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Robert

John Larkin said:
OOPs, very appropriate.

Yeah, maybe I could do that, then cut/paste the graphics. What a pain.

If I turn off the bullets in the features list of the damaged doc (it
lets me do that!) and cut/paste the text list into another document,
the bullet problem still follows the list! How did they manage that?

John

Because you're copying more than the "text" with the cut and paste
operation?

Try pasting the text into Notepad. Delete any weird characters that show up
then cut and paste that text back into Word.

Robert
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Exactly. A $150 upgrade of Office every year or two, forever. I'm so
po'd at the bugs, I fork up the cash. And they load a new set of bugs
to make sure the cycle continues.

You can actually pay Microsoft to attend seminars on how to write
robust code.

John

I read somewhere that Windows recovery code (all stuff it does while
it's booting up, and subsequent boot attempts if it fails to start) is
really top-notch, since they have so many disasters to test recovery
from. 2000 really isn't that bad-- good thing they've come up with
stuff that won't run under 2K so they can keep the revenue coming in.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Because you're copying more than the "text" with the cut and paste
operation?

Try pasting the text into Notepad. Delete any weird characters that show up
then cut and paste that text back into Word.

Robert

Or Ultraedit. I have a cute little clipboard utility on my office
computer (can't recall the name atm) that lets you select whether you
want to paste plain or with the other junk in there (as well as giving
you a stack of items and letting you view them).. Copying from web
pages (something I have to do fairly regularly to grab names and
addresses) does not always seem to be consistent. It would be nice if
they'd dedicated another hotkey to make the distinction clear.

Wordperfect had it right AFAIC with their 'view codes' command. Easy
to see all those hidden format commands in one swell foop.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Joerg

Hello John,
Exactly. A $150 upgrade of Office every year or two, forever. I'm so
po'd at the bugs, I fork up the cash. And they load a new set of bugs
to make sure the cycle continues.

You can actually pay Microsoft to attend seminars on how to write
robust code.

As others have said before try Open Office. I just did. The word
processor is quite bloated and I can't say much about its behavior yet.
But I prepared a presentation using its "Impress" part, kind of like
Power Point. This was much more stable than Power Point, didn't crash once.

One reason why I currently stick with Word is the preview feature before
opening a file. Very handy. However, I have learned the hard way by
experiences just like yours to write documents very plainly and only at
the end do the "fancifying". Then it'll crash a lot but at least I have
the core text saved. I do this last bit of work in a file that is
temporarily saved as "temp.doc". When that gets corrupted, oh well. Only
when completely done will it be saved via my file numbering system.

BTW I finished a project and thus a document for a client an hour ago.
Just as I inserted a schematic things became like molasses and a gray
box popped up "Word has generated errors and will be....". Oh man.
Luckily it took out just that temp file. Lost about 5 minutes of work.

Regards, Joerg
 
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Keith

My XP isn't too bad. Mandatory reboots are at least a week apart
(unlike 98, daily at best) and boot time is 40 seconds (unlike 2K,
which runs to many minutes.) As garbage goes, it's usable.

My old laptop (ThinkPad A21p) with Win2K crashed maybe five times in as
many years. ITs replacement (ThinkPad T42p crashes pretty much once a
week, despite being five years newer and having 4x the memory.
XP does run a mighty fine DOS box.

Come on! It sucks. My DOSish calculators usually are "out of resources".
That *NEVER* happened under Win2K. XP sucks, though I guess I have to
live with it (and will be buying a personal laptop with it this week, gack).

Win2K has been the *ONLY* version of Windows that could remotely be
referred to as being "stable".
 
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Jeff L

Keith said:
My old laptop (ThinkPad A21p) with Win2K crashed maybe five times in as
many years.

I have a Thinkpad A22P running win 2K - essentially the same model with a 1
GHz PIII CPU - and I don't want to upgrade to a new model it as it works
fine. Very Stable. The only time it crashes is when I do something stupid,
run known very buggy software, or fill the Virtual Memory and RAM so full it
crashes. I think I may spend a few $ on it soon and slap a larger HD, some
more RAM and replace the battery cells with 2400 mAh ones - that should keep
me going for several more years. The 1600 - 1200 screens on those models are
great, but getting slow by today's standards.


ITs replacement (ThinkPad T42p crashes pretty much once a
week, despite being five years newer and having 4x the memory.

Come on! It sucks. My DOSish calculators usually are "out of resources".
That *NEVER* happened under Win2K. XP sucks, though I guess I have to
live with it (and will be buying a personal laptop with it this week, gack).

Win2K has been the *ONLY* version of Windows that could remotely be
referred to as being "stable".

Totally agreed. I will only run it now. If you have an XP license, you are
allowed to run win 2K instead, as apparently noted in the EULA. I'm soon
going to try out eComStation - looks promising, at least for 90% of the
programs I run.
 
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John Larkin

No it doesn't. It has a bug in how it does the environment variables.
They don't allocate any room for new ones and you can't use a:

command /e:10000 /csome.bat

to get around the bug.


All my old DOS stuff seems to work... my inventory control/parts list
system (now networked to the server), assemblers, APEEL, the DOS
PowerBasic environment and compiler, and my various compiled DOS apps,
graphics and all. And it still runs my favorite PC program of all
time, Tim Stouse's File Manager.

John
 
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John Larkin

I often write in bare naked HTML.

It works.

Tim

I work mostly with EDIT.COM, actually a nice little text editor. But
this is an official "proposed product" datasheet, to be circulated to
prospective customers for comment, so it has to look sorta glitzy. Of
course, we'll convert it send it to them as a pdf, since some
customers won't allow Word files over email at all, and my best
customer is all Linux and gets annoyed and makes rude comments about
us if we send them .docs.

I guess I could learn Pagemaker. Even Open Office is still the Word
paradigm, which is crap. I mean, if I want to move text, why can't I
just draw a box around and drag it, like 99% of the programs in the
world allow?

John
 
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Keith

I have a Thinkpad A22P running win 2K - essentially the same model with a 1
GHz PIII CPU - and I don't want to upgrade to a new model it as it works
fine. Very Stable. The only time it crashes is when I do something stupid,
run known very buggy software, or fill the Virtual Memory and RAM so full it
crashes. I think I may spend a few $ on it soon and slap a larger HD, some
more RAM and replace the battery cells with 2400 mAh ones - that should keep
me going for several more years. The 1600 - 1200 screens on those models are
great, but getting slow by today's standards.

Mine was taken away from me, but not before I could hold out for another
reasonable model (gave up 1600x1200/512MB/850MHz for
1440x1050/2GB/1.76GHz).
Totally agreed. I will only run it now. If you have an XP license, you
are allowed to run win 2K instead, as apparently noted in the EULA.

I don't think I am on that system (corporate image), though this is good
to know since I'm planning on buying a personal laptop this week. Is
there a good place to find a Win2K image? The only place I find that XP
is superrior is in the graphics (dual-head without a seperate graphics
card).
 
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Carl Smith

The application I have in mind would be very short range. Grrrrr.

Looking to make your bullet points look like bullet holes? :)

Turns out the only way I could get rid of the square bullets/lockup
mess was to export the doc as a text file, open a new blank document,
and cut my text using Notepad and then paste into the new Word doc.
Any other way carries the damage into the new document. Hell, it would
be easier to just retype it all, like in the days of typewriters and
carbon paper.

Maybe you could print it, then scan and OCR it. :)
 
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Spehro Pefhany

I guess I could learn Pagemaker. Even Open Office is still the Word
paradigm, which is crap. I mean, if I want to move text, why can't I
just draw a box around and drag it, like 99% of the programs in the
world allow?
John

Consider Adobe Indesign (a bit pricey but available in bundled
versions with other heavyweight Adobe stuff). It's truly the feline
hindquarters. Considering the capabilities, relatively easy to use,
compared to competitors such as Quirk Xpress.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Simon Scott

John said:
I was typing a datasheet in Word, and it decided at some point to
change all my "features" bullets from OK round things to ugly square
things. And it now refuses to change them back. And now this 2-page
document likes to lock up and freeze Word now and then.

To Microsoft, Bill Gates, and the entire Word team: you code crap.

John

Try Openoffice.org (otherwise known as OOo).

It craps all over office. And its free. Yes.
 
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Ted Edwards

Jeff said:
Totally agreed. I will only run it now. If you have an XP license, you are
allowed to run win 2K instead, as apparently noted in the EULA. I'm soon
going to try out eComStation - looks promising, at least for 90% of the
programs I run.

I'm running eCS 1.2 annd will go to 2.0 soon when it goes GA. I ran
OS/2 warp 4 from '97 until early last year when I went to eCS. My
machine is a ThinkPad T23.

I am very happy with eCS. I have several oldie but goodie DOS apps
which run better on this system than they ever ran under DOS. I have
kept but shrunk the W2K that came with the machine and still have about
four apps that I haven't replaced with native eCS-OS/2 apps mainly
because of laziness. The next project in that line will be to see if I
can get Garmin MapSource to run under Odin or Svista.

Ted
 
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Ted Edwards

Spehro said:
Wordperfect had it right AFAIC with their 'view codes' command. Easy
to see all those hidden format commands in one swell foop.

I don't use Word but when I run into weird character problems I cut and
paste into the APL2 editor. Everything is a byte and all 256 are
available. It's a one-liner to toss everything that isn't on a list of
"acceptable" characters.

Ted
 
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Ted Edwards

John said:
I guess I could learn Pagemaker. Even Open Office is still the Word
paradigm, which is crap. I mean, if I want to move text, why can't I
just draw a box around and drag it, like 99% of the programs in the
world allow?

Something I've found handy: I have set up a second "printer". It's a
top-of-the-line PostScript printer that I don't have but I've set it up
to print to file. I can print from pretty much anywhere to this printer
then convert to .PDF with Ghost Script.

Ted
 
xray said:
"square bullets"

No need for rifling grooves but they can't be very aerodynamic.

That's what I was thinking as I opened the message.

Me too. There was an episode on MythBusters (Science Channel / On
Demand) where they made a penny shooter - a modified "silencer"
attached to a rifle. They put the penny in the modified "silencer",
and put a "blank" in the rifle to propel the penny to, oh, Mach 2 or
something.

They wanted to see if you threw a penny of the Empire State, how much
damage it would do...
 
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Ken Smith

All my old DOS stuff seems to work... my inventory control/parts list
system (now networked to the server), assemblers, APEEL, the DOS
PowerBasic environment and compiler, and my various compiled DOS apps,
graphics and all. And it still runs my favorite PC program of all
time, Tim Stouse's File Manager.

You aren't using environment variables in batch files for any of those.
I've written some very large batch files that do some quite complex stuff.
 
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YD

All my old DOS stuff seems to work... my inventory control/parts list
system (now networked to the server), assemblers, APEEL, the DOS
PowerBasic environment and compiler, and my various compiled DOS apps,
graphics and all. And it still runs my favorite PC program of all
time, Tim Stouse's File Manager.

John

Turbo C 2.01 and Turbo Pascal 6 run fine under both 2k and XP, even in
graphics mode.

- YD.
 
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