Spirit lands on Mars!

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

Something definitely needs to be done about the professional management
types. There was a time when management personnel were expert in most
facets of the operations of the organizations they managed, and that was
because they started out as workers in these operations. Somewhere along
the way, some pseudo-intellectuals contrived the idea that this
background was not necessary, and that all management function can be
distilled into a few guiding principles that can be applied to any type
of organization. This ideology has proven to be a horrific
F-A-I-L-U-R-E!- life is just not that simple and never will be. Like it
or not, it is NOT possible to manufacture that kind of leadership, it
can be groomed and tutored, but it CANNOT be made. The situation in the
US is extremely bad, and the national treasury will have to be in the
hole by about several Tera- billion $ before anyone wakes up.

Google for 'The Dilbert Principle' by Scott Adams.

To sum it up, the Peter Principle (now out of favor) moved the most
talented worker into management. The Dilbert Principle states that we
can't afford to take talented people out of the shop or the engineering
department. We need them to do work. What you do is to take the person
who breaks the most stuff in the shop and get them out of there by
promoting them.

 

[Active8]

Google for 'The Dilbert Principle' by Scott Adams.

To sum it up, the Peter Principle (now out of favor) moved the most
talented worker into management.

That's not the way it was defined to me.

The Dilbert Principle states that we
can't afford to take talented people out of the shop or the engineering
department. We need them to do work. What you do is to take the person
who breaks the most stuff in the shop and get them out of there by
promoting them.

That's the Peter Principal. Achieving such a high level of
incopetence that you're ready for management.

 

[Active8]

That's not the way it was defined to me.


That's the Peter Principal. Achieving such a high level of
incopetence that you're ready for management.

Actually, that's the way it sounded, but was worded more like:

"employees rise to the level of their incompetency", from Wikipedia.
The guy I talked to somehow slipped the "promotion to management"
part in there. So there's a failure to communicate bi-lingually. The
guy was an ex friggin' plant manager and then CEO.

I figure that "employees rise to the level of their incompetency" is
an absolute value function, i.e., if rising to the management level
is positive/increasing and the "level of incompetency" rises as one
becomes more incompetent, then even though incompetency is a
negative thing, the "level of incompetency" is a positive number.

Increase in incompetency -> increase in position.

This from Wikipedia:

"The Dilbert Principle is a variation of the Peter Principle. In the
Peter Principle, employees rise to the level of their incompetency,
whether that be in management or elsewhere (that is, they are
promoted as long as they do their job well, until they have a job
they don't do well). In the Dilbert Principle "the most ineffective
workers are systematically moved to the place where they can do the
least damage: management"."

Which is the way you defined it, Paul.

F*ck words. There's too many of them.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:31:43 -0800, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
[snip]

The Dilbert Principle states that we
can't afford to take talented people out of the shop or the engineering
department. We need them to do work. What you do is to take the person
who breaks the most stuff in the shop and get them out of there by
promoting them.

That's the Peter Principal. Achieving such a high level of
incopetence that you're ready for management.

AKA: Shit floats to the top ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson

AKA: Shit floats to the top ;-)

Yes, but so does cream. The problem is telling one from t'other.

 

[Jim Thompson]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson


Yes, but so does cream. The problem is telling one from t'other.

I don't have any trouble discerning the difference ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[Active8]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson


Yes, but so does cream. The problem is telling one from t'other.

Here, the problem is finding some one who knows it's the "cream off
the top", not the "cream of the crop." Even in PA, an ag state, the
idiots never stop to wonder what kind of crop yields cream. They
must plant their cows in the ground.

 

[Active8]

I don't have any trouble discerning the difference ;-)

The former leaves a brown moustache, eh?

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson

I don't have any trouble discerning the difference ;-)

No, but CEOs seem to!

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Active8 <[email protected]>

Even in PA, an ag state, the idiots
never stop to wonder what kind of crop yields cream.

I thought it was soya. (;-)

 

[Rich Grise]

The former leaves a brown moustache, eh?

Nah. That's from lookin' fer love in all the wrong places. ;-)

 

[Active8]

Nah. That's from lookin' fer love in all the wrong places. ;-)

That's a "brown nose" and the other act is "getting a little 'brown
eye'".

 

[Active8]

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:46:52 -0500, Active8 wrote:


Nah. That's from lookin' fer love in all the wrong places. ;-)

I almost forgot. This guy used to go to the dentist once a week to
have his teeth cleaned and every time, he had lots of hair stuck
between his teeth. This went on for weeks until the dentist couldn't
help but ask, "Every week you come in for a cleaning and you always
have hair between your teeth. What's up with that?"

"Well," replied the man, "my girlfriend likes to be kissed on the
armpits and she doesn't shave."

"Oh." retorted the dentist, "Then how do you explain the shit on
your necktie?"

 

[Rich Grise]

That's a "brown nose" and the other act is "getting a little 'brown
eye'".

"She bent down, turned around, give me a wink,
Said I'm gonna mix it up right here in the sink,
It smelled like turpentine and looked like India ink,
I held my nose, I closed my eyes, I took a drink.

"I didn't know if it was day or night,
I started kissin' everything in sight,
But when I kissed the cop down on 34th & Vine,
He broke my little bottle of, Love Potion Number Nine."

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:31:43 -0800, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
[snip]

The Dilbert Principle states that we
can't afford to take talented people out of the shop or the engineering
department. We need them to do work. What you do is to take the person
who breaks the most stuff in the shop and get them out of there by
promoting them.

That's the Peter Principal. Achieving such a high level of
incopetence that you're ready for management.

AKA: Shit floats to the top ;-)

Heads roll uphill.

 

[Pat Ford]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:31:43 -0800, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
[snip]

The Dilbert Principle states that we
can't afford to take talented people out of the shop or the engineering
department. We need them to do work. What you do is to take the person
who breaks the most stuff in the shop and get them out of there by
promoting them.

That's the Peter Principal. Achieving such a high level of
incopetence that you're ready for management.

AKA: Shit floats to the top ;-)

Heads roll uphill.

I call that the pond theory.
Look in a pond, %90 of the activity takes place at the bottom, now look up
there float in the sunlight is the scum!
Pat