interior protection, they could be
there for as long as they wanted. The last thing I want one of my
customers to do is suprise an intruder whose been camped out in their
house for an hour waiting for her to come home.

Bossman
 
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Doug Dyer

I can understand that most people in this industry want to bone up on
"after the break-in" stuff like the exterior strobe lights, but
honestly, if the phone call and the loud siren don't do it...

I want PREVENTION, and am willing to pay for it. I want things that
reduce the chances that I would ever need forty flashing red flood
lights and external sirens. Lets talk about what REALLY matters:

1) Fire/safety monitoring (extremely important, and overlooked by
most)
2) Stickers and yard sign
3) Lamps that turn on and off when homeowner is away to give the
appearance that he/she is at home)
4) Mail & newspaper pickup
5) Forwarding my phone calls (again, appearance that Im home).

You installer guys have the capability of providing 1, 2, and maybe 4
and 5. Most of you can build a system that does 3 via X-10 (and
unfortuantely, the ADEMCO panels are a simple software patch away from
being able to do lights as I described but I doubt they will bother).

Those 1-5 should be the first on any security checklist. Trying to
defeat a determined burglar with strategic motion detectors and glass
breaks is (imho) hard core stuff. My neighborhood has never had a
breakin (ever) with a house that had a security system (monitored or
not).
 
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Bossman

I can understand that most people in this industry want to bone up on
"after the break-in" stuff like the exterior strobe lights, but
honestly, if the phone call and the loud siren don't do it...

I want PREVENTION, and am willing to pay for it. I want things that
reduce the chances that I would ever need forty flashing red flood
lights and external sirens. Lets talk about what REALLY matters:

1) Fire/safety monitoring (extremely important, and overlooked by
most)
2) Stickers and yard sign
3) Lamps that turn on and off when homeowner is away to give the
appearance that he/she is at home)
4) Mail & newspaper pickup
5) Forwarding my phone calls (again, appearance that Im home).

You installer guys have the capability of providing 1, 2, and maybe 4
and 5. Most of you can build a system that does 3 via X-10 (and
unfortuantely, the ADEMCO panels are a simple software patch away from
being able to do lights as I described but I doubt they will bother).

Those 1-5 should be the first on any security checklist. Trying to
defeat a determined burglar with strategic motion detectors and glass
breaks is (imho) hard core stuff. My neighborhood has never had a
breakin (ever) with a house that had a security system (monitored or
not).

I agree that prevention is best, but as I stated, this thread
concerned only the devices and services associated with the alarm
system. However...

1) Your number one does very little in terms of prevention. Without
#2, which I agree is very important, the burglar rarely knows you have
#1. While I don't consider it preventative, your #1 is my #2; #2
because but you can't have reporting and monitoring without at least
one device.

2) Standard with every alarm.

3) Easy to do with either stand-alone timers or X-10. Many alarm
systems are capable of supporting X-10.

4) Great when you're on vacation, but what about the rest of the year.

5) Many people do this, however, I would guess that this reduces
break-in less than a few %, at best.

Another inexpensive item that I think will prevent many break-ins is a
flood light(s) activated by a motion sensor. These devices start at
less than $20, come in many, many styles, and take a DIYer about 5 -
10 minutes to install.

Not a slam or a flame Doug, but except for you #1, what good are the
others if your home is in fact broken into? Your #2-#5 do nothing, and
your #1 might not help much if you haven't included interior
protection. Prevention is good, but you need layers. Deterents,
preventions, detection (perimeter and interior), monitoring, reporting
and response. All are important.

I do enjoy the discussion. You're certainly doing the right thing by
seeking other opinions and being deligent about your families safety.

Bossman
 
J

J. Stevens

Doug
You have a point about fire and other life safety stuff. Most are not
willing to pay for the things that are really necessary, though some see the
value. Strobe lights are neat if they're wired to alarm memory to alert you
to a system activation before you enter the house. DSC does X-10 pretty
well with their Escort module, I have several homes set up with the lived-in
lighting look. For just a few dollars a month delayed call forwarding will
automatically forward your calls after a specified number of rings. The
mail and paper thing is a no brainer. Finally, "defeating a determined
burglar" is not our business. Detecting him is though, and the contacts,
glassbreaks, and motion detectors mentioned go a long way to doing that.
js
 
B

Bossman

You think you can stop a pro if he want's to get in bad enough? You
can stop a smash-and-grab?

That's just my point. I can't. Neither of us can. But when he does, I
want to maximize my chances of catching him quickly and keeping his
stay-time to a minimum. I'm not that concerned about smash and grab;
I'd hate it, but it won't ruin my world. But I have children...I want
to know that if someone breaks in at night they're not going to be
able to snoop around my house while I'm sleeping and take one of my
kids out the window with them. That's happened around here, more than
once. I also want to know that if someone does break in while I'm on
vacation, it will be nothing more than a smash and grab, lest he be
there when the authorities arrive.
The best luck myself and my friends and family have is to look as
uninviting as possible to the prospective burglar. Perimeter contacts
(such as doors) and one or two motions and as far as Im concerned Ill
know if someone got in the house. If you differ in opionion, thats
the newsgroups for you ;)
I don't think our respective views onthis are that far apart. I just
like to consider all alternatives and get the best bang for the buck,
just like most of my customers.
Well, you DID ask for a discussion!

Yes, and I enjoy it! After all, I don't come here to get into a
p!$$!&g contest, and I do like this type of exchange much better than
the sarcastic one liners seen around here from time to time.

Bossman
 
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Mike Dupre

The priorities in security should be to prevent, detect, alert, and deter,
in that order.

What's the difference between prevent and deter? detect and alert?

I've always like double D's, deter or detect


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F

Frank Olson

I like the sound of "Detect and Disintegrate"... How about a 2.0 Giga-joule
lazer as an "add on" to your alarm system?? The perp's ashes makes good
fertilizer for your rose bushes... :)
 
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Mike Dupre

I really didn't intend to put you to all that work; just wanted to do the
double D joke but I do appreciate the response, interesteing read and much
more comprehensive than mine :)
 
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Nathaniel Lind \(New\)

Ignore this. I read the post later from AlarmReview. Even though we have a
rather cute sticker (which would be just as ineffective) that my sister got
when she worked at a Christian book store that says WARBING This Property
protected by Jesus Christ.
 
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Nathaniel Lind \(New\)

most burglars regard them the same as "Trespassers will be shot" signs.
That reminds me of a sign on one of the loading screens for GTA: Vice City
for PS2. It says
NO TRESSPASING!
VIOLATORS WILL BE SHOT.
SURVIVORS WILL BE SHOT AGAIN.
 
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Frank Olson

Best one I saw was a sign in rural Alberta...

"Warning! This property patrolled 24 hours by a pit-bull with AIDS."
 
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RH.Campbell

Whew !! If I knew they cost that much, I'd have found cheaper tomato
stakes....:))))

RHC
 
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